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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 6, 2017 11:22:14 GMT -6
I have not seen anyone on this forum state that the tribulation began on Sept 23. David again puts his palm to his forehead... are you kidding  ? But if you do, what count down are you applying from 9/23. Lets have a look at it. Hah! From my experience, forehead dents are an occupational hazard for those interested in prophecy. David, I can't speak for moderators, or for Unsealed officially. I am a lowly member espousing an idea from Scripture. Here is my idea expressed in the article downloadable to members on the first post on this thread. 1) I believe the resurrection of Jesus was not only an amazing miracle that fulfilled the divine appointment of First Fruits, but it was also a GREAT RESURRECTION SIGN from which you count. (I know this because God counted after in Acts 2) 2) The count to be applied was in the description of God's divine appointments in Leviticus 23:15 & 16 for what you do to count from First Fruits to Pentecost. This count is 7 Sabbaths and one more day to day fifty. The count again was 7 full weeks or 49 days but the count in Acts 2 ended on the "morrow after" thus day fifty from the GREAT RESURRECTION SIGN of Christ's resurrection. 3) Summary, that count started after the RESURRECTION SIGN of Jesus' Resurrection and ended fifty days later. 4) That was the day that Pentecost started and the church is NOT YET COMPLETE IN ITS MEMBERSHIP. It has an end date and I think the count takes us there. 5) I believe, and just me, as I have not found moderators here who believe this entirely yet, BUT I believe the sign of 9/23/2017 spoke of the resurrection of the man-child, the church. It was THE SECOND GREAT RESURRECTION SIGN OF 9/23/2017 and for the second time in history, after a great resurrection sign you begin to count, BUT, you need to know what you are counting for. You are not counting to BEGIN the church, that happened in Acts 2, you are counting to COMPLETE THE CHURCH so I am suggesting that God will use the COMPLETE count: 7 Sabbaths, day after, a Sunday, day 1, begin your next count to fifty) 6) The count to be applied is still in Leviticus 23:15 & 16 because we are STILL talking about Pentecost and we are still talking about Pentecost because we are still in the Pentecost season. This count is 7 Sabbaths (which was 7 full weeks or 49 days and this time the count does not end the next day, on day fifty, rather on day fifty you being another count to fifty, a double count of fifty, a double portion if you will, and the reason for this is that the Church was created in Acts 2 after 7 sabbaths and 1 day, but the Revelation 12 sign is not speaking of the BEGINNING of the church, you have to COMPLETE the church season. Fifty speaks of completion. God will complete the Pentecost season, and thus the second count to fifty starts on the day the first count ends and you reach the end of the second count to fifty on day 99 from the GREAT RESURRECTION SIGN OF 9/23/2017 which is December 31, 2017. 7) What happens after the double blessing of two counts of fifty (connected)? We reach 99 days!!! Then what? End of Pentecost! Rapture of Church. Revelation 12:5! As we go up Satan is warring and eventually coming down and Rev 12:3,4 will be made manifest there. It is the end of Pentecost because the things that happened at the beginning of Pentecost (the first fifty) are doubled by the second count of fifty! What things? Ohh...being gathered by our Lord, being gathered to an upper room, the throne room, being joyous, being in one accord and no more arguments about the rapture, being able to communicate with everyone, being lit up by an incorruptible body and shiny linen, and being from every nation on earth, you know, those kinds of blessings at the end of the double fifty (connected). I believe that the tribulation is not for the Church because the closest we EVER GET to Satan, is as we wave bye bye on our upward journey to the throne room as he passes us by being thrown down to earth. Yes, David, this could be wrong. But in my article I give nearly 20 confirming reasons FROM SCRIPTURE for these points. Even pre-trib people who believe in a Feast of Pentecost rapture disagree with this idea because it completely refutes a Feast of Pentecost rapture. So David, when you come to unsealed inquiring if it is ok to look at a time line that does not involve a pre-trib rapture you are entirely in your rights to do it, and may I say, you are wise to do it here, because when you put your ideas out people in whom the Holy Spirit of God resides will consider your ideas with the rest of Scripture. That is what you want, right? Blessings to you David. That summary above was probably good for some who needed a short refresher on what in the world I was talking about with all the fifties. I thought the count would end on November 12, which was day fifty. I said to God on that day, "OK, God, we are here at the end of the count so where are you?" God said to me, "You just got to the count to where I was in Acts 2, when I got the Church started, now you need to complete the Church. Look at Leviticus and start here as Day 1 and keep counting to Day fifty." I said, "Really?!" He said, "Go look at Leviticus 23:15 & 16 again. I want to give you a double blessing." I said, "OK." then I asked, "Do I have to tell other people about this?" God said, "Does a bear...kill kids when they make fun of a balding prophet before he is raptured?" I said, "Yes!" and God said, "Try Unsealed!" It was all kind of like that. Saints, sometime today I am working on a summary of the fifty idea. Why is fifty used so much by God? 138 times in Scripture. There is much in Scripture which we can learn from that and apparently, it is very important to God. My next post will absolutely bless your socks off about this, and I know because I am, so...go put some socks on. However, I have to work today and I will not be on here till I get tasks done. I do this work because it is expected of me and I don't want to be raptured and have people ticked because I did not complete what I was hired to do. However, AC will be leading people in blaspheming not only God but "heaven dwellers" and that is us. We will both be gone and hated. So difficult for the tribulation saints who become believers after. People will want to destroy any who identify with the "departed Church." Blessings Saints. SWRAS! |
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 6, 2017 11:32:10 GMT -6
Blessings in the name of the most high God, Yeshua Ha'Mashiach I just wanted to say, as Gentile believers we are not called to count, but called to "WATCH". Is there anything wrong with counting? I don't believe so, but to try and persuade others into what you believe the Holy Spirit may be showing you is not very fruitful. I find day counts very interesting but the Lord has never put it on my heart to share this with anyone else. I am, and always have been content with knowing that His timing is perfect and yes I do believe that His return for the church is close at hand. I mean no offense to anyone in this thread. I just think we should all be content with knowing that He is coming, it is close and that His timing is perfect. Therefore we should be watching and longing for His return. Blessings to all my brothers and sisters here at Unsealed! Blessings Rick. No offense taken. So looking at Scripture is not fruitful. If people are being persuaded on Unsealed IT IS ONLY BECAUSE LOOKING AT SCRIPTURE IS FRUITFUL. OK I get it. Rick, you don't have to count. It is funny, the Leviticus 23:15 & 16 indicates to me when looking for the end of the season of Pentecost, it is a COMMAND to count. Not a suggestion. Will every Christian count. No. Will any Christian count? Well I am and a couple more so far. More than being a gentile, you are a member of His Church. Pentecost is applicable to you because without it you would not be saying "blessings." So I disagree Rick. However, as we get closer to the end of the year, as things ramp up in world insecurity, if we are still here, I predict you will have comfort saying, "Well there was this guy on unsealed that I had to chastise because he was counting and not just being content, but the multiple Scriptural confirmations that he presented, and man there were a lot of them, did show some possibility that December 31 could be it. I hope he is right, let's see how many days till December 31? Hah! At that point Rick, try not to count. But, I appreciate your thought though because at least you did not say, THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE! As we get closer to December 31 you might just want to come back here and actually read the article. Blessings. |
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Post by Natalie on Dec 6, 2017 11:39:59 GMT -6
But it's not a command for Christians to count towards the Rapture. It's a command for the Jews to count in order to present an offering to the Lord.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Dec 6, 2017 11:48:33 GMT -6
dennislwatson you mention this; "Every group of 7 in Scripture is built like a menorah" This is the kind of "fun stuff" that gets discussed here in this forum and I am so glad we all got past the initial barriers that arose when you were first posting. So with that here is my question: EVERY group of 7? How many are there? And I do see where you are giving credit to others for bringing in this characteristic. But, in live time here, let me look at the 7 days of Creation then...Starting in verse 3 of Genesis 1. Since, it says there this: 3Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. 5God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.
Day Two:he is separating the waters: 6Then God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” 7God made the expanse, and separated the waters which were below the expanse from the waters which were above the expanse; and it was so. 8God called the expanse heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day. Day 3: God did a bunch of stuff on Day 3: made dry land, made the seas, and then all the vegetation.. 9Then God said, “Let the waters below the heavens be gathered into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. 10God called the dry land earth, and the gathering of the waters He called seas; and God saw that it was good. 11Then God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit after their kind with seed in them”; and it was so. 12The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good. 13There was evening and there was morning, a third day. Even though he had made the heaven on the second day, it is the 4th day (which would be the center of a Menorah, correct?) On the 4th day we get the lights that seperate the day from night and which will be used for signs, and seasons... 14Then God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years; 15and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. 16God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also. 17God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good. 19There was evening and there was morning, a fourth day. Sidenote: I dont know how many times I have read Gen 1, but for some reason it the first time I am noticing that the vegetation was made BEFORE the lights that govern the day (sun). No way can there be a long period of time between day 3 and 4 because the plant make food by photosynthesis...
Day 5: He created the creatures of the seas and the creatures of the air.. Day 6: there is a really big amount of creation going on here: The animals of the land are created, and then man in His Image. and He gives instruction to Man in regards to eating food from every tree, and that the beasts eat green plant for food. 24Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind”; and it was so. 25God made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind, and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind; and God saw that it was good. 26Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28God blessed them; and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” 29Then God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; 30and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to every thing that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food”; and it was so. 31God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day. Now we come to day 7: the day of Rest. God rests from all his work. 1Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made. So if Day 4 is the center of the Menorah, what can we glean from these 7 Days of Creation? I might have to get the staff to move this to a new thread, but for now, here we are...
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 6, 2017 11:49:15 GMT -6
But it's not a command for Christians to count towards the Rapture. It's a command for the Jews to count in order to present an offering to the Lord. 15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: 16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the Lord. I disagree on your assessment that the feasts of the Lord are only for the Jews. THEY ARE NOT FEASTS OF THE JEWS!!!! You are enjoying the fact that on PASSOVER Jesus died for your sins. How could that be you are a Gentile? You are enjoying the fact that on UNLEAVENED BREAD, the body of Jesus was dead and put in a tomb so that you in your churches as you celebrate communion can enjoy that fellowship. How could that be you are a Gentile? You are enjoying the fact that your Lord, on First Fruits, rose again giving you a promise of an incorruptible body. How could that be you are a Gentile? You are enjoying the fact that on the initializing of Pentecost, the Holy Spirit indwelt all who called on the name of the Lord. How could that be you are a Gentile? You will enjoy the rapture. And you would enjoy it more if you would stop being so resistant to Scripture. I would not have expected that comment from you Natalie. Disappointing. You also do not need to count. I think there are blessings for those who will. Blessings Saints. Soon we rise and shine. Done for today. I will post my promised 50 post tomorrow. |
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Post by Natalie on Dec 6, 2017 11:55:58 GMT -6
Where in my above comment did I say that the Feasts were only for the Jews? I simply said that those verses in Lev were a count to a day to bring an offering.
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Post by Rick on Dec 6, 2017 12:06:22 GMT -6
Blessings in the name of the most high God, Yeshua Ha'Mashiach I just wanted to say, as Gentile believers we are not called to count, but called to "WATCH". Is there anything wrong with counting? I don't believe so, but to try and persuade others into what you believe the Holy Spirit may be showing you is not very fruitful. I find day counts very interesting but the Lord has never put it on my heart to share this with anyone else. I am, and always have been content with knowing that His timing is perfect and yes I do believe that His return for the church is close at hand. I mean no offense to anyone in this thread. I just think we should all be content with knowing that He is coming, it is close and that His timing is perfect. Therefore we should be watching and longing for His return. Blessings to all my brothers and sisters here at Unsealed! Blessings Rick. No offense taken. So looking at Scripture is not fruitful. If people are being persuaded on Unsealed IT IS ONLY BECAUSE LOOKING AT SCRIPTURE IS FRUITFUL. OK I get it. Rick, you don't have to count. It is funny, the Leviticus 23:15 & 16 indicates to me when looking for the end of the season of Pentecost, it is a COMMAND to count. Not a suggestion. Will every Christian count. No. Will any Christian count? Well I am and a couple more so far. More than being a gentile, you are a member of His Church. Pentecost is applicable to you because without it you would not be saying "blessings." So I disagree Rick. However, as we get closer to the end of the year, as things ramp up in world insecurity, if we are still here, I predict you will have comfort saying, "Well there was this guy on unsealed that I had to chastise because he was counting and not just being content, but the multiple Scriptural confirmations that he presented, and man there were a lot of them, did show some possibility that December 31 could be it. I hope he is right, let's see how many days till December 31? Hah! At that point Rick, try not to count. But, I appreciate your thought though because at least you did not say, THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE! As we get closer to December 31 you might just want to come back here and actually read the article. Blessings.
Hello brother dennislwatson, I can feel your passion and it would seem as though I may have upset you with my post and that was not my intention at all. I am not here to chastise anyone. However you did misquote me. I never said reading scripture was not fruitful. I said "try and persuade others into what you believe the Holy Spirit may be showing you is not very fruitful". y You also say "it is a COMMAND to count" but I have to disagree with you. This command was given to the Israelite's and not to us as Gentiles. There is nothing wrong with counting, esspecially as applied to His return and our watching for Him. I also never meant to imply or did I say that "THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE!" He could return within the next few minutes. Will He return on the 31? He certainly could. All I can say with certainty is that He will return and on that day will all honor and glory be given to Him. With all love and humility your brother in Christ, Rick 2Ti 2:15 |
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Post by BrazenLaver on Dec 6, 2017 13:16:01 GMT -6
Dennis I have read your piece that you have emailed your followers considering your second count of Leviticus 23:15-16. And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the Lord. I find it very interesting in association with Pentecost. We should all know that the beginning of Pentecost was a prophetic fulfillment of Joel. Acts 2:16-21 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
The extra 50 days you have alluded too is also used by the "WLC" to arrive at the accurate "feast of weeks." www.worldslastchance.com/yahuwahs-calendar/pentecost-calculation-restoration.html"WLC" uses this passage to try to accurately pinpoint when Christ came on his first advent. Using the celestial event of Sept.23 2017 as a fulfillment of Revelation 12 as the beginning day of your count for the feast of weeks culmination I find speculative but interesting. You are attempting to accurately pinpoint his sudden appearing "Harpazo" for his Church. The most significant part I like about your timeline is this passage. Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Many of us are already aware of that the Christmas season if full of pagan rituals celebrating Saturnalia. I do believe that Christ came and is greater than any pagan celebration and he will be worshiped in Spirit and in truth. With all the hubbub with Christmas through New Years Eve I do welcome the coming of the Lord at any time and even on New Years Eve. This is a passage I do love to read during the Week of Christmas. Leviticus 23:40-44 And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the Lord your God seven days. And ye shall keep it a feast unto the Lord seven days in the year. It shall be a statute for ever in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month. Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths: That your generations may know that I made the children of Israel to dwell in booths, when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God. And Moses declared unto the children of Israel the feasts of the Lord. Merry Christmas and have Happy New Year |
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 6, 2017 13:29:41 GMT -6
Dennis I have read your piece that you have emailed your followers considering your second count of Leviticus 23:15-16. And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the Lord. I find it very interesting in association with Pentecost. We should all know that the beginning of Pentecost was a prophetic fulfillment of Joel. Acts 2:16-21 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. The extra 50 days you have alluded too is also used by the "WLC" to arrive at the accurate "feast of weeks." www.worldslastchance.com/yahuwahs-calendar/pentecost-calculation-restoration.html"WLC" uses this passage to try to accurately pinpoint when Christ came on his first advent. Using the celestial event of Sept.23 2017 as a fulfillment of Revelation 12 as the beginning day of your count for the feast of weeks culmination I find speculative but interesting. You are attempting to accurately pinpoint his sudden appearing "Harpazo" for his Church. The most significant part I like about your timeline is this passage. Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Many of us are already aware of that the Christmas season if full of pagan rituals celebrating Saturnalia. I do believe that Christ came and is greater than any pagan celebration and he will be worshiped in Spirit and in truth. With all the hubbub with Christmas through New Years Eve I do welcome the coming of the Lord at any time and even on New Years Eve. This is a passage I do love to read during the Week of Christmas. Leviticus 23:40-44 And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the Lord your God seven days. And ye shall keep it a feast unto the Lord seven days in the year. It shall be a statute for ever in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month. Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths: That your generations may know that I made the children of Israel to dwell in booths, when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God. And Moses declared unto the children of Israel the feasts of the Lord. Merry Christmas and have Happy New Year Now here is a COMMENTER. BrazenLaver THANK YOU!!! If this is what God is going to do at the end of the year, NO ONE WILL EVER HAVE A HAPPIER NEW YEAR! Here is the reason the comment made sense..."I have read your piece that you have emailed your followers considering your second count of Leviticus 23:15-16." I don't have followers. I am not suggesting that you do ANYTHING different. Just do more of what you are already doing, love more, witness more, keep the count in the back of your mind, or warn your loved ones about the nearness of His return. Blessings Saints. Thanks BrazenLaver (what a great name) SWRAS and I really wish I knew how to put pictures in a post. How do you do that. What picture has an URL? |
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 6, 2017 13:49:59 GMT -6
Where in my above comment did I say that the Feasts were only for the Jews? I simply said that those verses in Lev were a count to a day to bring an offering. OK. We are making headway. So you admit that the Feasts are for Christians too. This is great. So go with me here Natalie, I mean willingly. I think Scripture indicates, by the fact that at First Fruits, the High Priest lifted an ephah of barley in the air as part of that celebration. That bunch of barley stalks, lifted in the air, represented Jesus Christ being resurrected and ascending to the Father to present His blood an offering for sin. That is how Jesus fulfilled First Fruits and it started a count to Pentecost. Then, at Pentecost, the High Priest lifted two loaves of bread into the air representing I think, both Jews and Gentiles who when COMPLETE (loaves are many many grains having been made complete into loaves) are the Church and you, Natalie, are thus a part of the "new meat" which is part of that offering. You are called "New Meat" because you were just harvested. Once again, back to Pentecost and the harvest of Pentecost and that is what my entire thread is about. Yes, the instructions we're made for the Jews but the subject behind it all, mysteriously, IS ALL ABOUT THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH and we can learn from it even if we don't have two loaves of new meat to raise in the air. Blessings Natalie. You are the offering that is brought to God. You can count if you wish. You don't have to. Just a suggestion. |
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Post by BrazenLaver on Dec 6, 2017 13:53:16 GMT -6
Now here is a COMMENTER. BrazenLaver THANK YOU!!! If this is what God is going to do at the end of the year, NO ONE WILL EVER HAVE A HAPPIER NEW YEAR! Here is the reason the comment made sense..."I have read your piece that you have emailed your followers considering your second count of Leviticus 23:15-16." I don't have followers. I am not suggesting that you do ANYTHING different. Just do more of what you are already doing, love more, witness more, keep the count in the back of your mind, or warn your loved ones about the nearness of His return. Blessings Saints. Thanks BrazenLaver (what a great name) SWRAS and I really wish I knew how to put pictures in a post. How do you do that. What picture has an URL? lol, I am a follower. You've got a great website and do some really awesome work my brother! And I hope your right on New's Year! ![]() However no matter the day or hour this world is not ready of the coming of the Lord. You can insert images couple of ways in the edit file just paste and clip your image location file or you can code it with the site location. |
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Post by disciple4life on Dec 6, 2017 16:23:30 GMT -6
I have not seen anyone on this forum state that the tribulation began on Sept 23. Hello Witness1, and others. I said that exact same thing - there are hundreds of threads on here, and I haven't read them all, but from the many posts and threads I've read - I haven't seen a single person - moderator or member say that the Tribulation began on Sept 23.
I think I can explain some of the confusion - David, many people on here, and countless others thought and still do believe that the Sept 23 alignment matched what is described in Revelation 12
It was exceptionally rare because this year - Jupiter moved in retrograde motion for about 10 months /40 weeks, and this doesn't usually happen, and it happened to be two days before Feast of Trumpets.
This, combined with the fact that we had the Great American Eclipse that occurred on the 1st of Alul, and exactly 40 days before Day of Atonement - made Sept a very very high watch time, and many believed that this could be the rapture. Revelation 12 is one of only about 3 passages in the entire Bible where the original greek word Harpazo appears - so there was a lot of speculation, between the parallels of the alignment and Rev 12. A few people on You-Tube made some very strong claims stating it would be the rapture. As such - many people even here, - on this Forum, believe that scripture gives very clear and compelling evidence to support a Pre-Tribulation rapture. ***This is key, david/ others, because the majority of those who believe in a Pre-Tribulation rapture also believe that the rapture will be the catalyst - a trigger event if you will - that will start a chain of events - there could be a gap, maybe a few days or a month -- between the rapture and the start of the Tribulation - but we would be gone. There would we world-wide chaos and panic, as tens of millions of people are missing, and world leaders would need to corroborate their stories. Markets would crash across the world, and there would be rioting and looting on a massive scale. etc, etc. This could easily be a cause for WW III - and require the need for a world leader to emerge - someone who could promise peace. So - in other words, what ever people thought before or now about the Sept 23 sign - The Allignment did occur, and seems to fit Rev 12: verse 1 and 2. There was no Dragon, no rapture event, no harpazo - no nuclear attack, no WW III, No Magog War. It didn't mean what countless people thought it meant. *** With that said, it changes nothing about our God, or the Bible, or the fact that we just saw Major prophecy fulfilled last week with the alliance of Russia, Turkey and Iran, and now all the players of Ezek 38/39 are in place.
So many people were so convinced that this Sept alignment HAD to be the thing that signaled the rapture - they began making theories that the Hebrew calendar was "Off this Year" and then other theories emerged. My point is not to mock or criticize in any way those who think it was a fulfillment of Rev 12. ;-) - Just to say, that the only connection between Sept 23 alignment and the Tribulation was that it was thought that it could be the rapture - [It clearly wasn't] and that most Pre-Tribulation rapture people believe that the Tribulation begins shortly after the rapture. Discussion about whether there is some gap, and if so, how long.?? Is it a day, a week, or six months.?? ;-) No one said or wrote that the Tribulation started on the 23rd. Hope this helps.
Maranatha Disciple4Life
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 6, 2017 16:36:03 GMT -6
Just had a thot. The biggest change, the primary change, the must colossal, humongous, huge, big league, mind-warping change that WILL EVER OCCUR IN HISTORY (though I don't know what God is going to do after year 7,000) is the change that God has been bringing us to FOR THE LAST 6000 YEARS, is the GATHERING OF THE CHURCH AND IMMEDIATELY AFTER THEN THE 7 YEARS OF DEALING WITH ISRAEL. We are at a pinnacle of history. Here is the thing. I did not know God talked about this particular time or moment so much in Scripture until I set my glasses in the right viewing perspective. Like being at the opthalmologist, "Is this better? or this" "Is this better, or this" "Is this better, or..." WAIT! WITH THIS END OF PENTECOST LENS I SEE EVERYTHING CLEARLY. THAT BEE HAS A THOUSAND EYES!! I WANT THESE GLASSES!
My suggestion, looking at the rapture as God intended. It is the end of the Church before tribulation.
Here is my very detailed chart for how the feasts of the Lord are fulfilled.
P UB FF Pennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnntecost (wait 7 years+) FOT YK T
This is not my promised post that will bless you. I am still working on it.
Blessings.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Dec 6, 2017 17:33:48 GMT -6
I wish my entire Christian life I was referring to my relationship with Jesus as my Pentecost Walk! and then someone would ask me, What is Pentecost? and then we sit down and I tell them what God has been doing to fix what happened in the Garden the past 6000 years, emphasizing the Good News of Jesus and how God was telling us about Jesus through His Chosen people, and then tell them WAIT! dont walk away, There is so much MORE to come!! Now I totally love that verse, "Let not your heart be troubled!"
Blessings everyone!
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 6, 2017 18:47:27 GMT -6
I wish my entire Christian life I was referring to my relationship with Jesus as my Pentecost Walk! and then someone would ask me, What is Pentecost? and then we sit down and I tell them what God has been doing to fix what happened in the Garden the past 6000 years, emphasizing the Good News of Jesus and how God was telling us about Jesus through His Chosen people, and then tell them WAIT! dont walk away, There is so much MORE to come!! Now I totally love that verse, "Let not your heart be troubled!" Blessings everyone! MY WORD! barbiosheepgirl? Are you encouraged? I am holding my breath! And tell them about that incredible SECOND GREAT RESURRECTION SIGN OF 9/23/2017!!! |
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