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Post by moonedone on Sept 25, 2017 9:52:44 GMT -6
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Post by mike on Sept 25, 2017 10:00:37 GMT -6
moonedone No I am not familiar. I am more familiar with the faithfulness of God. You example really makes no sense to me, perhaps its me. The sun will rise because the Lord has ordained it to do so. Not because of some flawed reasoning. Please provide valid biblical references to support your theory or Hume's theory Ecc 1:5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.He would have told us it wouldn't. In fact He has told when it wouldn't shine again DURING THE TRIBULATION! Which most believe we have not entered into just yet. There are some that think it's about to start. In either case the sun will be blackened, doesnt mean it wont rise either. Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days: ‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its lightYour logic is flawed as it appears based on the example to ignore biblical principles. God is not random. If He said it'll come to pass and He'll make it good. Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
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Post by moonedone on Sept 25, 2017 10:16:01 GMT -6
I don't have any biblical evidence for hume's theory, just logical reasons. If that is not good enough for you then that's 100% ok! Everyone is free to believe what they want to beleive. Maybe what you say seems true to you so you believe in it, maybe what I say seems false, so you're using your intuition, that is fine. Everyone's free 100%.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 10:27:06 GMT -6
I am so happy to know that we do not serve a philosopher - but instead, we serve a risen Savior who also happens to be the creator of all things.
He can stop the sun in mid day - and has.
He can turn water into wine - and has.
He can stop the sea and wind from roaring - and has.
He can heal a deadly disease - and has.
All of these things, and many others, are beyond our ability to schedule, understand, or turn into philosophical mechanisms.
Those of us who have have come to know God know that he is beyond reason. At the same time - we know that He limits himself to the character that he has prescribed for himself. Perhaps this is one way that He makes himself accessible to finite minds.
The Walk with our Lord means we have come to understand both aspects of His nature. This is why we trust him, while at the same time, believe in the impossible.
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Post by mike on Sept 25, 2017 10:35:07 GMT -6
I don't have any biblical evidence for hume's theory, just logical reasons. If that is not good enough for you then that's 100% ok! Everyone is free to believe what they want to beleive. Maybe what you say seems true to you so you believe in it, maybe what I say seems false, so you're using your intuition, that is fine. Everyone's free 100%. More error sir...I dont mean to sound combative so please understand my intent. Everyone is free to believe what they want to believe and it is ok, but that doesnt mean what one believes is true. My belief here is not one of intuition but one of faith in God and what He says. He is the one who sets the standard, not me, not you, not the Unsealed site, HIM and HIM alone. He addresses our error in the scriptures Proverbs 14:12 says " There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death." Proverbs 12:15 says " The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, But a wise man is he who listens to counsel." Proverbs 30:12 " There is a kind who is pure in his own eyes, Yet is not washed from his filthiness." This in my opinion is the generation we are living in. Everything is acceptable as long as you feel good about it, as long as it makes sense to you. WRONG, WRONG DEAD WRONG!! |
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Post by Gary on Sept 25, 2017 10:39:37 GMT -6
Really good discussion here and I'm encouraged by it. I'll just echo some points and maybe add a few:
1. As much as the media wanted to pin the "end of the world" tail on the donkey, literally no one - including this David Meade fellow - were saying the world was going to end. Basically everyone I can think of was saying this was the Revelation 12:1-2 sign and it meant that we were now entering or nearing the Tribulation, which is a drawn out period of time. Now there was definitely speculation that the rapture might happen anytime between 9/20 and 9/24, but Scottie Clarke, myself, others, were careful to say it was speculation and not date setting.
But mockers gonna' mock and haters gonna' hate. Thus they fulfill two important Scriptures:
Unbelievers - 2 Peter 3:3-7:
Those who claim to be God's servants, yet hate their brethren - Matthew 24:45-51:
Now, what I think we've seen in the past few days is the surprising relevance of this passage in Matthew. Remember, Matthew 24 is always the "go to" passage for "no one knows the day or hour", but here we see sort of a parallel to 1 Thessalonians 5:3-4 and Revelation 3:3. The wicked don't get it and Jesus comes like a thief - they don't know the day or hour. But the righteous are longing for the Lord and are aware. Perhaps they don't know a very specific date, but they are keenly aware that the time is at hand and so Jesus does not come like a thief for them - they sense the day and hour (1 Thess. 5:4, Heb. 10:25, Rev. 3:3).
All Scripture has to be accounted for and a blind repeat of "no one knows" at the expense of everything else just doesn't make sense.
2. I was definitely discouraged for a short time this past week, but my hope is not in a date - it's in Christ and I know beyond a shadow of a doubt He is coming soon. The signs are here. Right now. Like never before. When I go back and look at what I wrote in 2015 and even early this year - my two most popular articles about the Revelation 12 Sign, even then I was saying we don't know if the rapture would happen on 9/23 (or 9/21 or 9/22 for that matter). This was an incredible and unmistakable sign for those who have eyes to see and value taking prophecy literally.
3. A Jubilee rapture or Tabernacles is looking increasingly likely. It's never "thus saith the LORD", but God is revealing more and more to the Church as we near the rapture.
4. The moon under her feet: the moon was perfectly positioned under Virgo's feet on the 23rd if you consider her to be laying down, but if you fast forward to the first-half of the 24th, the moon was quite literally under her feet from a vertical perspective, as well (and not just to the right). Clarke, Brad, and I all discussed this - you can punch in the date in Stellarium or on a phone app and see for yourself.
Blessings all!
Keeping looking up,
Gary
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Post by yardstick on Sept 25, 2017 10:41:40 GMT -6
Guys!
Romans 12:3-8,10-13,16-18 okay?
Don't be a stumbling block for your brothers/sisters!
2 Cor 6:1-4
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Post by Rick on Sept 25, 2017 11:09:34 GMT -6
I so love the book of Romans, it is so rich!
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Post by grandpaskitzo on Sept 25, 2017 11:24:08 GMT -6
Philosophy is cool and all, but you can't let it detract from the truth of God's Word. God doesn't break His promises. Seek God before you start filling yourself with man's wisdom...which is foolishness to God.
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Post by whatif on Sept 25, 2017 15:13:28 GMT -6
moonedone No I am not familiar. I am more familiar with the faithfulness of God. You example really makes no sense to me, perhaps its me. The sun will rise because the Lord has ordained it to do so. Not because of some flawed reasoning. Please provide valid biblical references to support your theory or Hume's theory Ecc 1:5 The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.He would have told us it wouldn't. In fact He has told when it wouldn't shine again DURING THE TRIBULATION! Which most believe we have not entered into just yet. There are some that think it's about to start. In either case the sun will be blackened, doesnt mean it wont rise either. Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days: ‘The sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its lightYour logic is flawed as it appears based on the example to ignore biblical principles. God is not random. If He said it'll come to pass and He'll make it good. Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? Right, mike! Our God is a God of order and has established the universe according to His perfect plan. I do believe that everything that happens in this universe--from the orbits of planets and moons to the events happening on this earth--are all happening in the realm of His plan, not by sudden whimsies on God's part, but by His all-knowing purpose. |
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Post by whatif on Sept 25, 2017 15:15:15 GMT -6
I am so happy to know that we do not serve a philosopher - but instead, we serve a risen Savior who also happens to be the creator of all things. He can stop the sun in mid day - and has. He can turn water into wine - and has. He can stop the sea and wind from roaring - and has. He can heal a deadly disease - and has. All of these things, and many others, are beyond our ability to schedule, understand, or turn into philosophical mechanisms. Those of us who have have come to know God know that he is beyond reason. At the same time - we know that He limits himself to the character that he has prescribed for himself. Perhaps this is one way that He makes himself accessible to finite minds. The Walk with our Lord means we have come to understand both aspects of His nature. This is why we trust him, while at the same time, believe in the impossible. Well said, silentknight! |
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Post by Rick on Sept 25, 2017 17:21:01 GMT -6
I am so happy to know that we do not serve a philosopher - but instead, we serve a risen Savior who also happens to be the creator of all things. He can stop the sun in mid day - and has. He can turn water into wine - and has. He can stop the sea and wind from roaring - and has. He can heal a deadly disease - and has. Hey I'm sorry @silentknight , every time I see your name on a post I begin to sing..... your name is just infectious! and I do so agree with your post.  Edit: He can raise from the dead - and has! |
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Post by mike on Sept 25, 2017 18:19:45 GMT -6
moonedone I just wanted to say that I went back and re-read your original post and wanted to offer an apology if I came across a tad harsh. You said in there that you 100% believe and I obviously missed that part and reacted to some of the other aspects. Not justifying it but over the last few days there have been some of our brothers and sisters that have been upset. My nature is to "stand up for others" is just how I'm wired. So when I read the opener it set the tone for me. Acts 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 18:30:33 GMT -6
I am so happy to know that we do not serve a philosopher - but instead, we serve a risen Savior who also happens to be the creator of all things. He can stop the sun in mid day - and has. He can turn water into wine - and has. He can stop the sea and wind from roaring - and has. He can heal a deadly disease - and has. Hey I'm sorry @silentknight , every time I see your name on a post I begin to sing..... your name is just infectious! and I do so agree with your post. Edit: He can raise from the dead - and has! Sing away! My mission is accomplished!  |
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Post by moonedone on Sept 26, 2017 3:24:15 GMT -6
I don't have any biblical evidence for hume's theory, just logical reasons. If that is not good enough for you then that's 100% ok! Everyone is free to believe what they want to beleive. Maybe what you say seems true to you so you believe in it, maybe what I say seems false, so you're using your intuition, that is fine. Everyone's free 100%. More error sir...I dont mean to sound combative so please understand my intent. Everyone is free to believe what they want to believe and it is ok, but that doesnt mean what one believes is true. My belief here is not one of intuition but one of faith in God and what He says. He is the one who sets the standard, not me, not you, not the Unsealed site, HIM and HIM alone. He addresses our error in the scriptures Proverbs 14:12 says " There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death." Proverbs 12:15 says " The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, But a wise man is he who listens to counsel." Proverbs 30:12 " There is a kind who is pure in his own eyes, Yet is not washed from his filthiness." This in my opinion is the generation we are living in. Everything is acceptable as long as you feel good about it, as long as it makes sense to you. WRONG, WRONG DEAD WRONG!! Well ok I was trying to be diplomatic. I actually do agree with you tho so thank you for the correction. There IS a right and a wrong! So I will re-write my post in a different way, I take what I said back. Thank you. You have disagreed with what I had written in the OP. That is ok, that is why I made the topic, for us to discuss. However, you did not give any valid REASON as to why I was wrong. You offered what, to me, looks to be a circular argument. I went over this in detail in my last posts, so I will not repeat it here. I even posted a link explaining what a circular argument is. I wonder if you have even read Hume's theory? Because that was the basis for my point in the OP. You disagreed with the point which is OK. But you have not disagreed with my logic for that point! And in this you have fallen in error. Do you understand this? I may have slightly edited the post while you were writing yours, so perhaps there was a misunderstanding? Then you made another post and you basically said, "I am not familiar with hume's theory. Do you have any biblical proof?" and then, you basically you posted a few verses from the bible. So you're saying, "You're wrong and I'm right because the bible says so." But we are grown men. You can think I am wrong but you must provide logical basis for what the bible says, otherwise, you have failed to defend the bible you so dearly love. I am not saying you are wrong, or that the bible is wrong, but I am saying you failed to defend the bible using logic. That's all. I may fail to defend that the Earth is round against a flat earther, it doesn't make the earth flat. But you didn't give any valid arguments! You have said a lot but I haven't seen a refutation for Hume's theory yet. Do you have anything or not??? You yourself decided to come into this discussion. So let's hear your logic sir. So far you have not provided any. Again, "You're wrong because it says so in the bible" is simply not enough. You also said, "Your example is wrong because it contradicts biblical principles." This is not logic! This is not worthy of grown men. I actually don't even necessarily agree myself with Hume's theory, I only posted it for speculation. But I have given reasons for it. You said, "Your example makse no sense to me, perhaps it is just me". This doesn't prove that my argument is wrong, only that you do not understand it. If you don't reply with a valid reason in your next post, then you give me no choice but to withdraw from this discussion. I've given logical reasons from my very first post. Right or wrong I gave the logic. So here's where I make my correction: Even if you are wrong, I still love you anyways! Hate the sin love the sinner. "Sept 26, 2017 1:19:45 GMT 1 mike said: moonedone I just wanted to say that I went back and re-read your original post and wanted to offer an apology if I came across a tad harsh. You said in there that you 100% believe and I obviously missed that part and reacted to some of the other aspects. Not justifying it but over the last few days there have been some of our brothers and sisters that have been upset. My nature is to "stand up for others" is just how I'm wired. So when I read the opener it set the tone for me. Acts 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul " Thank you! Apology accepted. I hope that I didn't come across as harsh in this post as well. But I might add that even if I didnt believe, it's no reason to be treated harshly. |
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