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Post by Gary on Nov 6, 2017 9:13:36 GMT -6
I thought I should start a thread about the upcoming Venus-Jupiter conjunction, which is a week from today. Imho, at the very least it's a sign, at most it could be on or near you-know-what.
In short, Venus represents Christ (Rev. 22:16) and Jupiter represents the Body of Christ (Jesus Incarnate + the Church).
We've all focused a lot on Revelation 2:26-27 as direct evidence the male child of Revelation 12:5 CAN be interpreted as the Church, but someone on a Revelation 12 Facebook group recently pointed to the very next verse:
Jesus IS the morning star (Rev. 22:16), so the ultimate promise to the Church which will inherit the rod of iron is that they would receive Christ Himself. The Body being joined to the Head. When does the Church receive the morning star? At the rapture:
The fact that the Body and Head come together shortly after Jupiter's September or October birth is quite interesting. That's exactly what we would expect to happen if Revelation 12:5 and Revelation 2:28 played out in the heavens after the Rev. 12:1-2 fulfillment.
Dan Matson also found some interesting numbers: 777 days after the last Blood Moon, 444 days after the last Jupiter-Venus conjunction, 120 days after Israel retook the Temple Mount, 12 weeks after the eclipse, 50 days after the Rev. 12 Sign, etc.
Not setting a date, just saying we should watch and pay attention because we are nearing the end of the 2017 window if the second coming occurs on a Fall Festival in 2024.
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Post by mike on Nov 6, 2017 9:24:50 GMT -6
Not setting a date, just saying we should watch and pay attention because we are nearing the end of the 2017 window if the second coming occurs on a Fall Festival in 2024. Quoting this in case it gets lost in the shuffle! |
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Post by thetimeoftheend on Nov 6, 2017 10:12:40 GMT -6
I thought I should start a thread about the upcoming Venus-Jupiter conjunction, which is a week from today. Imho, at the very least it's a sign, at most it could be on or near you-know-what. In short, Venus represents Christ (Rev. 22:16) and Jupiter represents the Body of Christ (Jesus Incarnate + the Church). We've all focused a lot on Revelation 2:26-27 as direct evidence the male child of Revelation 12:5 CAN be interpreted as the Church, but someone on a Revelation 12 Facebook group recently pointed to the very next verse: Jesus IS the morning star (Rev. 22:16), so the ultimate promise to the Church which will inherit the rod of iron is that they would receive Christ Himself. The Body being joined to the Head. When does the Church receive the morning star? At the rapture: The fact that the Body and Head come together shortly after Jupiter's September or October birth is quite interesting. That's exactly what we would expect to happen if Revelation 12:5 and Revelation 2:28 played out in the heavens after the Rev. 12:1-2 fulfillment. Dan Matson also found some interesting numbers: 777 days after the last Blood Moon, 444 days after the last Jupiter-Venus conjunction, 120 days after Israel retook the Temple Mount, 12 weeks after the eclipse, 50 days after the Rev. 12 Sign, etc. Not setting a date, just saying we should watch and pay attention because we are nearing the end of the 2017 window if the second coming occurs on a Fall Festival in 2024. I was just looking at this again, and was getting ready to start a thread , but you beat me to it. I've been reading over Daniel Matson's post several times and I like his logic, but I have also noticed some other interesting things playing out in the stars. I should say now that I am using Sky Map on my cell, which isn't the most advanced program, but if someone else is able to validate or invalidate with stellarium or something else, please do. In any event, I've noticed that as Venus moves towards Jupiter, Mars is creeping down kind of in front of the "womb" area of Virgo. It really begins to enter this area tomorrow (the 7th) and leaves right about the 20th of November. The symbolism certainly isn't lost on me, the Dragon standing before the woman, waiting to devour the Male child who is caught up to heaven. But I had another thought, Mars as we know symbolizes war, and it leaves that general area around the 20th when some speculate that the Tribualtion may begin in order to fulfill a Day of Atonement 2024 2nd Coming. What is also significant, is on that same day, from what I am seeing, November 20th, Venus enters Libra, could this symbolize the lamb opening the seals? I'm not the first to suggest that Mars in front of Virgo could symbolize a war for Israel, I think paulwatchmandawson may have in one of his videos. But it would all fit together nicely with the signs in the stars right? A war starting very soon, perhaps in a couple of days, perhaps the church being caught up, and a covenant confimed, and the judgement beginning on the earth. I want to be very clear, and repeat what mike said, no one is setting dates. We don't know. I also wanted to be doubly clear on something else, I'm not trying to read the stars like a horoscope, nor do I believe they have any power over anything. God has set the stars and planets in their place as signs of the reasons and of the lateness of the hour. But I would love other's opinions, even if it's to say it's a stretch or that it may have made sense in my mind but didn't translate well to paper 🤣 |
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Post by gkp on Nov 6, 2017 11:26:19 GMT -6
Thank you for starting this thread Gary. I suspect a lot of people are thinking deeply about this coming event. I had a question for Paul Dawson and asked it on the Berean thread but have not gotten a response yet. So I will share a bit of what is on my heart lately. Paul made a great point thatthe sign of the woman focused many people on the importance of God's heavenly signs and how they relate to us. And then he talked about the three conjunctions of Venus being a continuing part of the sign. I had a moment of insight this morning and realized this might be likened to a play on stage. The part of the sky encompassing Leo, Virgo, and Libra is the back ground. It is static for the most part but lighting can focus attention to a certain place if desired. The planets are the actors. They move across the stage and play out different parts of the story. The "star" of the show is Venus. It is the one actor who interacts with many of the others. The moon and the sun are the spotlights.
The first part of the drama (while the sign of the woman is forming) is the conjunction of Venus and Regulus, the king star. Might this represent Jesus coming to this earth 2000 years ago and offering himself as the king of the Jews? The wise men from the east thought so and brought him kingly gifts. And Jesus was born into the tribe of Judah, which is associated with this constellation.
The drama moves center stage after the sign of the woman is complete. The next conjunction is between Venus and Mars. Paul Dawson is certain Mars is evil and very likely the dragon. If this is so then this conjunction is not a friendly encounter. What if this conjunction relates to the drama between Judas and Jesus? The Scripture says that Satan entered Judas. And the name Judas comes from Judah. Might Judas be a symbol for the tribe of Judah betraying their true king? So this might explain why Mars could be one of the three planets to complete the crown of the woman. This was before the betrayal. Then Judas revealed the evil in His heart.
The third conjunction is coming upon us very soon. The action is on the left side of the stage at the edge of Libra. The spotlight of the sun is focused there. God wants us to focus there too. So Venus and Jupiter enter the throne room of God. The other actors are still on stage, except for Mercury which earlier exited stage left.
I know that there are lots more constellions up there that share this story too. But is a grand story and can be seen from many viewpoints. The drama I am depicting on stage is the story we are focused on these days,
Anyway, these are my thoughts this morning. Thanks again for creating a place for us to compare notes. I look forward to your insights!
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Post by nana on Nov 6, 2017 15:26:57 GMT -6
On the November calendar dates:
11/12-Venus occult Jupiter and is the 8th day of Tabernacles IF the months have been off
12/13-Final Venus Jupiter conjunction, head meets body?
22/23-41 days after October 13 when Jupiter left Virgo, also is Thanksgiving
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Post by lookup on Nov 6, 2017 15:43:47 GMT -6
I thought I should start a thread about the upcoming Venus-Jupiter conjunction, which is a week from today. Imho, at the very least it's a sign, at most it could be on or near you-know-what. In short, Venus represents Christ (Rev. 22:16) and Jupiter represents the Body of Christ (Jesus Incarnate + the Church). We've all focused a lot on Revelation 2:26-27 as direct evidence the male child of Revelation 12:5 CAN be interpreted as the Church, but someone on a Revelation 12 Facebook group recently pointed to the very next verse: Jesus IS the morning star (Rev. 22:16), so the ultimate promise to the Church which will inherit the rod of iron is that they would receive Christ Himself. The Body being joined to the Head. When does the Church receive the morning star? At the rapture: The fact that the Body and Head come together shortly after Jupiter's September or October birth is quite interesting. That's exactly what we would expect to happen if Revelation 12:5 and Revelation 2:28 played out in the heavens after the Rev. 12:1-2 fulfillment. Dan Matson also found some interesting numbers: 777 days after the last Blood Moon, 444 days after the last Jupiter-Venus conjunction, 120 days after Israel retook the Temple Mount, 12 weeks after the eclipse, 50 days after the Rev. 12 Sign, etc. Not setting a date, just saying we should watch and pay attention because we are nearing the end of the 2017 window if the second coming occurs on a Fall Festival in 2024. I was just looking at this again, and was getting ready to start a thread , but you beat me to it. I've been reading over Daniel Matson's post several times and I like his logic, but I have also noticed some other interesting things playing out in the stars. I should say now that I am using Sky Map on my cell, which isn't the most advanced program, but if someone else is able to validate or invalidate with stellarium or something else, please do. In any event, I've noticed that as Venus moves towards Jupiter, Mars is creeping down kind of in front of the "womb" area of Virgo. It really begins to enter this area tomorrow (the 7th) and leaves right about the 20th of November. The symbolism certainly isn't lost on me, the Dragon standing before the woman, waiting to devour the Male child who is caught up to heaven. But I had another thought, Mars as we know symbolizes war, and it leaves that general area around the 20th when some speculate that the Tribualtion may begin in order to fulfill a Day of Atonement 2024 2nd Coming. What is also significant, is on that same day, from what I am seeing, November 20th, Venus enters Libra, could this symbolize the lamb opening the seals? I'm not the first to suggest that Mars in front of Virgo could symbolize a war for Israel, I think paulwatchmandawson may have in one of his videos. But it would all fit together nicely with the signs in the stars right? A war starting very soon, perhaps in a couple of days, perhaps the church being caught up, and a covenant confimed, and the judgement beginning on the earth. I want to be very clear, and repeat what mike said, no one is setting dates. We don't know. I also wanted to be doubly clear on something else, I'm not trying to read the stars like a horoscope, nor do I believe they have any power over anything. God has set the stars and planets in their place as signs of the reasons and of the lateness of the hour. But I would love other's opinions, even if it's to say it's a stretch or that it may have made sense in my mind but didn't translate well to paper 🤣 I see many people comment about the end of the 7 year tribulation possibly being in 2024. Can I ask where this reasoning comes from? Is it due to the 2nd total solar eclipse being in 2024, 7 years from the one this year in August? Or are there other reasons why the end of the tribulation might occur then? Just curious... |
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Post by mike on Nov 6, 2017 18:24:02 GMT -6
Hi lookup, not really anything to do with the US eclipses but more about the Jewish feasts and how they time up. There are several timeline threads floating around. I'll see if I can find one, or perhaps someone else may know and point you in the right direction. |
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Post by lookup on Nov 6, 2017 19:57:27 GMT -6
Hi lookup, not really anything to do with the US eclipses but more about the Jewish feasts and how they time up. There are several timeline threads floating around. I'll see if I can find one, or perhaps someone else may know and point you in the right direction. Oh ok! I'll look around and see if I can find the threads. Thank you! |
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Post by kjs on Nov 7, 2017 9:10:56 GMT -6
gkp:
Thank You very much -- your stage analogy -- was just the ticket -- to open my eyes -- on the "how" these additional dates play out!
No we do not know for sure -- but when you spelled it out as a play -- with each portion of the stage representing the continuing story -- it just clicked for me!
Thanks
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Post by gkp on Nov 7, 2017 11:13:12 GMT -6
Thanks, kjs!I am glad this little analogy resonated wth you. It was just what came to mind as I sat in my recliner with closed eyes and an open mind. I could use some help in taking it a bit further, if you wish. My goal is to focus on the loose ends that I personally don't feel at peace with- yet.
First of all the stage set. For us stars appear static. But they provides the context for the actors as they play out the drama. What struck me is Virgo. Most would agree she represents Israel. But it is the vessel raised up by God through Abraham through which the Mesiah would come and ultimately through whom the body of Christ would come. The reality on earth has not often matched God's heavenly vision as people rarely see how they fit into the big picture. I want to return to Israel a bit later.
Let's assume for now (holding this idea lightly) that the first conjunction that occurred on the 19th of Sept did represent the first coming of Christ and shows Him as the rightful king of the Jews. Four days later the sign of the woman fully forms in the sky. Part of the sign is the garland of twelve stars. By the way, there are two Greek words that are translated into English as crown. One refers to a diadem and represents royal power and authority. The other is stepfanos (I am writing from memory and my spelling may be off)and it is a garland of victory and a badge of honor. This is what the woman had on her head. What are mothers most proud of? Their children! So if Jesus came as the King and was beginning to build His future kingdom he needed a team. He chose twelve as apostles. The true woman of the sign would be proud of what Jesus did. Kinda like grandchildren. So far so good. But there is a potential problem.
Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of Judah. Why then did He choose Judas, whose name comes from the word Judah? Was Judas also from this tribe? Why would there be two representatives of one tribe? I wonder if Jesus set up a confrontation by this choice and people had to choose whom they would serve. Judas chose the side of the religeous power of the Pharisees and Sadducees over the choice of Jesus. He betrayed the true king based on his belief that Jesus would fail. He wanted to be part of the winning team. So this second conjunction between Venus and Mars represents this drama. Judas did not know about the resurrection. Jesus triumphed over the grave and is moving on to the next conjunction. Mars is left to do what damage he can but his efforts will not triumph.
I am writing this on my little tablet and have a very small window of text. It is hard to lay everything out as clearly as it was in my mind. Hopefully you will have some things to consider and I welcome your thoughts. I am not stuck on these thoughts - just looking for the truth. Thanks, friend, for your help!
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Post by Gary on Nov 7, 2017 11:33:07 GMT -6
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Post by yardstick on Nov 7, 2017 13:30:16 GMT -6
Thanks, kjs!I am glad this little analogy resonated wth you. It was just what came to mind as I sat in my recliner with closed eyes and an open mind. I could use some help in taking it a bit further, if you wish. My goal is to focus on the loose ends that I personally don't feel at peace with- yet. First of all the stage set. For us stars appear static. But they provides the context for the actors as they play out the drama. What struck me is Virgo. Most would agree she represents Israel. But it is the vessel raised up by God through Abraham through which the Mesiah would come and ultimately through whom the body of Christ would come. The reality on earth has not often matched God's heavenly vision as people rarely see how they fit into the big picture. I want to return to Israel a bit later. Let's assume for now (holding this idea lightly) that the first conjunction that occurred on the 19th of Sept did represent the first coming of Christ and shows Him as the rightful king of the Jews. Four days later the sign of the woman fully forms in the sky. Part of the sign is the garland of twelve stars. By the way, there are two Greek words that are translated into English as crown. One refers to a diadem and represents royal power and authority. The other is stepfanos (I am writing from memory and my spelling may be off)and it is a garland of victory and a badge of honor. This is what the woman had on her head. What are mothers most proud of? Their children! So if Jesus came as the King and was beginning to build His future kingdom he needed a team. He chose twelve as apostles. The true woman of the sign would be proud of what Jesus did. Kinda like grandchildren. So far so good. But there is a potential problem. Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of Judah. Why then did He choose Judas, whose name comes from the word Judah? Was Judas also from this tribe? Why would there be two representatives of one tribe? I wonder if Jesus set up a confrontation by this choice and people had to choose whom they would serve. Judas chose the side of the religeous power of the Pharisees and Sadducees over the choice of Jesus. He betrayed the true king based on his belief that Jesus would fail. He wanted to be part of the winning team. So this second conjunction between Venus and Mars represents this drama. Judas did not know about the resurrection. Jesus triumphed over the grave and is moving on to the next conjunction. Mars is left to do what damage he can but his efforts will not triumph. I am writing this on my little tablet and have a very small window of text. It is hard to lay everything out as clearly as it was in my mind. Hopefully you will have some things to consider and I welcome your thoughts. I am not stuck on these thoughts - just looking for the truth. Thanks, friend, for your help! This is a really intriguing analysis. I hope you can flesh out the rest of it. |
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Post by gkp on Nov 7, 2017 13:37:29 GMT -6
Thanks again Gary for adding more thoughts about the coming events in the heavens. Also for reminding us of Billy Graham's birthday. You have really got me inspired lately!
I had another thought a bit ago and rather than edit my last post, will write about it here. I wondered if maybe I was stretching a little by seeing the garland of twelve stars as relating to the twelve disciples rather than directly to the twelve tribes. On a hunch I googled images of Virgo and found it is represented by twelve main stars! It fits especially when I consider that Israel was made up of twelve tribes. So that frees up the stars of the garland to represent something else. Also makes it less important for each of these stars to relate to one of the tribes. I tried years ago to figure out which tribe matched which disciple and ran into a dead end. The possibility of Judas and Jesus both belonging to the tribe of Judah still is interesting though!
Just noticed your comment yardstick, when I posted. Thanks!
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Post by gkp on Nov 7, 2017 17:52:55 GMT -6
I hope I don't become a pest but this pursuit is of great interest to me. I noticed that both Gary and thetimeoftheend see Venus entering Libra on the 20th, apart from Jupiter. Paul Dawson offered that Venus enters Libra on the 12/13th with Jupiter. Why the discrepancy? I think it depends on the reference material you use. Stellarium shows us the 20th is the day Venus enters Libra. I googled images of Virgo and found what looks like a surveyors map of that portion of the sky. The portion of sky allotted to each constellation is larger than the area occupied by the principle stars. In fact the boundary of Virgo actually abuts the boundary of Libra with no space between. I suspect this is what Paul was using. If this is correct then the coming conjunction on the 12th happens right on this boundary line! And If this is accurate, Jupiter is Still in the official territory of Virgo. And if this is true, then it might explain those verses in Revelation 12 that talk about the child being born and then being caught up to God and His throne immediately after. Hey guys, I'm in deep water here so if I am over-reaching, please help me out!
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Post by Natalie on Nov 7, 2017 18:01:28 GMT -6
That makes sense to me  |
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