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Post by jlr1701 on Sept 23, 2017 19:08:09 GMT -6
Hey everybody, I am not nearly as educated as I would like to be on this Revelation 12 sign and what it might mean. Being at this site, yes, I suppose I am without excuse. But, to be honest, I have been skeptical. And my focus has been on other things. I just recently came back to faith in Christ after years of angry atheism, and I have shared my story elsewhere on these forums. My focus has been more on the other signs of the times in which we live, with "September 23rd" hanging out in the background of my mind. I could certainly be wrong, but to me it smacked of date setting, which of course never has worked. I am FIRMLY convinced that we are living in the very last of the Last Days before the return of Christ in power and great glory! ALL of the signs are here! EVERYTHING matches! World event are happening exactly as God said they would during this time in history. The world is in the exact condition that Jesus said it would be shortly before His return. And the great apostasy from the Christian faith has been going on for a while now, and I was a part of it!  I have been busy over on Facebook sharing my return to faith and sharing the things going on in the world that to me point very strongly to the soon return of Jesus Christ! And, of course, I am being mocked and opposed. But that isn't really bothering me. God opened my blind eyes, and He is opening His Word to me like never before! And I have been getting all sorts of confirming evidence that there really is a God, Jesus really is God and He really did rise from the dead, the Bible really is God's Word, there really is a Heaven and there really is a Hell. God has been bringing books, websites, movies, online videos, and all kinds of other stuff into my life, providing a great deal of evidence to me that this stuff is all for real! But... what I'm really writing to ask is... now that the date has arrived, did this celestial event turn out to really be the sign mentioned in Revelation 12? Or was it just a bunch of hype that a lot of people really wanted to believe was true? Thanks for listening, and thanks in advance for your answers.  Jeff |
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Post by Natalie on Sept 23, 2017 20:32:01 GMT -6
I believe it really was the sign in Revelation. I believe that it's one of the signs in the heavens before He returns. And I am still listening intently because I think we are going Home soon. Keep trusting in Him and walking with Him. |
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Post by linda on Sept 23, 2017 20:32:05 GMT -6
I don't think it was a bunch of hype at all. The verses in Revelation are very clear what the sign looks like. And the sign we see is very clearly what is described by John. How one interprets the sign, though, is the rub. The verses in question never say that something will happen at the exact same time the sign appears. It could very easily be a warning of what is soon to take place. That's how I take it. My belief isn't affected at all. I still very strongly feel the lateness of the hour.
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Post by yardstick on Sept 23, 2017 20:34:19 GMT -6
The time window is likely to be through November 19, with some special dates such as 9/30-10/16 having greater importance.
Taking it beyond a hypothesis or speculation lacks prudence.
It hurts no one to wait and see.
The media backlash for 9/23 is typical. It will now allow them to immediately dismiss anything that occurs fairly soon after 9/23 by lumping it into the same category.
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Post by yardstick on Sept 23, 2017 20:35:35 GMT -6
I believe it really was the sign in Revelation. I believe that it's one of the signs in the heavens before He returns. And I am still listening intently because I think we are going Home soon. Keep trusting in Him and walking with Him. I agree that it was the Revelation 12:1-2 sign. However, the travailing of the woman (Israel) has not started yet. I think we should pay close attention to the news over the course of the next week. I suspect the travailing will begin in October. If not before. Do not be surprised to see the Psalm 83 war erupt within a week or two. Not saying it will happen, but I define 'travailing' as Israel involved in some kind of conflict related to her nation-state status. |
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Post by linda on Sept 23, 2017 20:37:12 GMT -6
The time window is likely to be through November 19, with some special dates such as 9/30-10/16 having greater importance. Taking it beyond a hypothesis or speculation lacks prudence. It hurts no one to wait and see. The media backlash for 9/23 is typical. It will now allow them to immediately dismiss anything that occurs fairly soon after 9/23 by lumping it into the same category. I don't think they're going to be able to dismiss a few million missing people - but who knows? They are currently so fake that they ignore anything they don't want to talk about. |
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Post by yardstick on Sept 23, 2017 20:37:37 GMT -6
The time window is likely to be through November 19, with some special dates such as 9/30-10/16 having greater importance. Taking it beyond a hypothesis or speculation lacks prudence. It hurts no one to wait and see. The media backlash for 9/23 is typical. It will now allow them to immediately dismiss anything that occurs fairly soon after 9/23 by lumping it into the same category. I don't think they're going to be able to dismiss a few million missing people - but who knows? They are currently so fake that they ignore anything they don't want to talk about. caught me in an edit... heh |
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Post by yardstick on Sept 23, 2017 20:38:18 GMT -6
No. what they will dismiss is any kind of warning that the rapture really is here. As in within a week or two. Or even a couple days.
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Post by andrew on Sept 23, 2017 21:02:40 GMT -6
Hey everybody, I am not nearly as educated as I would like to be on this Revelation 12 sign and what it might mean. Being at this site, yes, I suppose I am without excuse. But, to be honest, I have been skeptical. And my focus has been on other things. I just recently came back to faith in Christ after years of angry atheism, and I have shared my story elsewhere on these forums. My focus has been more on the other signs of the times in which we live, with "September 23rd" hanging out in the background of my mind. I could certainly be wrong, but to me it smacked of date setting, which of course never has worked. I am FIRMLY convinced that we are living in the very last of the Last Days before the return of Christ in power and great glory! ALL of the signs are here! EVERYTHING matches! World event are happening exactly as God said they would during this time in history. The world is in the exact condition that Jesus said it would be shortly before His return. And the great apostasy from the Christian faith has been going on for a while now, and I was a part of it! I have been busy over on Facebook sharing my return to faith and sharing the things going on in the world that to me point very strongly to the soon return of Jesus Christ! And, of course, I am being mocked and opposed. But that isn't really bothering me. God opened my blind eyes, and He is opening His Word to me like never before! And I have been getting all sorts of confirming evidence that there really is a God, Jesus really is God and He really did rise from the dead, the Bible really is God's Word, there really is a Heaven and there really is a Hell. God has been bringing books, websites, movies, online videos, and all kinds of other stuff into my life, providing a great deal of evidence to me that this stuff is all for real! But... what I'm really writing to ask is... now that the date has arrived, did this celestial event turn out to really be the sign mentioned in Revelation 12? Or was it just a bunch of hype that a lot of people really wanted to believe was true? Thanks for listening, and thanks in advance for your answers. Jeff Well, it was the sign, it wasn't the exit. We will travel on a ways till we get there. |
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Post by mike on Sept 23, 2017 21:03:18 GMT -6
yardstick & linda Not sure how the news would dismiss the open/empty graves. One theme seems to ring true for most of us before today, today and still prevalent. Trying to make the rapture into a date. For example "it has to be on the feast of trumpets" or "well we missed this feast gotta wait until next year" and "maybe these dates will fit into the window". Not being critical of anyone cuz I'm just as guilty but I'm starting to think about overanalyzing this and just starting to kick back and allow the Holy Spirit to work. All of our speculation has been just that. We inadvertently give cause to the naysayers with our hypotheticals.
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Post by mike on Sept 23, 2017 21:18:16 GMT -6
socalexile said it best in another thread "damage control". That's what I'm getting at ^^^
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Post by andrew on Sept 23, 2017 21:42:52 GMT -6
yardstick & linda Not sure how the news would dismiss the open/empty graves. One theme seems to ring true for most of us before today, today and still prevalent. Trying to make the rapture into a date. For example "it has to be on the feast of trumpets" or "well we missed this feast gotta wait until next year" and "maybe these dates will fit into the window". Not being critical of anyone cuz I'm just as guilty but I'm starting to think about overanalyzing this and just starting to kick back and allow the Holy Spirit to work. All of our speculation has been just that. We inadvertently give cause to the naysayers with our hypotheticals. Yes. It was perfect. It would have sent the message to surely rouse the Jews to jelousy and fulfill yet another prophecy. Unfortunately, we were wrong. That doesn't make us false prophets, as many are quick to label, but we, who believed that God just HAD to use this PERFECT day, were wrong. We are not the first, though hopefully near the last, to do so. Robert Breaker pointed out in his latest sermon that even our beloved apostles in the book of Acts may have made the same error in their fervent desire to move on to better things. It could be in days, weeks, months, (I hate adding this part) years. We do not know. I still believe it is the season. We have been given the first great sign, complete or incomplete. Hold fast. Pray for those who need it. Speak with those who will listen. And do not forget...rebuke those who stand in the way of the work God has set us to do. If our brothers sin against us, yes we are to forgive, but we are also to rebuke. First in person (unless they start the fight in public), second with another brother again in private if possible, then we tell them to be gone. We do not ignore. Man up and speak up. |
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Post by lookingabove on Sept 23, 2017 22:02:26 GMT -6
yardstick & linda Not sure how the news would dismiss the open/empty graves. One theme seems to ring true for most of us before today, today anhttp://quakes.globalincidentmap.com/d still prevalent. Trying to make the rapture into a date. For example "it has to be on the feast of trumpets" or "well we missed this feast gotta wait until next year" and "maybe these dates will fit into the window". Not being critical of anyone cuz I'm just as guilty but I'm starting to think about overanalyzing this and just starting to kick back and allow the Holy Spirit to work. All of our speculation has been just that. We inadvertently give cause to the naysayers with our hypotheticals. I want to be encouraged that he is coming soon, perhaps in my lifetime! I found the star sign very interesting and I am checking quakes.globalincidentmap.com/ often everyday because the earthquakes seem to be increasing in frequency by leaps and bounds. I am discouraged when people put a date on it though, we think "maybe this it it!" and then it is a let down even though I am logically telling myself we can know the season but not the day or hour. Save |
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Post by auskiwi on Sept 23, 2017 23:11:53 GMT -6
I think we need to clarify that this Revelation 12 sign is a more concrete sign than any vague theories relating to Jewish feasts etc.
We also need to clarify what exactly this sign is meant to represent in terms of the timing right now.
I don't personally believe that the rapture has to happen today, but that does not negate that this is an important sign.
A careful reading of Revelation 12:5 (the verse that refers to harpazo or rapture) will tell you that the male child is born, and the male child is snatched away.
Now, I love Scottie Clarke, but he has made a big point of creating a whole theology around the idea that the birth in Revelation 12 IS the rapture,
and we are all going to be "born" into the throne room of God. I like that analogy, but it isn't what Revelation 12:5 actually says.
Revelation 12:5 says the child is born, AND the child is caught up or snatched away to God and his throne.
Those are 2 different actions, and could be separated by a period of time.
So if we go by the working theory that the birth and rapture are not one and the same, then we
have to ask the question, what exactly is the birth? As we are dealing with the prophetic imagery of Revelation,
we are obviously not talking about a natural birth as in the birth of Christ.
I agree with Scottie's teaching that this is a corporate birth,
but to be honest, if the rapture DOESN'T happen today, we are looking at a corporate birth followed by a corporate rapture.
What could this possibly mean? A revival, an awakening along the lines of the traditional concept of being "born again"?
What comes to my mind, is that over the last 9 months, a lot of people's eyes have been opened to the idea that the rapture may happen on September 23.
This is a viral message that is getting a lot of attention, and stirring a lot of debate within the church.
And the debate is about to get a whole lot more heated, as the scoffers double down on their skepticism if the rapture doesn't happen today,
and the rapture believers double down on their belief that the rapture isn't far away.
But what if all this controversy is just God's way of getting people's attention for the Gospel,
and not just the traditional gospel of salvation, but the Gospel of the Kingdom as mentioned in Matthew 24?
What if this Revelation 12 sign is the trigger for a global revival and a focus on the coming Millennium
especially as the New World Order doubles down on their determination to shut down the born again, Spirit-filled church?
People are going to have to go with a choice between a preference for the kingdoms of this world,
and the coming Kingdom of God. To put it bluntly, a choice between Christ and Satan as the leader of this planet.
This is my thinking, that the Revelation 12 Sign is a sign that begins the birth of the Kingdom of God.
Yes, there will be a rapture, but the birth has to happen first, and that could take some time.
That is what the travailing of the woman is all about.
The birth process is not instant.
If we go by Scottie's analogy of a 2000 year conception, a few more months are a drop in the bucket...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 5:54:06 GMT -6
Welcome auskiwi , glad to have you here! I heard that from a German guy Martin Baron, who interpreted the Rev 12 sign in a similar way as you do. However I found some of his conclusions a bit far fetched. But they hold some water. And your interpretation makes much sense. There is yet another thread here dealing with his message. In Germany there are currently many prophetic impressions, that speak of a revival and outpouring of the Holy Spirit in the last times. I'm in the camp of those who regard this as a possibility and are open to that. It would match with the Rev 12 sign, it's not a contradiction. The woman as the real true Israel gives birth to a church (the man-child), which starts the coming kingdom of Jesus. Curious about the thoughts of our American friends on that. |
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