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Post by moonedone on Sept 24, 2017 15:37:50 GMT -6
Hi all, first post, mods forgive me if it's not the right place but I think this is important- you can delete the topic if you want to. Many people woke up on the 23rd with their hearts torn out, destroyed, CRUSHED. They thought that Heaven was going to come. It did not. They anticipated the special date for YEARS in some cases- months in most cases. thanks to youtube. Little by little the feeling increases, that anxiety or anticipation!... day by day it's coming closer, the grand finale!... but you have a feeling in your heart that something may not be right, you're not sure!... but you give yourself in anyways... you give in you let go... to hope... only to have the hope destroyed. Then you are tired, exhausted. WAIT! Maybe it's on the 24th! Or there's another clue, so maybe it's next week after all. Maybe now it can happen in any day- this sign HAD TO happen before the rapture could happen!... now it's any day!!... but we had already believed previously that it could have been any day, anyways. The crushing weight of your heart falling upon you, and your hopes and dreams destroyed... This is something that no one should ever have to feel! A most artrocious feeling indeed. How many times have we been wrong so far? I know some of you were only speculating, ok, but for many it was this crushing feeling it seems. I know I felt it before. Yet we keep coming back. Chasing the dragon. Y2K, 2012, Camping, ISON, the blood moons, but THIS TIME IT WILL BE DIFFERENT! This time the sign is REALLY good! The other times- we were wrong, obviously! But this time the evidence is way stronger!! To me, this seems almost like a drug addict right? Or someone stuck in a vicious cycle, an abuse relationship, going through DENIAL or something. Perhaps it is simply a thing that human beings do, for some reason. But when I think about it, it all is a bit strange. See, I think that the rapture or whatever you want to call it may happen TOMORROW. It may happen in 10 years! It may happen in any time whatsoever. God does what he wants to do. God can even change reality itself, god can make it 11/11/1111 TOMORROW and none of us would know. A perfect date. God can make an eclipse happen tomorrow. At least potentially. God can do what he wants to do, who are we to say that tomorrow it will be September 25rd? How do I know that the future will be like the past? (David Hume's induction problems are nice.) Is it not strange that when we set a date, say, october 30, we are limiting ourselves? Then it can't happen on october 25. In a certain way, setting dates means we LOSE hope, right? To hell with someone who says that the rapture will happen tomorrow! You're telling me it can't happen in one hour's time? Then there's no more excitement. As we are right now, at any time it can happen. Any time, guys! Like a thief in the night. But if it's set to happen on october 12, because of some special event in the heavens, then I'm anxious. Will it happen or not? Maybe I got it wrong. At what timezone is it going to happen? It's already tomorrow in australia. What calendar should we follow? Furthermore, if there's no special sign in the heavens, aren't we saying to God that he CAN'T make a rapture on that day? We're saying to god, hey god, you must WAIT for the eclipse! Why, november 9th is just another day God. You'd be stupid to pick the rapture's date there. (But if it happens on a bland date, would you be angry?). But isn't Jesus about being humble as well? I think it's quite cool, the Lord's day may be just another random day. No eclipse, no alignment in the heavens, nothing out of the ordinary happening. Just another random day. Except it's the best day ever in history! To me that's cool! Humbleness! God makes the normal become awesome. Or maybe God is like a celestial king, waiting for his red carpet to come along to the Earth. That's a bit presumptuous, tho! People look and look for the signs, the special numerology. It's almost as if we believe that if we don't find it, then the rapture can not happen. Guys, the rapture's gonna happen weather we found these codes or we didn't! Weather we decoded the bible or not! The signs were already there- we didn't make them up, we just uncovered them. And we were wrong sometimes. Maybe god has an even better numerology lined up, or maybe he doesn't care at all. The ways of our father are not our ways. Whatever happens shall be perfect. Who are we to judge? If I were god I'd do it in an eclipse, it seems cool like that. But also, I would have stopped all evil, I wouldn't have let the Earth be corrupted and polluted (metaphorically and in reality.) But I trust God knows the best, right? Or it's almost like we believe that if we do find the codes, THEN the rapture can happen. Like we are giving God permission to do the rapture, now that we have found the codes. Almost like we're saying to god, hey, now you must make the rapture on that day, because it's so perfect. FORCING god to act. What do we have to gain by finding these codes, really? It's stressing us out, the many of us, this is what I see. The ones who don't believe do not believe anyways. They will just laugh and believe even less if (when) it does not happen. The ones that believe- they believe already! Yes, we are learning more about numerology, more about the bible. But I fear that this has become an addiction of sorts. Let's find the perfect "high", the perfect code. This has deceived us all! I worry for people, this is why I have done this topic, to get some people out there to reconsider the way they spend their time. Maybe it's better to learn about theology. To philosophize about god. If we have the amazing arguments, then we can even influence people to believe in God! Sometimes we can come off as crackpots to people watching. (Especially when we fail.) I suggest to some people, MODERATE this code finding thing! There's always more and more to uncover. Just spend very little time on this, if any. Or at least think about some of the stuff I have written here. Personally, I was never on board with this revelation 12 sign. One big thing for instance "WITH THE MOON UNDER HER FEET." But the moon was on the right of the woman's feet in stellarium. Some have said the woman was laying down and it was a cushion. But then how is the woman going to give birth, laying down like that, horizontally? (EDIT: To clarify, I meant layind down on her side. I've read that only 4% of women give birth like that. And why the cushion to support her?). I never understood this part. Also, it was beneth her FEET not one foot. (To the side the other leg would have to be up. So, it'd be beneath her foot and not feet.)And then, beneath her feet could mean standing on top of the moon, the most natural interpretation. Why wasn't it like that? The moon slightly below and in the middle of the two feet of Virgo? And it was all in STELLARIUM, you could have drawn this in any other way. It was just an artist's depiction of the constellation of virgo.  As you can see without the Artist's drawing over it (Does god approve of stellarium as the official program he uses to give out his messages?) if there's a torso and legs there, it should have been in the middle of the two legs, in my opinion IN CONCLUSION: I wrote this blog post out of compassion for the many hearts shattered due to this prediction not having come to pass. GUYS, I THINK THAT IT WILL COME SOON. I am a believer 100%! But for one, I will be skeptical of future predictions: I have many a failed ones in the past, it was comet ison, it was 2012, ETC. Maybe all of this is a test from god, some kind of test, or something. Or a trick from satan. Have you ever considered this? Perhaps, who knows. Or do you think that these predictions are helping people to come to christianity or helping them somehow? Do you think they are helping YOU out, personally? Or are you getting more distraught? I worry for some of you guys and girls. Maybe this is not for everyone. It's all up to you to decide, decide what makes you feel the best, these are just my thoughts and I hope you liked it and that I made you think!  The bible says no man will know the hour. Maybe god left no clues. Maybe god doesn't want us to know, for some reason. why not? And it says, only our father in heaven knows. But maybe god hasn't decided yet, could it be like that? Why not? Some open ended philosophical questions to finish the post. The day shall come like a thief in the night, guys. It's what I think at this present moment in time. I could be wrong. 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Post by Connie on Sept 24, 2017 16:24:23 GMT -6
Welcome to the board, Moonedone. We've been expecting you  |
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Post by moonedone on Sept 24, 2017 16:40:02 GMT -6
Thanks!! Sorry if I sound a bit judgemental on my post, I have nothing against date-setting per se, but I do worry over the well being of the people on this bandwagon. If I have any clues I promise to post them; just be careful about this stuff will you?
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Post by spacethinker on Sept 24, 2017 17:02:46 GMT -6
...I have nothing against date-setting per se, ... OK, so you're saying it's DEFINITELY on Oct. 31 at noon Eastern time? KIDDING! I'm KIDDING! I agree that some of the "codes" feel a little numerology-ish to me, based on Strong's concordance, etc... Also with the year 5777 (now 5778), especially since that may not even be the right year, I read somewhere the calendar could be off by as much as 250 years. If we knew when 5993 was coming around, it'd be easy! Personally I think the sign was the sign described, it seems too perfect to be a coincidence, and it's proximity to the feast days made that the best guess that we've seen so far, so it's hard not to get drawn into that. We know that there are other things that haven't happened yet, such as the 3rd temple, 7 year peace treaty, world govt, etc... but then again those might be post-rapture. It sure feels like the season of the end. |
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Post by anonymouse on Sept 24, 2017 17:09:26 GMT -6
Hi all, first post, mods forgive me if it's not the right place but I think this is important- you can delete the topic if you want to. Many people woke up on the 23rd with their hearts torn out, destroyed, CRUSHED. They thought that Heaven was going to come. It did not. They anticipated the special date for YEARS in some cases- months in most cases. thanks to youtube. Little by little the feeling increases, that anxiety or anticipation!... day by day it's coming closer, the grand finale!... but you have a feeling in your heart that something may not be right, you're not sure!... but you give yourself in anyways... you give in you let go... to hope... only to have the hope destroyed. Then you are tired, exhausted. WAIT! Maybe it's on the 24th! Or there's another clue, so maybe it's next week after all. Maybe now it can happen in any day- this sign HAD TO happen before the rapture could happen!... now it's any day!!... but we had already believed previously that it could have been any day, anyways. The crushing weight of your heart falling upon you, and your hopes and dreams destroyed... This is something that no one should ever have to feel! A most artrocious feeling indeed. How many times have we been wrong so far? I know some of you were only speculating, ok, but for many it was this crushing feeling it seems. I know I felt it before. Yet we keep coming back. Chasing the dragon. Y2K, 2012, Camping, ISON, the blood moons, but THIS TIME IT WILL BE DIFFERENT! This time the sign is REALLY good! The other times- we were wrong, obviously! But this time the evidence is way stronger!! To me, this seems almost like a drug addict right? Or someone stuck in a vicious cycle, an abuse relationship, going through DENIAL or something. Perhaps it is simply a thing that human beings do, for some reason. But when I think about it, it all is a bit strange. See, I think that the rapture or whatever you want to call it may happen TOMORROW. It may happen in 10 years! It may happen in any time whatsoever. God does what he wants to do. God can even change reality itself, god can make it 11/11/1111 TOMORROW and none of us would know. A perfect date. God can make an eclipse happen tomorrow. At least potentially. God can do what he wants to do, who are we to say that tomorrow it will be September 25rd? How do I know that the future will be like the past? (David Hume's induction problems are nice.) Is it not strange that when we set a date, say, october 30, we are limiting ourselves? Then it can't happen on october 25. In a certain way, setting dates means we LOSE hope, right? To hell with someone who says that the rapture will happen tomorrow! You're telling me it can't happen in one hour's time? Then there's no more excitement. As we are right now, at any time it can happen. Any time, guys! Like a thief in the night. But if it's set to happen on october 12, because of some special event in the heavens, then I'm anxious. Will it happen or not? Maybe I got it wrong. At what timezone is it going to happen? It's already tomorrow in australia. What calendar should we follow? Furthermore, if there's no special sign in the heavens, aren't we saying to God that he CAN'T make a rapture on that day? We're saying to god, hey god, you must WAIT for the eclipse! Why, november 9th is just another day God. You'd be stupid to pick the rapture's date there. (But if it happens on a bland date, would you be angry?). But isn't Jesus about being humble as well? I think it's quite cool, the Lord's day may be just another random day. No eclipse, no alignment in the heavens, nothing out of the ordinary happening. Just another random day. Except it's the best day ever in history! To me that's cool! Humbleness! God makes the normal become awesome. Or maybe God is like a celestial king, waiting for his red carpet to come along to the Earth. That's a bit presumptuous, tho! People look and look for the signs, the special numerology. It's almost as if we believe that if we don't find it, then the rapture can not happen. Guys, the rapture's gonna happen weather we found these codes or we didn't! Weather we decoded the bible or not! The signs were already there- we didn't make them up, we just uncovered them. And we were wrong sometimes. Maybe god has an even better numerology lined up, or maybe he doesn't care at all. The ways of our father are not our ways. Whatever happens shall be perfect. Who are we to judge? If I were god I'd do it in an eclipse, it seems cool like that. But also, I would have stopped all evil, I wouldn't have let the Earth be corrupted and polluted (metaphorically and in reality.) But I trust God knows the best, right? Or it's almost like we believe that if we do find the codes, THEN the rapture can happen. Like we are giving God permission to do the rapture, now that we have found the codes. Almost like we're saying to god, hey, now you must make the rapture on that day, because it's so perfect. FORCING god to act. What do we have to gain by finding these codes, really? It's stressing us out, the many of us, this is what I see. The ones who don't believe do not believe anyways. They will just laugh and believe even less if (when) it does not happen. The ones that believe- they believe already! Yes, we are learning more about numerology, more about the bible. But I fear that this has become an addiction of sorts. Let's find the perfect "high", the perfect code. This has deceived us all! I worry for people, this is why I have done this topic, to get some people out there to reconsider the way they spend their time. Maybe it's better to learn about theology. To philosophize about god. If we have the amazing arguments, then we can even influence people to believe in God! Sometimes we can come off as crackpots to people watching. (Especially when we fail.) I suggest to some people, MODERATE this code finding thing! There's always more and more to uncover. Just spend very little time on this, if any. Or at least think about some of the stuff I have written here. Personally, I was never on board with this revelation 12 sign. One big thing for instance "WITH THE MOON UNDER HER FEET." But the moon was on the right of the woman's feet in stellarium. Some have said the woman was laying down and it was a cushion. But then how is the woman going to give birth, laying down like that, horizontally? I never understood this part. Also, it was beneth her FEET not one foot. And then, beneath her feet could mean standing on top of the moon, the most natural interpretation. Why wasn't it like that? The moon slightly below and in the middle of the two feet of Virgo? And it was all in STELLARIUM, you could have drawn this in any other way. It was just an artist's depiction of the constellation of virgo. View AttachmentAs you can see without the Artist's drawing over it (Does god approve of stellarium as the official program he uses to give out his messages?) if there's a torso and legs there, it should have been in the middle of the two legs, in my opinion IN CONCLUSION: I wrote this blog post out of compassion for the many hearts shattered due to this prediction not having come to pass. GUYS, I THINK THAT IT WILL COME SOON. I am a believer 100%! But for one, I will be skeptical of future predictions: I have many a failed ones in the past, it was comet ison, it was 2012, ETC. Maybe all of this is a test from god, some kind of test, or something. Or a trick from satan. Have you ever considered this? Perhaps, who knows. Or do you think that these predictions are helping people to come to christianity or helping them somehow? Do you think they are helping YOU out, personally? Or are you getting more distraught? I worry for some of you guys and girls. Maybe this is not for everyone. It's all up to you to decide, decide what makes you feel the best, these are just my thoughts and I hope you liked it and that I made you think! The bible says no man will know the hour. Maybe god left no clues. Maybe god doesn't want us to know, for some reason. why not? And it says, only our father in heaven knows. But maybe god hasn't decided yet, could it be like that? Why not? Some open ended philosophical questions to finish the post. The day shall come like a thief in the night, guys. It's what I think at this present moment in time. I could be wrong. Anyway thanks for reading my post! Good luck to all. YHWH has a pattern, He never does something without warning first. We can see that through out the bible. If im wrong correct me. |
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Post by Rick on Sept 24, 2017 21:19:26 GMT -6
Hi all, first post, mods forgive me if it's not the right place but I think this is important- you can delete the topic if you want to. Many people woke up on the 23rd with their hearts torn out, destroyed, CRUSHED. They thought that Heaven was going to come. It did not. They anticipated the special date for YEARS in some cases- months in most cases. thanks to youtube. Little by little the feeling increases, that anxiety or anticipation!... day by day it's coming closer, the grand finale!... but you have a feeling in your heart that something may not be right, you're not sure!... but you give yourself in anyways... you give in you let go... to hope... only to have the hope destroyed. Then you are tired, exhausted. WAIT! Maybe it's on the 24th! Or there's another clue, so maybe it's next week after all. Maybe now it can happen in any day- this sign HAD TO happen before the rapture could happen!... now it's any day!!... but we had already believed previously that it could have been any day, anyways. The crushing weight of your heart falling upon you, and your hopes and dreams destroyed... This is something that no one should ever have to feel! A most artrocious feeling indeed. How many times have we been wrong so far? I know some of you were only speculating, ok, but for many it was this crushing feeling it seems. I know I felt it before. Yet we keep coming back. Chasing the dragon. Y2K, 2012, Camping, ISON, the blood moons, but THIS TIME IT WILL BE DIFFERENT! This time the sign is REALLY good! The other times- we were wrong, obviously! But this time the evidence is way stronger!! To me, this seems almost like a drug addict right? Or someone stuck in a vicious cycle, an abuse relationship, going through DENIAL or something. Perhaps it is simply a thing that human beings do, for some reason. But when I think about it, it all is a bit strange. See, I think that the rapture or whatever you want to call it may happen TOMORROW. It may happen in 10 years! It may happen in any time whatsoever. God does what he wants to do. God can even change reality itself, god can make it 11/11/1111 TOMORROW and none of us would know. A perfect date. God can make an eclipse happen tomorrow. At least potentially. God can do what he wants to do, who are we to say that tomorrow it will be September 25rd? How do I know that the future will be like the past? (David Hume's induction problems are nice.) Is it not strange that when we set a date, say, october 30, we are limiting ourselves? Then it can't happen on october 25. In a certain way, setting dates means we LOSE hope, right? To hell with someone who says that the rapture will happen tomorrow! You're telling me it can't happen in one hour's time? Then there's no more excitement. As we are right now, at any time it can happen. Any time, guys! Like a thief in the night. But if it's set to happen on october 12, because of some special event in the heavens, then I'm anxious. Will it happen or not? Maybe I got it wrong. At what timezone is it going to happen? It's already tomorrow in australia. What calendar should we follow? Furthermore, if there's no special sign in the heavens, aren't we saying to God that he CAN'T make a rapture on that day? We're saying to god, hey god, you must WAIT for the eclipse! Why, november 9th is just another day God. You'd be stupid to pick the rapture's date there. (But if it happens on a bland date, would you be angry?). But isn't Jesus about being humble as well? I think it's quite cool, the Lord's day may be just another random day. No eclipse, no alignment in the heavens, nothing out of the ordinary happening. Just another random day. Except it's the best day ever in history! To me that's cool! Humbleness! God makes the normal become awesome. Or maybe God is like a celestial king, waiting for his red carpet to come along to the Earth. That's a bit presumptuous, tho! People look and look for the signs, the special numerology. It's almost as if we believe that if we don't find it, then the rapture can not happen. Guys, the rapture's gonna happen weather we found these codes or we didn't! Weather we decoded the bible or not! The signs were already there- we didn't make them up, we just uncovered them. And we were wrong sometimes. Maybe god has an even better numerology lined up, or maybe he doesn't care at all. The ways of our father are not our ways. Whatever happens shall be perfect. Who are we to judge? If I were god I'd do it in an eclipse, it seems cool like that. But also, I would have stopped all evil, I wouldn't have let the Earth be corrupted and polluted (metaphorically and in reality.) But I trust God knows the best, right? Or it's almost like we believe that if we do find the codes, THEN the rapture can happen. Like we are giving God permission to do the rapture, now that we have found the codes. Almost like we're saying to god, hey, now you must make the rapture on that day, because it's so perfect. FORCING god to act. What do we have to gain by finding these codes, really? It's stressing us out, the many of us, this is what I see. The ones who don't believe do not believe anyways. They will just laugh and believe even less if (when) it does not happen. The ones that believe- they believe already! Yes, we are learning more about numerology, more about the bible. But I fear that this has become an addiction of sorts. Let's find the perfect "high", the perfect code. This has deceived us all! I worry for people, this is why I have done this topic, to get some people out there to reconsider the way they spend their time. Maybe it's better to learn about theology. To philosophize about god. If we have the amazing arguments, then we can even influence people to believe in God! Sometimes we can come off as crackpots to people watching. (Especially when we fail.) I suggest to some people, MODERATE this code finding thing! There's always more and more to uncover. Just spend very little time on this, if any. Or at least think about some of the stuff I have written here. Personally, I was never on board with this revelation 12 sign. One big thing for instance "WITH THE MOON UNDER HER FEET." But the moon was on the right of the woman's feet in stellarium. Some have said the woman was laying down and it was a cushion. But then how is the woman going to give birth, laying down like that, horizontally? I never understood this part. Also, it was beneth her FEET not one foot. And then, beneath her feet could mean standing on top of the moon, the most natural interpretation. Why wasn't it like that? The moon slightly below and in the middle of the two feet of Virgo? And it was all in STELLARIUM, you could have drawn this in any other way. It was just an artist's depiction of the constellation of virgo. As you can see without the Artist's drawing over it (Does god approve of stellarium as the official program he uses to give out his messages?) if there's a torso and legs there, it should have been in the middle of the two legs, in my opinion IN CONCLUSION: I wrote this blog post out of compassion for the many hearts shattered due to this prediction not having come to pass. GUYS, I THINK THAT IT WILL COME SOON. I am a believer 100%! But for one, I will be skeptical of future predictions: I have many a failed ones in the past, it was comet ison, it was 2012, ETC. Maybe all of this is a test from god, some kind of test, or something. Or a trick from satan. Have you ever considered this? Perhaps, who knows. Or do you think that these predictions are helping people to come to christianity or helping them somehow? Do you think they are helping YOU out, personally? Or are you getting more distraught? I worry for some of you guys and girls. Maybe this is not for everyone. It's all up to you to decide, decide what makes you feel the best, these are just my thoughts and I hope you liked it and that I made you think! The bible says no man will know the hour. Maybe god left no clues. Maybe god doesn't want us to know, for some reason. why not? And it says, only our father in heaven knows. But maybe god hasn't decided yet, could it be like that? Why not? Some open ended philosophical questions to finish the post. The day shall come like a thief in the night, guys. It's what I think at this present moment in time. I could be wrong. Anyway thanks for reading my post! Good luck to all. Hey moonedone , you make some very valid points and I won't try to address all of them here. Let me ask you maybe one question. Yeshua tells us to watch so He doesn't come for us watching as a "thief in the night". Do you honestly think that if He told the people of His first coming to the very day, and He expected them to know and even rebuked the Pharisees for not knowing that He would not tell us the time of His second coming? (catching away) I have never set a specific date myself but have been hopeful several times in my life including this time. God Bless~ 2Ti 2:15 |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 24, 2017 22:56:07 GMT -6
I was going to say the same as Rick above. Essentially: if there's nothing to watch for then why are we told you watch?
I was not crushed. Maybe a little disappointed the rapture didn't occur but mostly disappointed that the mockers and scoffers aren't eating their feet right now. I will be vindicated in that one day. 😊
It was inevitable that the Rev 12:1-2 sign would cause people to "set a date" if not verbally but mentally for the possibility of the rapture, because the rapture is three verses later in the text. Nobody could control this apart from ignoring the Sign altogether. PEOPLE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN CHOICES AND RESPONSES. If they are crushed, maybe they put too much faith in the assumed interpretation of the Sign instead of just waiting to see what would happen. If they fall way from the faith because of disillusionment or disappointment, maybe their faith is not very strong or even placed in the right Person. If they didn't believe and now believe even less, why did they care anyway if they didn't believe in the first place? Sorry, if that sounds harsh, but I'm not nor should anyone else take the blame for thinking out loud or for proclaiming a sign God put in the sky. If someone was teaching that the rapture MUST occur on the day of the alignment, then they are at fault, but everyone who believed is at fault also. God gave them brains to be used, but too often people just accept whatever they are told without thinking for themselves.
This is getting into the realm of censorship and "safe spaces." You're not allowed to talk about things that may cause someone to think something that could potentially lead to negative feelings inside their head. In this case, don't talk about an alignment occurring in the sky that seems to match the text in Rev 12 because some people may think you are setting a date for the rapture and then when it doesn't happen, their feelings are going to be hurt. Oh no, we can't have that! Who cares if the Sign is actually from God and described in precise detail in His book? Let's not hurt people's feelings because that's what's important.
And yes, I believe that alignment WAS THE SIGN. Satan neither wrote the text of Revelation nor put the sun, moon, and planets in their orbits. Why would God trick us with something He KNEW we would interpret as that sign when in fact it was not the sign? We had the technology to see the sign ahead of time by several years. God knows we are technology driven and spend very little time actually looking up at the stars, certainly not watching their movements day to day like in ancient times. If in ancient times only the Magi from the East saw Christ's star heralding His birth then, how likely would it have been for anyone to have seen this sign now in the sky when it appeared even if it could have been seen when it all came together? God created our brains and is full aware of where we are going to go technologically and He uses those things too. Our technology is not off limits to God's use. And do I need to quote: "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter...?"
If people are getting anxious over trying to get the specifics right about when Jesus is coming... well, anxiety and worry are sins so maybe they need to look at that and figure out how to create a balance of healthy speculation. Getting worked up over the 23rd, no the 24th, no the DoA! That's just people ALLOWING sensational date-setting to get the best of them. Now getting excited about things, that's different, and it may be hard to differentiate "anxiety" from "(joyful) excitement" in a forum format. But there's nothing wrong with speculating about those dates or finding out where the thinking might have been wrong. If we don't think, consider the scriptures and speculate, we won't come up with ANY explanations and then, can we say we're truly watching? But just because an explanation comes up doesn't mean it should be set dogmatically. Healthy, balanced, flexible, prayerful speculation.
There is a thread in the Whatever category I believe that is about how the Rev 12 sign has changed our walks with the Lord. People have written their testimonies there. For the most part, this sign has caused people to study scripture more, pray more, have more compassion for people and passion for evangelizing. I know I'm never going back to where I was before I started studying this Sign. I've never been so close to the Lord as I am now. I'm not phased in the least that we didn't get raptured on the date of the alignment. I know He's coming. My faith is in a Him alone. Am I going to stop watching or stop trying to figure out His word (of which over 25% is prophecy)? Not on your life.
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Post by Rick on Sept 24, 2017 23:30:07 GMT -6
I was going to say the same as Rick above. Essentially: if there's nothing to watch for then why are we told you watch? I was not crushed. Maybe a little disappointed the rapture didn't occur but mostly disappointed that the mockers and scoffers aren't eating their feet right now. I will be vindicated in that one day. 😊 It was inevitable that the Rev 12:1-2 sign would cause people to "set a date" if not verbally but mentally for the possibility of the rapture, because the rapture is three verses later in the text. Nobody could control this apart from ignoring the Sign altogether. PEOPLE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN CHOICES AND RESPONSES. If they are crushed, maybe they put too much faith in the assumed interpretation of the Sign instead of just waiting to see what would happen. If they fall way from the faith because of disillusionment or disappointment, maybe their faith is not very strong or even placed in the right Person. If they didn't believe and now believe even less, why did they care anyway if they didn't believe in the first place? Sorry, if that sounds harsh, but I'm not nor should anyone else take the blame for thinking out loud or for proclaiming a sign God put in the sky. If someone was teaching that the rapture MUST occur on the day of the alignment, then they are at fault, but everyone who believed are at fault also. God gave them brains to be used, but too often people just accept whatever they are told without thinking for themselves. This is getting into the realm of censorship and "safe spaces." You're not allowed to talk about things that may cause someone to think something that could potentially lead to negative feelings inside their head. In this case, don't talk about an alignment occurring in the sky that seems to match the text in Rev 12 because some people may think you are setting a date for the rapture and then when it doesn't happen, their feelings are going to be hurt. Oh no, we can't have that! Who cares if the Sign is actually from God and described in precise detail in His book? Let's not hurt people's feelings because that's what's important. And yes, I believe that alignment WAS THE SIGN. Satan neither wrote the text of Revelation nor put the sun, moon, and planets in their orbits. Why would God trick us with something He KNEW we would interpret as that sign when in fact it was not the sign? We had the technology to see the sign ahead of time by several years. God knows we are technology driven and spend very little time actually looking up at the stars, certainly not watching their movements day to day like in ancient times. If in ancient times only the Magi from the East saw Christ's star heralding His birth then, how likely would it have been for anyone to have seen this sign now in the sky when it appeared even if it could have been seen when it all came together? God created our brains and is full aware of where we are going to go technologically and He uses those things too. Our technology is not off limits to God's use. And do I need to quote: "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter...?" If people are getting anxious over trying to get the specifics right about when Jesus is coming... well, anxiety and worry are sins so maybe they need to look at that and figure out how to create a balance of healthy speculation. Getting worked up over the 23rd, no the 24th, no the DoA! That's just people ALLOWING sensational date-setting to get the best of them. Now getting excited about things, that's different, and it may be hard to differentiate "anxiety" from "(joyful) excitement" in a forum format. But there's nothing wrong with speculating about those dates or finding out where the thinking might have been wrong. If we don't think, consider the scriptures and speculate, we won't come up with ANY explanations and then, can we say we're truly watching? But just because an explanation comes up doesn't mean it should be set dogmatically. Healthy, balanced, flexible, prayerful speculation. There is a thread in the Whatever category I believe that is about how the Rev 12 sign has changed our walks with the Lord. People have written their testimonies there. For the most part, this sign has caused people to study scripture more, pray more, have more compassion for people and passion for evangelizing. I know I'm never going back to where I was before I started studying this Sign. I've never been so close to the Lord as I am now. I'm not phased in the least that we didn't get raptured on the date of the alignment. I know He's coming. My faith is in a Him alone. Am I going to stop watching or stop trying to figure out His word (of which over 25% is prophecy)? Not on your life. Well said MissusMack08, you took the words right out of my cheek.  |
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Post by thetimeoftheend on Sept 25, 2017 7:51:32 GMT -6
I was going to say the same as Rick above. Essentially: if there's nothing to watch for then why are we told you watch? I was not crushed. Maybe a little disappointed the rapture didn't occur but mostly disappointed that the mockers and scoffers aren't eating their feet right now. I will be vindicated in that one day. 😊 It was inevitable that the Rev 12:1-2 sign would cause people to "set a date" if not verbally but mentally for the possibility of the rapture, because the rapture is three verses later in the text. Nobody could control this apart from ignoring the Sign altogether. PEOPLE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN CHOICES AND RESPONSES. If they are crushed, maybe they put too much faith in the assumed interpretation of the Sign instead of just waiting to see what would happen. If they fall way from the faith because of disillusionment or disappointment, maybe their faith is not very strong or even placed in the right Person. If they didn't believe and now believe even less, why did they care anyway if they didn't believe in the first place? Sorry, if that sounds harsh, but I'm not nor should anyone else take the blame for thinking out loud or for proclaiming a sign God put in the sky. If someone was teaching that the rapture MUST occur on the day of the alignment, then they are at fault, but everyone who believed is at fault also. God gave them brains to be used, but too often people just accept whatever they are told without thinking for themselves. This is getting into the realm of censorship and "safe spaces." You're not allowed to talk about things that may cause someone to think something that could potentially lead to negative feelings inside their head. In this case, don't talk about an alignment occurring in the sky that seems to match the text in Rev 12 because some people may think you are setting a date for the rapture and then when it doesn't happen, their feelings are going to be hurt. Oh no, we can't have that! Who cares if the Sign is actually from God and described in precise detail in His book? Let's not hurt people's feelings because that's what's important. And yes, I believe that alignment WAS THE SIGN. Satan neither wrote the text of Revelation nor put the sun, moon, and planets in their orbits. Why would God trick us with something He KNEW we would interpret as that sign when in fact it was not the sign? We had the technology to see the sign ahead of time by several years. God knows we are technology driven and spend very little time actually looking up at the stars, certainly not watching their movements day to day like in ancient times. If in ancient times only the Magi from the East saw Christ's star heralding His birth then, how likely would it have been for anyone to have seen this sign now in the sky when it appeared even if it could have been seen when it all came together? God created our brains and is full aware of where we are going to go technologically and He uses those things too. Our technology is not off limits to God's use. And do I need to quote: "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter...?" If people are getting anxious over trying to get the specifics right about when Jesus is coming... well, anxiety and worry are sins so maybe they need to look at that and figure out how to create a balance of healthy speculation. Getting worked up over the 23rd, no the 24th, no the DoA! That's just people ALLOWING sensational date-setting to get the best of them. Now getting excited about things, that's different, and it may be hard to differentiate "anxiety" from "(joyful) excitement" in a forum format. But there's nothing wrong with speculating about those dates or finding out where the thinking might have been wrong. If we don't think, consider the scriptures and speculate, we won't come up with ANY explanations and then, can we say we're truly watching? But just because an explanation comes up doesn't mean it should be set dogmatically. Healthy, balanced, flexible, prayerful speculation. There is a thread in the Whatever category I believe that is about how the Rev 12 sign has changed our walks with the Lord. People have written their testimonies there. For the most part, this sign has caused people to study scripture more, pray more, have more compassion for people and passion for evangelizing. I know I'm never going back to where I was before I started studying this Sign. I've never been so close to the Lord as I am now. I'm not phased in the least that we didn't get raptured on the date of the alignment. I know He's coming. My faith is in a Him alone. Am I going to stop watching or stop trying to figure out His word (of which over 25% is prophecy)? Not on your life. Amen! When I woke upo in my bed yesterday, I was a little like "C'mon, really? This is not where I wanted to be." But I feel so much closer to God, my walk with my Savior has most certainly changed for the better! I feel peace that surpasses understanding. |
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Post by moonedone on Sept 25, 2017 8:32:42 GMT -6
I wanna say thank you for the respectful replies!! Just reporting that I read them all with attention. And gratitude for the collective (mines, yours, everyone's) self-reflection that resulted from this thread.
May peace be with you, friends.
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Post by kjs on Sept 25, 2017 8:36:57 GMT -6
moonedone:
Take a breath -- step back -- and re-read what you wrote (and you have the gall to call it compassion -- tell you what -- go read the definition of compassion, then come back to your thread and say exactly what sentences were compassionate)
You are incorrect in many of your supposed compassionate words .....
1) Most here at this site -- hoped the 21,22,23 were the possible rapture dates -- BUT REFUSED to say they were 100%. In fact if you go read a few threads before coming on as a first time user and telling us how "crushed we all are" -- you would see the vast majority of us only hoped -- but could not say with 100% certainty -- so we always preferences what we said. (read it for yourself -- the threads are still there)
2) Disappointed, is not the same thing as "CRUSHED" -- Yes, I freely admit I would LOVE to be in the presences of Jesus Christ -- right now. To me the Revelation 12 Sign -- was just that a sign -- something unique -- something not seen before. BUT I and Many others refused to say -- this is it -- this is the day or range of days. (Again - go read the threads and see for yourself)
3) You do not read he Bible much do you-- You attempt to quote "The day shall come like a thief in the night, guys." YET YOU FAIL to finish the entire sentence However, brothers, you are not in the darkness, in order that the Day of the Lord might surprise you like a thief.
In other words -- true believers will NOT be surprised by a thief....
You came onto this website to "SHOW COMPASSION" -- according to your words -- Yet, seems like you just want to gloat about what you thought everyone believed .... again go read the OLD posts -- the vast majority of people here DID NOT SAY the rapture would occur on the sign.
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Post by moonedone on Sept 25, 2017 8:51:48 GMT -6
moonedone: Take a breath -- step back -- and re-read what you wrote (and you have the gall to call it compassion -- tell you what -- go read the definition of compassion, then come back to your thread and say exactly what sentences were compassionate) You are incorrect in many of your supposed compassionate words ..... 1) Most here at this site -- hoped the 21,22,23 were the possible rapture dates -- BUT REFUSED to say they were 100%. In fact if you go read a few threads before coming on as a first time user and telling us how "crushed we all are" -- you would see the vast majority of us only hoped -- but could not say with 100% certainty -- so we always preferences what we said. (read it for yourself -- the threads are still there) 2) Disappointed, is not the same thing as "CRUSHED" -- Yes, I freely admit I would LOVE to be in the presences of Jesus Christ -- right now. To me the Revelation 12 Sign -- was just that a sign -- something unique -- something not seen before. BUT I and Many others refused to say -- this is it -- this is the day or range of days. (Again - go read the threads and see for yourself) 3) You do not read he Bible much do you-- You attempt to quote "The day shall come like a thief in the night, guys." YET YOU FAIL to finish the entire sentence However, brothers, you are not in the darkness, in order that the Day of the Lord might surprise you like a thief. In other words -- true believers will NOT be surprised by a thief.... You came onto this website to "SHOW COMPASSION" -- according to your words -- Yet, seems like you just want to gloat about what you thought everyone believed .... again go read the OLD posts -- the vast majority of people here DID NOT SAY the rapture would occur on the sign. |
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Post by yardstick on Sept 25, 2017 9:06:04 GMT -6
Hey moonedone. Check out Philippians 1:22-24:
22If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! 23I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; 24but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body... I wasnt disappointed when the harpazo didnt occur on 9/20/23. Why? I get more time to do the work I am here to do! So do you and every other believer! Our job isn't done yet!
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Post by mike on Sept 25, 2017 9:07:54 GMT -6
moonedone I had written up a lengthy response to your note above and my computer crashed. Rather than rewrite it all, I'll echo that most of it is what kjs has said. However I would like to add that I completely disagree with: Although theoretically perhaps could do whatever he wants, but won't or even better can't as God cannot violate His Word. His work is finished and complete, He will not go ahead and change tomorrow to 11/11/1111. He does not do whatever He feels like doing at random. I say this all as means to help those who do come to the site and read your erroneous post. Truth is what needs prevail. *Gen2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
*Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.*Psalm 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.*1 Cor 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
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Post by moonedone on Sept 25, 2017 9:49:09 GMT -6
Why didn't you quote my complete quote before writing this? You left out the part of Hume's induction problem which is relevant. To the readers, please go to the OP and read the full quote. Wikipedia: Quoting out of context (sometimes referred to as contextomy or quote mining) is an informal fallacy and a type of false attribution[citation needed] in which a passage is removed from its surrounding matter in such a way as to distort its intended meaning.[1] Contextomies may be both intentional, as well as accidental if someone misunderstands the meaning and omits something essential to clarifying it, thinking it to be non-essential. Do you know what is hume's induction problem? You seem to be comitting the fallacy of circular reasoning. You say that God can't do whatever he wants (why not? Doesn't he have free will?) because god can't go back on his word. Why can't god go back on his word? Well, because his work is finished and complete. Why is it finished and complete? Well, He does not do whatever He feels like doing at random. You have just went around in a circle and this concludes absolutely nothing. This is like saying: "The reason everyone wants the new "Slap Me Silly Elmo" doll is because this is the hottest toy of the season! . " www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/53/Begging-the-Question Hume's induction problem: The sun will rise tomorrow. Why? Because so far, it has always risen. The future will resemble the past, because so far, the future has always resembled the past. Seems invalid. Just because something has never happened before, it doesn't mean it couldn't happen. Just because september 26 always came after september 25, doesn't mean that tomorrow it will be september 26. It could be 11/11/1111! This was my argument. I am not saying that you are wrong and I am right, I am just questioning it. I like philosophy! |
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