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Post by yardstick on Oct 2, 2017 21:52:27 GMT -6
ok, nevermind, I'm just using Blue letter bible online and hit the concordance and it showed that two differing words for child. made me wonder. not a scholar here. I'll show myself out. haha You did exactly the scholarly thing! You discovered something, had it peer reviewed and received additional education from those who had already discovered what you did! Have you ever seen a freshman in college trying to solve a problem, and have help and confirmation from an upper classman that they were doing it correctly? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 21:56:41 GMT -6
Jupiter has a conjunction with Mars on 6 January 2018 in the middle of the scales of justice, Libra, which I believe may indicate war and judgment....at the same time that Saturn has escaped the Restrainer, Ophiuchus, and moved into Sagittarius with Pluto, or Hades... Jupiter has a conjunction with Venus on November 12, 2017 just between the borders of Virgo and Libra. Paul Watchman has an excellent video called The Corruption of Libra and the Holy Altar, in which he states..... "An attempt by Satan to distort God's message of Salvation in the heavens. The Altar was replaced by the Weighing Scales which we see represented in the modern depiction of the constellation Libra. The sacrifice was replaced with works of righteousness. This brings new light to the Revelation Chapter 12 sign and the progression of events along the ecliptic after the sign which match up perfectly with the Book of Revelation. God's message of salvation is written in the stars!". Yes! And, the conjunction happens to occur on the exact date that Jupiter leaves the constellation Virgo, by the astronomical box.....therefore, it could represent the "birth" mentioned in Micah 5:3......the other date for "birth" is October 15th when Jupiter has clearly crossed the line between Spica and Kappa Viriginis.....therefore, there is a "birth" window in my view from 15 October to ~ 19 November, and which fits yardstick 's spreadsheet |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Oct 2, 2017 21:59:32 GMT -6
We know the man-child is caught up to the throne. Maybe it's the duration of the opening of the seals... if they are all opened within the Trib and not before. The 11 months may not signify anything, but the man-child going into Libra may. Like, the man child entering Libra may be the end of the Sign. pardon my interruption, I've been follow you all's discourse intently. I wanted to add something I notice awhile back in Rev. 12:5. The first 'child' is definitely a male child as we all know. "huios" is the word in Strong's, which designates a male child. But, the second 'child', the one who is caught up, is "teknon", which can be male or female. I just thought I'd throw that out there. I'd like to know what you all think. (obvious to me would be 'it's the us, the church') "Male child" in the Greek is "huios arsen" which is supposedly a grammatically incorrect way to write "male child" because arsen is neuter. So it's like taking the masculine out of the "male." What I understood is that John wrote it this way because that is the way the Septuagint (Greek version of Old Testament translated from Hebrew 100-300 years before Christ and version used and referred to by Jesus/apostles) rendered it in Isaiah 66. So God was showing us the verses were connected and talking about the same thing. I think the two versions of child are referring to the same child, the first was just written in such a way as to point it out and connect it elsewhere. If it had also been "teknon" we might not have made the connection with Isaiah 66, even if Isaiah 66 was also "teknon" because it's a common word in the Bible. Edit: Apparently this was answered before I could post and perhaps it's not as open & shut as I thought it was. 😊 |
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Post by yardstick on Oct 2, 2017 23:10:10 GMT -6
Jupiter has a conjunction with Venus on November 12, 2017 just between the borders of Virgo and Libra. Paul Watchman has an excellent video called The Corruption of Libra and the Holy Altar, in which he states..... "An attempt by Satan to distort God's message of Salvation in the heavens. The Altar was replaced by the Weighing Scales which we see represented in the modern depiction of the constellation Libra. The sacrifice was replaced with works of righteousness. This brings new light to the Revelation Chapter 12 sign and the progression of events along the ecliptic after the sign which match up perfectly with the Book of Revelation. God's message of salvation is written in the stars!". Yes! And, the conjunction happens to occur on the exact date that Jupiter leaves the constellation Virgo, by the astronomical box.....therefore, it could represent the "birth" mentioned in Micah 5:3......the other date for "birth" is October 15th when Jupiter has clearly crossed the line between Spica and Kappa Viriginis.....therefore, there is a "birth" window in my view from 15 October to ~ 19 November, and which fits yardstick 's spreadsheet And the possibility that Isa 66:7 refers to a pre-birth harpazo... Except that the word in the passage isnt birth. its Travailing... Zion travailing... So Isa 66:7 would be a pre-travailing harpazo... |
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 3, 2017 1:08:35 GMT -6
stormyknight, I think you have a point. The fact that the Rev. 12 sign appeared so close to a feast day plus has all these different numbers related to it definitely got a lot of people's attention. In fact it happened within a couple of weeks of all 3 fall feasts. If the point of the sign is to warn us that it is close, it definitely did that. But as you said, it also got Satan's attention. I've recently begun thinking that the vague parts of prophecy are simply to keep Satan off guard and not let him put his own plans in motion too early. Some people have said that these signs or the vague parts are to trick Satan. Think about it - He knows scripture more than anyone - He has been around since before Adam and Eve, He knows lunar cycles, He knows history, He understands the feasts - and their significance He knows how the story will end -
I think the vague parts have a lot more to do with the fact that things get lost in Translation - some concepts literally can't be translated from one culture to another. This added with the fact that the Catholic church/ Pope and Rome despised Jews and tried to eliminate every trace - thus the name Palestina - from their ancient enemy the Philistines. The Catholic church hated Jews so much they even banned circumcision. Just think how many ignorant people to this day - think there are Palestinian people. It's the old name for a geographic region, like Mid-west. Then, couple this with the fact that we have thousands of years of nations battling other nations and taking land and changing the name, and borders changing. The changes in maps alone over 500 years in Europe is Mindnumbing. ;-) Some tribal cultures have Jesus as a sacrificial Pig, and you accept him into your throat or stomach. These were Jews who understood a lunar-based system and Feasts and agricultural society and 1/3 of the early church were slaves.
Satan is busy - that is for sure, but he's not tricked or thrown off by a sign in September. He's the one who took the raw material and twisted it [***remember he can't create anything - he can only twist and pervert] and made the zodiac/ astrology.
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 3, 2017 1:35:16 GMT -6
I still see the Rev 12:1 sign as announcing the coming BIRTH. Identifying when the BIRTH is the issue in my mind (is it when Jupiter leaves Virgo completely?) I still feel in my gut (maybe just gas) -- that once the Birth happens -- the rapture will occur shortly after but it appears that will not be on a feast day..... I have no problem with that -- but suspect others will....... Hey, KJS,
The problem I see with this is that the 'birth' as it relates to the Sept alignment has already happened. Jupiter entered Virgo in November 2016 and has already left Virgo.
Also, just a question to clarify - If I understand you correctly - you're saying that the rapture could be any day. ? So you see Passover as could be fulfilled in Sept? or Oct or Nov. and Day of Atonement could be perfectly fulfilled in Feb or March - (some other day other than Day of atonement?) I'm just trying to understand that scenario. ** For the record - I think it was Silentknight or Yardstick but I am open to the possibility that all three of the remaining End Times Fall Feasts are perfectly fulfilled together at the end. We know from Zech 14 -that Feast of Booths will be perfectly fulfilled in the Millennium.
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Post by stormyknight on Oct 3, 2017 7:03:42 GMT -6
I just wondered, after all this time, about all the old scholars saying that the child in Rev. 12:5 was Yeshua when there are two different words being used in the one verse. I haven't done a lot of word studying, but I also have never heard any sermon or read any essay on this particular fact. I realize you are referencing its use in other places, but this particular verse is very important right now and I think the fact that a different word for child in the latter, being both male and female, is very significant.
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Post by kjs on Oct 3, 2017 11:47:51 GMT -6
I still see the Rev 12:1 sign as announcing the coming BIRTH. Identifying when the BIRTH is the issue in my mind (is it when Jupiter leaves Virgo completely?) I still feel in my gut (maybe just gas) -- that once the Birth happens -- the rapture will occur shortly after but it appears that will not be on a feast day..... I have no problem with that -- but suspect others will....... Hey, KJS,
The problem I see with this is that the 'birth' as it relates to the Sept alignment has already happened. Jupiter entered Virgo in November 2016 and has already left Virgo.
Also, just a question to clarify - If I understand you correctly - you're saying that the rapture could be any day. ? So you see Passover as could be fulfilled in Sept? or Oct or Nov. and Day of Atonement could be perfectly fulfilled in Feb or March - (some other day other than Day of atonement?) I'm just trying to understand that scenario. ** For the record - I think it was Silentknight or Yardstick but I am open to the possibility that all three of the remaining End Times Fall Feasts are perfectly fulfilled together at the end. We know from Zech 14 -that Feast of Booths will be perfectly fulfilled in the Millennium.
The Birth (if it represents Jupiter leaving Virgo) -- has not happen yet -- since Jupiter is still within the sign Virgo. No I am saying the rapture is NOT tied to any Feast Day -- and could happen at any time.... Not sure how you get Passover in Sept or Day of Atonement in March .... the Feast Days are SET Three in Spring / Three in Fall and one early summer. Just seem to me right now -- that the RAPTURE is no fore-shadowed by any Feast Day -- it was mystery and as a mystery was not spoken of before hand. |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Oct 3, 2017 13:28:11 GMT -6
stormyknight, I think you have a point. The fact that the Rev. 12 sign appeared so close to a feast day plus has all these different numbers related to it definitely got a lot of people's attention. In fact it happened within a couple of weeks of all 3 fall feasts. If the point of the sign is to warn us that it is close, it definitely did that. But as you said, it also got Satan's attention. I've recently begun thinking that the vague parts of prophecy are simply to keep Satan off guard and not let him put his own plans in motion too early. Some people have said that these signs or the vague parts are to trick Satan. Think about it - He knows scripture more than anyone - He has been around since before Adam and Eve, He knows lunar cycles, He knows history, He understands the feasts - and their significance He knows how the story will end -
I think the vague parts have a lot more to do with the fact that things get lost in Translation - some concepts literally can't be translated from one culture to another. This added with the fact that the Catholic church/ Pope and Rome despised Jews and tried to eliminate every trace - thus the name Palestina - from their ancient enemy the Philistines. The Catholic church hated Jews so much they even banned circumcision. Just think how many ignorant people to this day - think there are Palestinian people. It's the old name for a geographic region, like Mid-west. Then, couple this with the fact that we have thousands of years of nations battling other nations and taking land and changing the name, and borders changing. The changes in maps alone over 500 years in Europe is Mindnumbing. ;-) Some tribal cultures have Jesus as a sacrificial Pig, and you accept him into your throat or stomach. These were Jews who understood a lunar-based system and Feasts and agricultural society and 1/3 of the early church were slaves.
Satan is busy - that is for sure, but he's not tricked or thrown off by a sign in September. He's the one who took the raw material and twisted it [***remember he can't create anything - he can only twist and pervert] and made the zodiac/ astrology.
Yes and we've had 1000s of years of book/scroll burning and ancient site destruction between Rome, Catholic Church, the Islamists, Nazi Germany etc etc. A lot of things have gotten lost. Think about the 10(?) or so other books the Bible references ("Is it not written in the book of...?) which we have no copy of today except maybe Jubilees and "Jasher" and even those are contested as being legitimate. |
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 3, 2017 14:47:28 GMT -6
Hey, KJS,
The problem I see with this is that the 'birth' as it relates to the Sept alignment has already happened. Jupiter entered Virgo in November 2016 and has already left Virgo.
Also, just a question to clarify - If I understand you correctly - you're saying that the rapture could be any day. ? So you see Passover as could be fulfilled in Sept? or Oct or Nov. and Day of Atonement could be perfectly fulfilled in Feb or March - (some other day other than Day of atonement?) I'm just trying to understand that scenario. ** For the record - I think it was Silentknight or Yardstick but I am open to the possibility that all three of the remaining End Times Fall Feasts are perfectly fulfilled together at the end. We know from Zech 14 -that Feast of Booths will be perfectly fulfilled in the Millennium.
The Birth (if it represents Jupiter leaving Virgo) -- has not happen yet -- since Jupiter is still within the sign Virgo. No I am saying the rapture is NOT tied to any Feast Day -- and could happen at any time.... Not sure how you get Passover in Sept or Day of Atonement in March .... the Feast Days are SET Three in Spring / Three in Fall and one early summer. Just seem to me right now -- that the RAPTURE is no fore-shadowed by any Feast Day -- it was mystery and as a mystery was not spoken of before hand. Hey, Buddy. Thanks for the reply and the clarification. I wasn't trying to argue or be combative - just to understand. ;-) So it seems that you mean that the Feast days are set days, but that the rapture and or second coming, Tribulation etc are not tied to the Feasts.
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Post by tiffanybw on Oct 9, 2017 14:08:07 GMT -6
There have been too many "coincidence" that have all happened in a relatively short portion of time --- that still has me convinced we are in the season.... YET, the meaning of the Rev 12:1 sign -- the portion we know that happened on 9/23-24 --- has eluded us --- meaning we thought it might me rapture but since nothing is happen ... it obviously means something else..... Or like someone mentioned .... JUST a warning sign ... Bridge out ahead .... we just have not gotten far enough along passed the sign to know what the warning is relying to us......... I grew up catholic, so I'm still trying to figure out this rapture stuff. I am convinced in pre-trib, but I don't know. I want it to be pre-trib! I have no wish to see any more death and destruction and hate and despair on this Earth. But I guess what I'm wanting to say is that 'we' want to pin the rapture on a feast day, but why? It is for the Gentiles, no? And the Father would not want Satan to know when it will happen because he is waiting to devour us as soon as we are born. Also, the Rev 12 sign happened on the Feast of Trumpets, or close enough, right? Wouldn't that count as an event happening on a feast day? To me it's like "Hey, here is this sign, on this feast day, look up, pay attention now, your redemption draweth nigh! It's not coincidence! Notice all the numbers I'm putting in it. Come on people, focus!" I tell ya, if it's one thing I haven't been able to do, is focus. Especially on work. I really don't want to be here. I spend as much time as I can learning or watching for signs. My wife even commented how depressing and anxious it is living like this. We should be happy that our Saviour is coming for us, but there is that smidgen of doubt that we'll be missed, that we did something wrong, that He spit us out or that He didn't know us. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has felt that. But we keep praying and hoping. And watching. I didn't grow up Catholic, but Assemblies of God. My husband though, he grew up Catholic, and his family is Catholic. Near as I can tell, Catholic and Assemblies of God... both words based. Or, at least the AoG church I was raised in was works based. If anything, they are worse than the Catholic Church. Because they say that they are not works based and that they believe in grace by faith only... but they do not believe that. It is just something they say. Because they teach that Salvation can be lost. And, well, how else is one going to lose Salvation other than by works? They are NOT. Once a person has true Salvation, they have it FOREVER and there is not a thing that person can do to lose it. Unless, one big "only if"... they take the mark of the beast. I believe that taking that IS what the unforgivable sin spoken of in the Bible is. Most denominations are mistaken in one way or another. Reason is, they set up doctrine for their denomination. And the doctrine that they set up, it is man made. I've been deceived so many times by so many various "denominations", that I tend to steer clear of all of it. I don't go to any brick and mortar church. I don't think it is wrong to, for those who do. But I do think that one has to do, what we all should do, which is to read God's Word for ourselves. And ask God to remove all that is false, all that is placed there by mankind, to remove it all from our minds and our hearts. Then, to teach us Himself through His Holy Spirit. After praying that, open up the Bible and get to it! He will do AMAZING things that you will not believe except that you have to because you have been taught directly by Jesus Christ Himself, and blessed directly by Jesus Himself. Miracle after miracle and blessing after blessing! Direct from the Source which is not a brick and mortar church, but is God!  |
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