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Post by witness1 on Dec 6, 2017 20:03:18 GMT -6
Even though he had made the heaven on the second day, it is the 4th day (which would be the center of a Menorah, correct?) On the 4th day we get the lights that seperate the day from night and which will be used for signs, and seasons... 14Then God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years; 15and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. 16God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also. 17God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good. 19There was evening and there was morning, a fourth day. Sidenote: I dont know how many times I have read Gen 1, but for some reason it the first time I am noticing that the vegetation was made BEFORE the lights that govern the day (sun). No way can there be a long period of time between day 3 and 4 because the plant make food by photosynthesis...
So if Day 4 is the center of the Menorah, what can we glean from these 7 Days of Creation? , this is one of my favorite things I have ever learned. My Mama taught me this when we were discussing how the days of Creation relate to the end times. You have probably heard the idea that the 6 days of Creation relate to the 6000 years since Creation, and then the 7th day correlates to the Millennial Kingdom. Well, what happened at year 4000/Day 4?!? Jesus! He separated the light from the darkness! "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it." John 1:1-5 "The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light; those who dwelt in a land of deep darkness, on them has light shone.... For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upond his shoulder, and his name shall be callede Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:2, 6 "For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ." 2 Cor 4:6 "for at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light." Eph 5:8 Darkness and light were separated at day 4! Grace took the place of the law! I agree that these are the fun parts of this forum. Perhaps we can look for some other patterns of 7? dennislwatson , thank you for bringing this center candlestick idea to "light"  PS... that pun was for you dennislwatson. It is fun understanding your personality now. |
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Post by davidjayjordan on Dec 6, 2017 20:28:50 GMT -6
Mike, as mentioned YES almost everyone HERE has been writing and saying that Revelation 12, 1,2 has happened. So my statements and assumptions stand verified.
What I believe to be right is the great sign of Rev 12:1-2 happened on 9/23, like almost everyone else on this site.
Everyone I have seen writing HERE seems to think Revelation 12 has happnened but now you say it is a secret thing done in the heavens ( I assume rather than HERE on Earth..... for as mentioned none of the pre-requisites of Revelation have occured.... But if you say they have do tell me or us, which ones have happened... and dont be upset if I suggest that they not be theoretical events in heaven but down to EARTH events HERE on Earth.
Fotr Mike and others, No Covenat was ever signed, no start of scarificng. No building of a 3rd Temple, NO AC and False Prophet (Kirill, No abomination of desolation, No Mark of the Beast, no chopping off of heads for those without the Mark, No Tribulation Trumpets sounding, No 2 Christian (or Jewish) Witnesses.
So rather than point to a whole thread, tell me what events precluded the suppose start of the Great TRIBULATION...HERE on EARTH.
And it would ne nice if you or others can explain if the only future event on the Lords agenda is a Rapture of Christians.
A timeline would be great, but wording and TEXT will suffice, bercause I dont think anyone has invested the time of a half hour to cvreate a simple timeline.
Love to hear from ya'all soon.
David
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Post by davidjayjordan on Dec 6, 2017 20:37:30 GMT -6
dennis, let me just respond in a small but signifcant wording you posted above.. some thing along the lines that none of us Christians will ever have to face the devil..as we all get raptured and are safe... from harm etc etc
Bro, our job is to fight the dam bastard, and defeat his forces, not pretend that we are sacrosanct and will be swept away from any trouble, sacrifice or harm. We are fighters and conquerors, not whoosies and run awayers from the battle. Every soul we win is a fight against demonic forces, and demonic grips and holds. we` are suppose to know the enemies tricks and ploys and use our Faith and COURAGE to battle him and them...and relish in the race set before us..
Moses faced the dam Pharoah
David fought Goliath
We fight and oppose the AC... face to face..or at least our 2 Christian Witnesses and Fighters do, eye to eye and face to face without fear... and if they move a muscle, fire streams from our mouths literally..
Prophecy is not a cop out mechanism but a real life struggle that we relish to begin in earnest so the Lord can use us, and be proud of us.
We are tried and tested, not rookies destined for the bench and the grandstands and voyeurism.
Dont you agree ?
WE have to have two and not one, otherwise we can't enter the MENS enclosure of the Temple. IYKWIM
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Post by davidjayjordan on Dec 6, 2017 20:39:58 GMT -6
Even though he had made the heaven on the second day, it is the 4th day (which would be the center of a Menorah, correct?) On the 4th day we get the lights that seperate the day from night and which will be used for signs, and seasons... 14Then God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years; 15and let them be for lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. 16God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also. 17God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good. 19There was evening and there was morning, a fourth day. Sidenote: I dont know how many times I have read Gen 1, but for some reason it the first time I am noticing that the vegetation was made BEFORE the lights that govern the day (sun). No way can there be a long period of time between day 3 and 4 because the plant make food by photosynthesis...
So if Day 4 is the center of the Menorah, what can we glean from these 7 Days of Creation? , this is one of my favorite things I have ever learned. My Mama taught me this when we were discussing how the days of Creation relate to the end times. You have probably heard the idea that the 6 days of Creation relate to the 6000 years since Creation, and then the 7th day correlates to the Millennial Kingdom. Well, what happened at year 4000/Day 4?!? Jesus! He separated the light from the darkness! "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it." John 1:1-5 "The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light; those who dwelt in a land of deep darkness, on them has light shone.... For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upond his shoulder, and his name shall be callede Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:2, 6 "For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ." 2 Cor 4:6 "for at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light." Eph 5:8 Darkness and light were separated at day 4! Grace took the place of the law! I agree that these are the fun parts of this forum. Perhaps we can look for some other patterns of 7? dennislwatson , thank you for bringing this center candlestick idea to "light" PS... that pun was for you dennislwatson . It is fun understanding your personality now. Amen... Creation in six days and six thousand year periods Well said www.davidjayjordan.com/1000YearDivisions.html |
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 6, 2017 21:24:26 GMT -6
I have taught the millennium day concept for decades. It is such a great study! Here is what I especially like with this idea which takes the concept to just a different level, AND TO BECOMING A SIGN FOR THE RAPTURE!
Ready?
Question: What was created on Day 6?
Answer: inspects and stuff, but at the end of the 6th day the ultimate creation, made a little lower than angels, in the image of God... man! Now there is ADAM and he names animals gets bummed out, God to the rescue and then later after Adam's surgery "ADAM VER. 2.0" or EVE is on the scene. She is the one who had the additional abilities to create new people inside her from seed to term and to look through Adams baloney and call him on it. WOW! The Best. (by the way the man is the head of the woman meaning he is her source. She came out of him like the Mississippi comes out of Lake Superior. That does not mean he has rulership ability over women. That would be like Lake Superior getting in the Mississippi River's face because Lake Superior does not like the DELTA. That is not Lake Superior's problem. He is just the head. That is another ridiculous thing that is taught today in churches but that is not what I am dealing with here.)
Anyway, they ADAM and EVE, were created perfect on day 6. They collected and irradiated the light of God with whom they walked. Then they sinned.
Question: What happened when ADAM sinned?
Answer: Death came to them (Death in spirit immediately, but real "Death" was new at it then and so at first it took him some time to get it done right...he has better methods now) and they lost their glow and they knew God would see them ... dim. They wanted to hide it with leaves. Good try.
Question: If man was created on day 6 then how does this apply to the 6th Millennium? No wait, man was created in the first millennium! What about MAN (-Child) is going to be created in the sixth millennium? Do you see where I am going? With the millennium day concept it seems that something about man should be created in millennium 6!!! Do you see that? Do you get where I am going?
Here is the prophecy about the timing of the rapture from Genesis 1, and from the millennium day concept. MAN WILL BE RE - CREATED PERFECT AT THE END OF DAY 6, OR THE END OF THE SIXTH MILLENIUM. When will that be? I propose at the end of the termination of Pentecost Count from the SECOND GREAT RESURRECTION SIGN OF 9/23/2017!
I really think every person of the Trinity has their own reasons for being so excited about this happening. Don't deprive God of joy, and honor, and Glory, by your not being expectant with joy when He comes. What an opportunity we have Saints. I mean it. There will never be another GREAT RESURRECTION SIGN. Scotty showed it.
I loved that idea. In years past, without the knowledge of the sign, I would think, "We just need to get towards that 6,000 year end". Saints, We are there. Blessings.
Again, not the promised blessing thing. I can't wait to do that. Thanks for letting me exhort!
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Post by witness1 on Dec 6, 2017 21:34:41 GMT -6
Wow... if this isn't the promised blessing thing, I'm excited! Because the idea of being created perfect at the end of day 6 is very cool.
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 7, 2017 8:47:04 GMT -6
I stated this yesterday. “Saints, sometime today I am working on a summary of the fifty idea. Why is fifty used so much by God? 138 times in Scripture. There is much in Scripture which we can learn from that and apparently, it is very important to God. My next post will absolutely bless your socks off about this, and I know because I am, so...go put some socks on.”
Well this is it. (I won’t color every fifty red, it is hard to read I know and don't speed read this, read it slowly, every point is important)
I did review all the 138 uses of fifty in Scripture. I was interested to note that the first mention of fifty was in the Genesis story of….guess what…the flood. Fifty was one of the measurements on the ark. Interesting we are thinking about this number for the rapture and the first time we find it, it is the story that Jesus referred to us to indicate that at the last days we are now in, it would be like the days of Noah. Not a clear connection but first mentions are important.
Jesus also referred to the similarity of our time to the time of Lot where Lot was rescued out just before judgment. God had fifty on His mind.
Genesis 18:26 - And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.
The biggest group of fifties in Scripture were of course in 2 Kings chapter 1 and 2, surrounding Elijah just before his rapture, once again a rescue theme perhaps, and I have already discussed that in the posts above.
But there were two other larger groups of fifties in Scripture as well and I thought I would share with you a line of thought that I had. The two larger groups of fifties are in Moses description of the Tabernacle in Exodus 26-36 (fifty 19 times) and in Ezekiel’s description of what I think is the Temple of God to be built in the millennium in Ezekiel 40-46 (fifty 10 times).
Two major construction projects where the architect was the Lord God involve this number, fifty, over and over again, and so I wondered why? and what that could mean? and what can the Holy Spirit teach me?
In the Tabernacle were fifty loops, fifty taches of gold, and certain dimensions are fifty cubits, and certain offerings associated with the Tabernacle are fifty shekels. In Ezekiel’s described Temple are windows, and arches, and walls, and doors, and little chambers and other spaces where at least one of their dimensions is fifty cubits.
Here is an example for the Tabernacle: Exodus 27:18 The length of the court shall be an hundred cubits, and the breadth fifty every where.
Here is an example for the Temple: Ezekiel 40:15 - And from the face of the gate of the entrance unto the face of the porch of the inner gate were fifty cubits.
I imagined myself approaching that “gate of entrance” and I thought, “I want to remember this verse when, for the first time, I actually get the opportunity to go through that entrance.” And then I wondered why would that be important to remember that verse. This next idea blessed me.
May I make mention of a scene in a movie to make a point. Hope you have seen the movie already so that you can glob on to what I am about to tell you.
So the movie is American President. Let’s see… it had Michael Douglas and Annette Bening. The movie was about the President of the US whose wife had died, so the President in the White House is a widower with a teenage daughter there also. Of course the single President and Annette Bening begin to have a relationship. The President is out of practice in courting a woman and the teen age daughter knows it. Just before he meets Annette Bening on a date to an important state dinner, he is about to leave the White House, his daughter tells him, “Compliment her shoes!” He says, "What?" She says, “compliment her shoes…women always like that.”
And so of course, when Annette Bening shows up to the state dinner, he compliments her shoes and her enjoyment is obvious. It was quite charming. I actually remembered to do that after I lost my first wife and I was a widower courting a new woman I met. I complimented her shoes…and other things. We are now very happily married, now for nearly three years.
May I make a suggestion Saints? Now that you know how important fifties are in God’s mind, “Compliment His fifties!”
When you approach that “Gate of the Entrance” and you note it is fifty cubits, “Compliment His fifty.” Enjoy the beauty and meaning of it. Tell others. They won't know it. They weren't on unsealed. It is your job to tell them. Thank God for the remembrance of that special number that was associated so importantly in getting you up to that Gate in the first place. Let me even make it easier to enjoy the beauty of it. Did you know the length of a cubit was determined to be the length of the king’s elbow to finger tip. A different king, the cubit changed. The length of a cubit in Heaven? The length of our Lord’s elbow to finger. The perfect cubit.
Every measurement relates to our King.
Saints! When you first retire to your mansion, realizing that Jesus did truly build it specifically for you, and you see some dimension or pattern or staircase steps or whatever, and you see it is fifty of something, “Compliment His fifties” because I am sure Saint, you who were gathered after being one of those who came to Him between the first count of fifty at Pentecost in Acts 2, and the last count of fifty at the termination of Pentecost soon to come, WILL SEE SOME dimension of the mansion He built for you to be fifty cubits. Somewhere! Just a guess, but if you see it, with joy and gratitude “Compliment His fifty.” I think I can rightfully predict “God always likes that!” I think this hint was the Holy Spirit telling me "Compliment His fifties!" Thank you Lord.
If I get a chance to visit your mansion. Point out the fifties to me! We will both enjoy His work!
Blessings Saints. Soon we rise and shine and start looking for fifties!
Where are your socks?
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Post by witness1 on Dec 7, 2017 12:35:14 GMT -6
This brought tears to my eyes. How profoundly beautiful.
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Post by witness1 on Dec 7, 2017 14:40:10 GMT -6
I think there's a good chance you're on to something, but I'm still on the fence trying to synthesize everything together. I am trying to figure out if the super moons fit here... it is interesting that the moon is basically full on Dec 31st and then there is an eclipse Jan 31st. Could this be the day the tribulation begins under a blood moon? That just doesn't fit with any timeline we have conceived so far with a 7 year tribulation ending on a fall feast day. I have been going to and fro over the book and trying to conceive of a different timeline that fits with this December rapture idea. Do you have any thoughts as to how it could play out? It is interesting that Paul Dawson came to basically the same conclusion I suggested above! Throwing this out there... I asked on another thread if it might be possible that the tribulation is not 7 years. Interestingly, a 1335 day count from 1/31 ends at the last day of Sukkot in 2021. |
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 7, 2017 17:31:12 GMT -6
Here is how I see the Revelation 12 Sign - and what it should have been named...THE SECOND GREAT RESURRECTION SIGN OF 9/23/2017 works as indicating when the Season of Pentecost will be closed with a harvest. FEASTS.pdf (125.26 KB) Blessings Saints. |
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 7, 2017 19:33:13 GMT -6
Saints. May I begin to talk about "New Meat"? The rules from Moses in Leviticus 23:16 indicates at the end of Pentecost there is to be a presentation of "new meat". What is new meat?
"New Meat" is grain that has just been harvested.
When you get harvested at the end of Pentecost you will need to present to God a sacrifice of "NEW MEAT."
Did you bring any with you there at the rapture. Oh no! You left all your grain behind? No problem.
YOU ARE THE ONE YOURSELF, SUBJECT: PRIEST AND KING THAT IS PRESENTING TO GOD A SACRIFICE OF NEW MEAT.
OBJECT: YOU ARE THE NEW MEAT. YOU ARE A PRIEST AND THE SACRIFICE.
Ohhh!!! That's familiar. Isn't that what Jesus did? Except he was sinless. Yes, He has us there but has given us immortality. Sin can't touch that anymore. The body follows the head!!!
The rapture occurs at the harvest of Pentecost. Pentecost ends with a count just as it started with a count.
Blessings Saints. Soon we rise and shine.
Ohhh!!! And I just thought of this and will have to develop it. This "New Meat" idea is wonderful!!!! Thank you Moses. Remember the Church is promised that we would be priests and kings and we would be involved in the rule during the Millennium. That "PRIESTS" thing is so cool because we are not priests under any Aaronical system. We are priests of another order. We are priests after the order of Milchezedek. Maybe those priests can make a sacrifice of New Meat. Okay Children of Abraham. We need to deal with this priest of your daddy in faith for a bit. Soon to come.
(I would never have learned this "new meat" idea or been so blessed by this had not I been challenged by Natalie. Thank you Natalie. Iron sharpens Iron. Now I look forward to making a sacrifice of New Meat. I was not there to be blessed by that concept till after your post.)
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 8, 2017 1:46:13 GMT -6
Saints, I had a private message from a member here and it concerns me. He thinks because I showed that there is a count from Leviticus after the SECOND GREAT RESURRECTION SIGN of 9/23/2017 and because at one point I pointed out the "shall" in the verse (I did this because another commenter said "Christians don't have to count") and indicated it was a command language and thus I am attempting to place people under the law.
I have to address this here, because if this is what LOTS of members or guests are thinking, I need to nip this in the bud before the bud sprouts.
Christians don't have to count! But if you want to get it right and you want the blessing from obeying a command, you do have to count, and if you are going to count you SHALL do it this way if you want to do it right. That is what the "shall" is there for.
The command in the verse is only meant ritually for Israel. I did not ever intend to convey that a Christian has to count or he or she won't be saved. in fact it is prophesied in Scripture that the far larger part of Christianity will be surprised by the coming of Jesus and as such will not be counting and I, and the One who inspired the words of Scripture, have accepted that fact.
Here is what the commenter said (identity is confidential) but I need to respond to all if this private message is not just an aberration but if it is what multiple members and guests are thinking.
Again, I think this may have been prompted after I quoted Leviticus 23:15 & 16 and I pointed out the “Shall” in the verses which is a command word. This prompted this message and of course, I am the “sir” mentioned therein:
"But when you quote it and say something like, "we are commanded to do so" then you are placing your self back under the Old Testament Law, and you sir should know that we are no longer under the "Law". Yeshua died so we no longer had to be under the "Law".
How many times has Paul told us in Romans alone that we aren't under the Law. We aren't commanded to keep the Feasts of the Lord, can we? sure we can and myself and family have done so, but we are not commanded to keep them and in doing so you can't add anything to the cross just to try and make ourselves look good to God.
There is nothing wrong with enjoying the Feast Day's or counting or any of that sort of thing, but we should never place ourselves back under the Law in doing so.”
I know this, without the temple in Jerusalem IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to ritually "fulfill" or "keep" any feast day, including even the feast day of Sabbath day so I am not sure what this person and his family is doing to "keep the feasts." I don't even do that. BUT, I will be interested to see if 12/31 is the end of that count for Pentecost. I think he just said it is OK for me to do that, as long as I am not "back under the Law in doing so." Well no chance for me to go there but is this one of those areas where I am dealing with people who secretly wish to go back under the law...and buy doves and lambs for sacrifice for their sin? Do any such people exist? That want to go back under that system? This is a legitimate fear today? In Paul's time, he had to deal with the Judiazers. I don't think I have ever typed that word before so I think it is wrong. Those who were opposing the gospel message being preached by Paul trying to force Christians back in the Pharisaical system. Is that what I am doing here? If you read 5 post of mine will you really get that idea? I am astounded to think that.
So I plead with you all..
If there is any moderator on Unsealed, any member who lurks, any guest out there who believes that looking at the count and perhaps looking for a blessing and a blessed hope therein as we approach the end, means that anyone who does engage in looking at the count is being placed back under the law, then, I am simply...unable to respond. I don’t know what to say except I will apologize to ANYONE if you find that my words have led such person, to feel that their salvation, planned from the beginning of creation, made possible by the grace of God, through the Blood of Jesus Christ, sealed by the Holy Spirit, accepted by faith, rendering them a child of Abraham, a child of God, a new creation, and they feel their salvation was rendered insufficient when I pointed out the “shall” in Leviticus 23:15 & 16. I AM SORRY!!! It seems I spend more time on unsealed apologizing that I am confident of a Biblical idea than giving Biblical ideas. What gives here?
The writer of the comment is correct in one respect because he also believes again that my personality is...needing work....(and with this I agree) as I am too "zealous", that perhaps I am too confident in my opinions (I am) and as a result, I lack humility and respect for people with whom I supposedly "share space" on unsealed. Now that I know the system, I don't over post and put stuff on your threads even though with many i vehemently disagree. I appreciate that he posted this privately. To my knowledge at this point. I have never posted on his threads. May I ask that you all and most likely he, actually read my article and then we can discuss the content therein?
You know. I would really like people to look at the Scripture I present and discuss that and frankly, leave my deranged personality out of this. This is getting like a guest trying to present a new and hopeful theological position to Joy Behar on the View when both she and Whoopi Goldberg disagree with the guest. (I don't watch the show but I have seen clips and I had to go to IMDB to figure out Whoopi's name) You just don't get to much content.
Step up Saints. I am not writing here to ruin your faith in the blood of Christ. I am writing here so that you will have joy in the ENTIRE counsel of God's prophetic Word. And what I am joyfully finding is that even more of His Word is prophetic than I previously thought.
If you also feel my position is attempting to put you under law please let me know. Thanks. Then I know I will need to address it. As far as the count goes, if you are blessed enough to do it, you SHALL do it right if you want the blessing. If you don't do it the way it was commanded it won't make sense.
Blessings. Soon we will rise and shine and become joyous and of one accord. Can’t come too soon in my apparently intolerant, prideful, and unrespectful opinion. Those characteristics are not in my heart. I am really sorry you think those things are there they are not.
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Post by Natalie on Dec 8, 2017 8:09:52 GMT -6
Oh, Dennis! I didn't mean to encourage you! (please take that as the joke I meant it to be ) |
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Post by mike on Dec 8, 2017 8:22:00 GMT -6
Dennis,
Mike the "Christian" here saying I am starting to understand your personality a bit better and appreciate your excitement, you're starting to encourage me! Thank you for your energy, and humility.
Mike the "moderator" says anything I have had "disagreement" with you on we've covered. I don't see that you've done anything wrong here asking us to count. Nor did I get the impression you said counting was required to be saved.
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Post by boraddict on Dec 8, 2017 9:54:28 GMT -6
Using the celestial event of Sept.23 2017 as a fulfillment of Revelation 12 as the beginning day of your count for the feast of weeks culmination I find speculative but interesting. You are attempting to accurately pinpoint his sudden appearing "Harpazo" for his Church. Thank you Brazen for this picture. Now I understand the sign that has been referenced in a multitude of postings. It is quite brilliant. One thing that I have noticed about the signs of the times is that none are pinpoint accurate but seem to provide a shotgun effect for letting us know we are in the right generation for the climatic events to occur. For instance, Gen. 15 points to 400 years from the beginning of Israel coming to the promised land, North America. It gives the date of something like 2016, 17, 18, etc. That is, whenever Israel, the followers of Christ, settled in the new world and add 400 years. So we know that we are right on top of the event. I however think the event is the attack by the beast and the 50 days begin from that point. That is, the attack is the main event and the rapture is the Savior's response. Thus, the feast of weeks is that we need our food in our homes for 50 days. Then we go on the rapture. |
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