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Post by davewatchman on Dec 26, 2017 8:53:13 GMT -6
Hi Dennis. Today is December 23rd and there are 7 days left before the 31st. If nothing happens on the 31st that pertains to the rapture, then do you have a secondary date or scenario to apply? The reason I ask is that in the past I have established a number of dates that failed to produce the desired results; the rapture etc. I never established a secondary date because I was committed to the date at hand; a date that did not produce results.
If your date of 31 December does not result in the rapture, then where do you go from there? Personally, I think the rapture off the earth is at the end of the 7 years. However, I find that a rapture does exist in the beginning as well. Thus, in my opinion the rapture you are speaking of is not the rapture off the earth. Not that it matters. However, my calculations show this rapture to take place after the beast makes his move to rule the earth, and it is then that the seven weeks (50 days) apply as a Passover. I am probably wrong in my analysis but it may be the case that our searching is what really counts and not actually getting everything right.
So please consider this posting as a simple communication from one searcher to another; because, it is not my intent to be inflammatory.
Thus, what do you see as the next date for consideration if any? I still think December 31 is going to be something. I'm more like you in that I'm not dogmatic for what will be the event that takes place. Will it be a seven day warning like Noah had before the flood? From where I sit, January 6/7 is the last weekend for something big to happen. It would take too long and sound too confusing to explain why. I'm looking at the various counts of the days of Noah, the estimated time that he spent sealed inside the ark, counted until a "darkened" sun. January 6/7 is also when Mercury, the red planet, finally catches up with Jupiter the King planet. But it's too late for Mercury. Jupiter is already caught up to a place of safety, the heavenly scales of Libra.  But her child was caught up to God and to his throne. After this, Virgo is out of bullets. And so am I. |
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Post by davewatchman on Dec 26, 2017 9:22:50 GMT -6
I meant to ask you this before, and Mr. Watson too. I know that it's a hard thing to answer, it's a hard thing to assign a percentage to. And it's scary. It's like living with the knowledge that we're at the end of the world. I can't build a garage or buy a new car or plan for an immediate future here. I think that i've been sure since 2013.
And whether or not i am raptured before the tribulation, millions of people are going to die. And they are going to suffer being burnt and drowned and crushed in buildings and be scared to death. Men's hearts will fail them for fear of what is coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
And the animals are going to die.
I'm sorry they deleted your thread at the other forum Teddy. I wrote a note over there mentioning it. I think it was my fault. I replied to your thread and that was it. My reply was too over the top, too much detail.
Are you making any preparations, in case we aren't raptured right away?
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Post by krnboitae on Dec 26, 2017 17:38:11 GMT -6
I meant to ask you this before, and Mr. Watson too. I know that it's a hard thing to answer, it's a hard thing to assign a percentage to. And it's scary. It's like living with the knowledge that we're at the end of the world. I can't build a garage or buy a new car or plan for an immediate future here. I think that i've been sure since 2013. And whether or not i am raptured before the tribulation, millions of people are going to die. And they are going to suffer being burnt and drowned and crushed in buildings and be scared to death. Men's hearts will fail them for fear of what is coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And the animals are going to die. I'm sorry they deleted your thread at the other forum Teddy. I wrote a note over there mentioning it. I think it was my fault. I replied to your thread and that was it. My reply was too over the top, too much detail. Are you making any preparations, in case we aren't raptured right away? Not really. Just preparing my heart for the rapture. |
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Post by boraddict on Dec 26, 2017 23:32:42 GMT -6
If I was going to choose another date it might be May 14, 2018. That is the 70 year mark from when Israel became a nation state.
We all know that we are close. So the debate is not if the rapture is close, but when is it exactly?
We are all finding things that reaffirm our belief that the event is very close.
I found in the type of Jericho (a simple theory that I developed), that the event must be prior to 2024. Also, a friend of mine found a Sept. 2017 date independent of the Rev. 12 sign.
Additionally, the news of our day proves our belief; thus, we know that we are right. So what exactly are we looking for; an all of the sudden rapture?
I think we are looking for an event other than a rapture. Yes the rapture will take place; however, prior to that we should see the United Nations presided over by Pope Francis.
I do not know how this could possibly happen. But when it does, we should see things progress very quickly.
I will say that it is wise to have food and water stored for 7 weeks (50 days). This is the feast of weeks that to me appears as a Passover. So we need to stay in our homes from the time of the first event to the rapture and that length of time is 50 days. Remember that Noah had his food storage and Moses taught the Passover in which they closed their doors and ate their food. If I am right then the food in our homes is critical. Not a lot of food, just 7 weeks worth.
If the rapture is May 14, then we might be looking at the end of March for the first event.
That is my best guess.
Another date that was discovered by my friend is in the month of June. It is based up the period of time that Moses traveled when he and the children of Israel left Egypt (38 years, 9 months, and 10 days). Actually, my friends date passed and then he settled on Sept. 2017, and I derived from his work June of 2018 of which he considered but never confirmed.
So we can find a lot of dates; however, I think we should be looking instead for an event other than a rapture, and then the rapture will follow.
Post Script: I guess that I am saying that I agree with Dennis that there is a 50 day count. However, that count is not from the chapter 12 sign but from something else, and we will know it when we see it.
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Post by disciple4life on Dec 27, 2017 4:18:57 GMT -6
Thanks for the insight Boraddict. I certainly agree that we are on the brink, and countless watchmen and end-times teachers believe that we are seeing labor pains and that the 70 year mark is very very significant. 
It sounds like you are saying that there will be some other "trigger event" before the rapture? Or in other words - that there will be some other event that will light the fuse, or start the chain of dominoes, and part of that is the rapture - am I correct??
I lean strongly that all the feasts are inseparably linked to the Messiah, but in all honesty and candor, but I'm putting it aside for the moment  and considering other options - If we look at the Feasts, the first four have already been fulfilled, and no other feast even comes close to all the parallels and matches with the Harpazo and Yom Teruah in terms of scripture and historical and cultural evidence. J D Farag and Amir Tsarfati and Perry Stone, others, have said that so many things are happening so fast, and all the players are in position for Gog of Magog, that I don't think we'll last until Feast of Trumpets. J D believes that US is out of the picture, not mentioned because tens of millions including military and law enforcement will be raptured, total chaos, and not able to help Israel, --NOT THAT we turn against Israel - but simply that so many of American Christians will be gone. Makes total sense.
So many others have pointed out that it's cool to speculate, but nothing in scripture tells us to count 50 days, or 12 or 40 or 70 from any date or event to get the rapture.
Huge leap to arbitrarily connect 50 to some number of purification, and arbitrarily connect that to Sept 23 alignment - which many have said meant something for sure, but not what most thought.
Maranatha.
Disciple4life.
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Post by mike on Dec 27, 2017 7:00:05 GMT -6
boraddict I prefer to keep looking at HIM. At this point with many dates being tossed around, HE is my focus now. While I hope 12/31, Saint Patty's Day, Cinco de Mayo, 5/14, 4th of July...is the date I want to keep my desire on HIM rather than a day 
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Post by fitz on Dec 27, 2017 7:00:33 GMT -6
Agree D4L...I've always wondered how the US could NOT help Israel when attacked by our old nemesis, Russia, and their Muslim coalition. Especially now with Trump being decidedly pro-Israel.
We don't "turn against Israel", we are incapacitated. I think both Trump and Pence are raptured...and possible the top 3 or 4 more in line (not sure). Then chaos ensues.
On counting...I think*, I say THINK, Dennis sees a correlation of the 50 days from Jesus' Resurrection to Pentecost to the Rev. 12 sign, which he sees as a type of the resurrection... certainly a remembrance as Rev 12 recaps the big picture. The similar sign happened 2000 years ago to herald that main event, along with the Bethlehem star. Same thing happened this year for the next resurrection...thus 50 days from that sign.
I get where he is going, totally and I think he is a hoot! In this medium, correctly perceiving intended inflection is difficult. In written communication, one must be overly careful in choosing words as to not to send the wrong message. I.e., I think it was a comedy of errors with the back and forth...misread inflections...Dennis is a little brash (well, he is a lawyer...LOL...sorry Dennis)...but I think he has a good heart and loves Jesus very deeply. No doubt he does!
I saw so many crazy theories pop up over the past few months...people digging deeply into all things Jewish, customs etc., looking for clues. All fine and well, but none of that panned out. Dennis' theory is actually pretty cool and it all starts in Lev. where the feasts and their timing is specified. Resurrection 1 (Jesus) mirrored in Resurrection 2 (us). Is it not interesting that we've seen at least 3 or 4 theories pointing to the same day (12/31) but coming at it from different angles? Remember that even Daniel Matson, I believe, thought Dennis might be on to something...not sure if I remember that correctly or not.
Anyway, didn't mean to ramble on like this and I don't necessarily think Dennis has it all right...I don't know. But more and more I think the rapture happens on the least likely day of the year. Not tied to a feast. The rapture was hidden and only revealed first to Paul. It's a secret, a quick (twinkling of an eye quick) and ultimately catastrophic event for the world. Is that 12/31/17? I hope so, for us...but then I hope it's today! I want to go home.
Borraddict: Just speculation...I think it could be a world-wide earthquake/massive devastation/maybe even multiple volcano eruptions, but almost simultaneous with the rapture.
Fitz
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Post by mike on Dec 27, 2017 7:01:09 GMT -6
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Post by mike on Dec 27, 2017 7:05:59 GMT -6
fitz - thanks for jumping out of the shout box and joining the discussions Agreed on all three points!
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Post by boraddict on Dec 27, 2017 8:22:07 GMT -6
J D Farag and Amir Tsarfati and Perry Stone, others, have said that so many things are happening so fast, and all the players are in position for Gog of Magog, that I don't think we'll last until Feast of Trumpets. J D believes that US is out of the picture, not mentioned because tens of millions including military and law enforcement will be raptured, total chaos, and not able to help Israel, --NOT THAT we turn against Israel - but simply that so many of American Christians will be gone. Makes total sense.
So many others have pointed out that it's cool to speculate, but nothing in scripture tells us to count 50 days, or 12 or 40 or 70 from any date or event to get the rapture.
Huge leap to arbitrarily connect 50 to some number of purification, and arbitrarily connect that to Sept 23 alignment - which many have said meant something for sure, but not what most thought.
Thank you d4l. One thing worth considering is that we as a group do not recognize the prophets metaphorical use of "Egypt" as the U. S. Ezekiel is the only exception and he uses "Babylon." So we as a group might be at an elementary level and not able to move into our next generation of study. We should be able to know and understand scripture completely. Yet, like the two who walked with the Savior, we need someone to explain it all to us (Luke 24:25). We are like Daniel who said: Dan. 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.If we were wise then we would understand. What are we missing?Take the hardwood flooring industry for example. They know that they are unable to move beyond the factory cooked on finish as the best of the industry. That is, the entrie industry knows that factory cooked on finish is the best. They are all on the same page with respect to this knowledge. We on the other hand have not been able to see the U. S. in scripture. Like the greatest nation that has ever been upon the earth is not mentioned in scripture. |
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Post by disciple4life on Dec 27, 2017 8:54:33 GMT -6
Hey, my brother, ;-) I knew you'd catch that one. heheh. I could have bet a chicken biscuit on that one. You'll know 100% that someone stole my identity and hijacked my computer when the person claiming to be D4L - Calls the red sauce for pasta gravy,
- and has a new theory about how the pyramid angles reveal the hidden secrets of the end times, or
- if the imposter posts "Palestinians" in any thread, anywhere, not in quotes or brackets - You'll know it's bogus.
NOT the Scots-Irish-French-Jewish-American from Tennessee you know. ROFL. I just wanted to show that I'm open to new ideas - but there are limits. ;-)
Maranatha -
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Post by mike on Dec 27, 2017 9:37:28 GMT -6
disciple4lifeThis is your problem, you're not Italian! Gravy! It's red gravy! Turkey gets brown gravy 
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Post by boraddict on Dec 27, 2017 21:17:52 GMT -6
Okay, I hope no one minds if I continue working on Dennis' thread. After all, I do agree with his 50 days although I think the count starts somewhere other than the chapter 12 sign. So in a way I am championing his cause.
First, let us consider two verses that reference the "clouds" metaphor that means the enraptured church.
Rev. 14:14, And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Thus, the Lord is with the enraptured church, the "cloud."
Let's look at what happens next:
Isa. 19:1, The burden of Egypt. Behold, the LORD rideth upon a swift cloud, and shall come into Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it.
Thus, when the rapture takes place then there is civil war in "Egypt." Who is Egypt?
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Post by yardstick on Dec 27, 2017 22:06:04 GMT -6
The position was never the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 4:16:47 GMT -6
Okay, I hope no one minds if I continue working on Dennis' thread. After all, I do agree with his 50 days although I think the count starts somewhere other than the chapter 12 sign. So in a way I am championing his cause. First, let us consider two verses that reference the "clouds" metaphor that means the enraptured church. Rev. 14:14, And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Thus, the Lord is with the enraptured church, the "cloud." Let's look at what happens next: Isa. 19:1, The burden of Egypt. Behold, the LORD rideth upon a swift cloud, and shall come into Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it.Thus, when the rapture takes place then there is civil war in "Egypt." Who is Egypt?Two remarks: First may I ask a honest question? where do you see a connection between Rev 14:14 and Isa 19:1? Is it only by the word cloud or is there more? If so, what else? The golden rule of interpretation states: I think, and this is common sense within the bible teacher community, that Egypt here is the real Egypt. This scripture further hints that the pyramids may play a role as a sign (something, Daniel W. Matson has researched long ago here). A personal remark: I would never build doctrine from that, but I think it is worth a second thought (The connections of the Great Pyramid to the Messiah are mind-boggling templates). |
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