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Post by truthseeker on Sept 23, 2017 7:04:50 GMT -6
Disciple4life and missusmack-
You both cleared something up for me that I could not get my head wrapped around! Thank you for doing such in-depth explanations and the congenial exchange. I was not separating the feasts from the civil year. Very soon God will give us the full understanding of all these things and we will be amazed at what all was being represented that we hadn't even thought of yet! Aside from the number one joy of being in the presence of the definition of love(God), I most look forward to finding the truth of all matters.
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Post by nana on Sept 23, 2017 22:22:26 GMT -6
Part 2 explains more.
The 8th Moedim - A Jubilee Rapture
The 8th Moedim - A Jubilee Rapture Part II
FoT is the 1st day of the SEVENTH month FoA is the 10th day of the SEVENTH month
SEVENTH month, which means all things related to God is based on the Religious year NOT the civil year. So the Jubilee would be based on the Religious year just as the Feast days all are. This means we will still be in the jubilee year until the last day of Adar.
The Religious calendar starts on the first day of Nisan and ends on the last day of Adar/Adar 1
The Civil Calendar starts on the first day of Tishri and ends on the last day of Elul
www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=jubile&t=KJV#s=s_lexiconc - jubile, ram's horn, trumpet |
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Post by Rick on Sept 23, 2017 23:07:01 GMT -6
So Jesus stands up in the synagogue one sabbath and proclaims the first verse and first clause of the second verse. When does the second clause of the second verse get proclaimed? At the beginning of the day of vengeance or at the end? This passage seems to be about the Jubilee. In that case, it sounds to me like the jubilee will be AFTER the Day of Vengeance. Isaiah 61 “The Spirit of the Lord God is upon Me, Because the Lord has anointed Me To preach good tidings to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives, And the opening of the prison to those who are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, And the day of vengeance of our God; . Hey MissusMack08, I do believe it is just before "Day of Vengeance" just due to this verse.... Isa 35:4-5 4 Say to the cowardly: “Be strong; do not fear! Here is your God; vengeance is coming. God’s retribution is coming; He will save you.” 5 Then the eyes of the blind will be opened, and the ears of the deaf unstopped. The Holy Bible: Holman Christian standard version. (2009). (Is 35:4–5). Nashville: Holman Bible Publishers. |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 23, 2017 23:54:58 GMT -6
So Jesus stands up in the synagogue one sabbath and proclaims the first verse and first clause of the second verse. When does the second clause of the second verse get proclaimed? At the beginning of the day of vengeance or at the end? This passage seems to be about the Jubilee. In that case, it sounds to me like the jubilee will be AFTER the Day of Vengeance. Isaiah 61 “The Spirit of the Lord God is upon Me, Because the Lord has anointed Me To preach good tidings to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives, And the opening of the prison to those who are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, And the day of vengeance of our God; . Hey MissusMack08 , I do believe it is just before "Day of Vengeance" just due to this verse.... Isa 35:4-5 4 Say to the cowardly: “Be strong; do not fear! Here is your God; vengeance is coming. God’s retribution is coming; He will save you.” 5 Then the eyes of the blind will be opened, and the ears of the deaf unstopped. The Holy Bible: Holman Christian standard version. (2009). (Is 35:4–5). Nashville: Holman Bible Publishers. Thanks for bringing up this passage. I don't think I quite see it the way you do. The whole Isaiah 35 passage to me sounds like when the remnant realizes who their messiah is and God takes care of them in the wilderness during the Trib. The "vengeance is coming. God's retribution is coming" sound to me like vengeance on their enemies and not on themselves. I think I can go either way with the jubilee. I just wish we could figure it all out, though! |
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Post by nana on Sept 24, 2017 11:19:21 GMT -6
Type 33 into their search bar, hit search, you get- go to, come!, come now! Then jubile, then lexicon or strong's, you get- jubile, ram's horn, trumpet www.blueletterbible.org/The eclipse entered the 33rd state, exited on the 33 parallel, 33 days after the eclipse the Rev 12 sign. 7 days after the Rev 12 sign is Feast of Atonement. 33 and 7 is 40, 40 days the sign of Jonah 7 days is the sign of Noah Things are about to get real now and soon looking this through the Jubilee year. 5777 so kindly posted this video link in the shoutbox, thank you so much. |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 24, 2017 15:01:40 GMT -6
Part 2 explains more.
The 8th Moedim - A Jubilee Rapture
The 8th Moedim - A Jubilee Rapture Part II
FoT is the 1st day of the SEVENTH month FoA is the 10th day of the SEVENTH month
SEVENTH month, which means all things related to God is based on the Religious year NOT the civil year. So the Jubilee would be based on the Religious year just as the Feast days all are. This means we will still be in the jubilee year until the last day of Adar.
The Religious calendar starts on the first day of Nisan and ends on the last day of Adar/Adar 1
The Civil Calendar starts on the first day of Tishri and ends on the last day of Elul
www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=jubile&t=KJV#s=s_lexiconc - jubile, ram's horn, trumpet Yeah, I'm still not too sure about this interpretation. If the Jubilee year starts in the spring with the spring feasts, why is it proclaimed in the fall? It's my understanding that AFTER the Jubilee was proclaimed that they then were supposed to honor the jubilee, meaning in the following spring not to sow and in the following harvest (before the next Rosh Hashana) not to reap. So unless we can find evidence that the Israelites, when they truly honored a Jubilee, actually honored it in the Spring of the year before the Jubilee was proclaimed, I don't think I can give much support to this theory. Just because reworking the calendar helps us line up the years WE THINK are jubilees, doesn't make them so. |
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Post by nana on Sept 24, 2017 15:42:54 GMT -6
Have been looking through my calendar, I write all over it and have copious papers/notes attached to it, most being from Passover to Trumpets. I didn't write much past FoT because I thought we would be gone.
I don't know if any of this is important but thought I would share from today going forward with the exception of the first paragraph and last.
I do have watch 7 days on the 14th of September with arrows reaching on both sides to the 13th and 15th, so a 3 day watch because I always wondered if we would be given the sign of Noah, 7 days before. I do believe now it started on the 23rd.
Sept 30, 40 days since the solar eclipse, (Jubilee-Trumpet blown, Last Trump? Yom Kippur, added recently)
I also have Comet 67p in the September notes. Sorry my mind has been slipping more.
October 5th, Rev 6:12? and Sukkot, This is also a full moon.
October 12th, 12-28 meters, Pan Stars F51 Asteroid, 8th day of Sukkot.
Nov 2, 33 days after 7 day purification of woman who gave birth to a male child, 40 days total since birth.
Also just thinking out loud now- Noah built the ark 120 years and was given a 7 year warning before the rain started,
120 jubilees is 6,000 years also Gen 6:3-And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 120 number again.
And just to mention this from Aug notes:
The great American eclipse is August 21,2017 aka ELUL 1, 5777. The year 5777 is- 5 Grace- 7 is complete (3 is perfection) 5777= Grace Complete!!! Grace perfectly complete.
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Post by nana on Sept 25, 2017 6:30:11 GMT -6
Part 2 explains more.
The 8th Moedim - A Jubilee Rapture
The 8th Moedim - A Jubilee Rapture Part II
FoT is the 1st day of the SEVENTH month FoA is the 10th day of the SEVENTH month
SEVENTH month, which means all things related to God is based on the Religious year NOT the civil year. So the Jubilee would be based on the Religious year just as the Feast days all are. This means we will still be in the jubilee year until the last day of Adar.
The Religious calendar starts on the first day of Nisan and ends on the last day of Adar/Adar 1
The Civil Calendar starts on the first day of Tishri and ends on the last day of Elul
www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=jubile&t=KJV#s=s_lexiconc - jubile, ram's horn, trumpet Yeah, I'm still not too sure about this interpretation. If the Jubilee year starts in the spring with the spring feasts, why is it proclaimed in the fall? It's my understanding that AFTER the Jubilee was proclaimed that they then were supposed to honor the jubilee, meaning in the following spring not to sow and in the following harvest (before the next Rosh Hashana) not to reap. So unless we can find evidence that the Israelites, when they truly honored a Jubilee, actually honored it in the Spring of the year before the Jubilee was proclaimed, I don't think I can give much support to this theory. Just because reworking the calendar helps us line up the years WE THINK are jubilees, doesn't make them so. Could it be the Trumpet blown on FoA is to let everyone know the Jubile/Jubilee was to start at the beginning of the next year in Nisan as an announcement/warning? This would allow time to let everyone know not to plant nor reap in the next coming spring and fall. The harvest had already been brought in by FoA at the blowing of the horn already. How did/would they know not to plant in the spring unless they were told before spring.
Everyone was to go to Jerusalem 3 times a year for the Feast days, the spring Feast, Passover, Unleavened bread, and Firstfruits which happen in rapid succession. Then Pentecost. Then the fall Feast, Trumpets, Atonement, and Tabernacles which also happen in rapid succession.
The last trump/trumpet of the religious year would be blown at FoA only if proclaiming a Jubile/Jubilee year.
Searching for more, what I find I will post or if someone finds it please kindly post it.
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 25, 2017 9:39:25 GMT -6
Yeah, I'm still not too sure about this interpretation. If the Jubilee year starts in the spring with the spring feasts, why is it proclaimed in the fall? It's my understanding that AFTER the Jubilee was proclaimed that they then were supposed to honor the jubilee, meaning in the following spring not to sow and in the following harvest (before the next Rosh Hashana) not to reap. So unless we can find evidence that the Israelites, when they truly honored a Jubilee, actually honored it in the Spring of the year before the Jubilee was proclaimed, I don't think I can give much support to this theory. Just because reworking the calendar helps us line up the years WE THINK are jubilees, doesn't make them so. Could it be the Trumpet blown on FoA is to let everyone know the Jubile/Jubilee was to start at the beginning of the next year in Nisan as an announcement/warning? This would allow time to let everyone know not to plant nor reap in the next coming spring and fall. The harvest had already been brought in by FoA at the blowing of the horn already. How did/would they know not to plant in the spring unless they were told before spring.
Everyone was to go to Jerusalem 3 times a year for the Feast days, the spring Feast, Passover, Unleavened bread, and Firstfruits which happen in rapid succession. Then Pentecost. Then the fall Feast, Trumpets, Atonement, and Tabernacles which also happen in rapid succession.
The last trump/trumpet of the religious year would be blown at FoA only if proclaiming a Jubile/Jubilee year.
Searching for more, what I find I will post or if someone finds it please kindly post it.
Let me think about this. I may need to work it out on my spreadsheet. So, you're suggesting the Jubilee was proclaimed at DoA but it might not have gone into affect until the following Nisan through the Nisan a year later? It still doesn't seem logical that God would have them proclaim it and then it start 5 months later and pass through the following Fall feasts. But I'll check it out anyway, so we can see or rule it out. |
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Post by linda on Sept 25, 2017 10:42:39 GMT -6
I'm not sure if this fits in anywhere or not. But they would have to know about the Jubilee long in advance in order to put up enough food for the next 2 years. They would have to last through the Jubilee year without planting, and then the following year since they wouldn't have planted in the Jubilee year.
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 25, 2017 15:40:48 GMT -6
Yeah, I'm still not too sure about this interpretation. If the Jubilee year starts in the spring with the spring feasts, why is it proclaimed in the fall? It's my understanding that AFTER the Jubilee was proclaimed that they then were supposed to honor the jubilee, meaning in the following spring not to sow and in the following harvest (before the next Rosh Hashana) not to reap. So unless we can find evidence that the Israelites, when they truly honored a Jubilee, actually honored it in the Spring of the year before the Jubilee was proclaimed, I don't think I can give much support to this theory. Just because reworking the calendar helps us line up the years WE THINK are jubilees, doesn't make them so. Could it be the Trumpet blown on FoA is to let everyone know the Jubile/Jubilee was to start at the beginning of the next year in Nisan as an announcement/warning? This would allow time to let everyone know not to plant nor reap in the next coming spring and fall. The harvest had already been brought in by FoA at the blowing of the horn already. How did/would they know not to plant in the spring unless they were told before spring.
Everyone was to go to Jerusalem 3 times a year for the Feast days, the spring Feast, Passover, Unleavened bread, and Firstfruits which happen in rapid succession. Then Pentecost. Then the fall Feast, Trumpets, Atonement, and Tabernacles which also happen in rapid succession.
The last trump/trumpet of the religious year would be blown at FoA only if proclaiming a Jubile/Jubilee year.
Searching for more, what I find I will post or if someone finds it please kindly post it.
I started to work this out on the spreadsheet and then realized I didn't need to. It would be the same as the blue box on my spreadsheet (I'll attach that in an edit) only the Jubilee proclamation would be the year BEFORE. Sooo, in order for the Balfour Declaration, The 6th Day War and the Rev 12 sign to all be events taking place in Jubilees 50 years apart, the Jubilee must start in Nisan. If we're looking at the proclamation occurring before the Jubilee, then the Jubilee would've had to have been proclaimed LAST YEAR (DoA, 2016), which it was... but this screws up the hypothesis that Rosh Hashana is at DoA THIS year, because there'd be no proclamation this year. It just satisfy ALL of the criteria whichever way you slice it. Edit: Added attachment Jubilees.xlsx (13.59 KB) |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 26, 2017 5:22:24 GMT -6
Yeah, I'm still not too sure about this interpretation. If the Jubilee year starts in the spring with the spring feasts, why is it proclaimed in the fall? It's my understanding that AFTER the Jubilee was proclaimed that they then were supposed to honor the jubilee, meaning in the following spring not to sow and in the following harvest (before the next Rosh Hashana) not to reap. So unless we can find evidence that the Israelites, when they truly honored a Jubilee, actually honored it in the Spring of the year before the Jubilee was proclaimed, I don't think I can give much support to this theory. Just because reworking the calendar helps us line up the years WE THINK are jubilees, doesn't make them so. Could it be the Trumpet blown on FoA is to let everyone know the Jubile/Jubilee was to start at the beginning of the next year in Nisan as an announcement/warning? This would allow time to let everyone know not to plant nor reap in the next coming spring and fall. The harvest had already been brought in by FoA at the blowing of the horn already. How did/would they know not to plant in the spring unless they were told before spring.
Everyone was to go to Jerusalem 3 times a year for the Feast days, the spring Feast, Passover, Unleavened bread, and Firstfruits which happen in rapid succession. Then Pentecost. Then the fall Feast, Trumpets, Atonement, and Tabernacles which also happen in rapid succession.
The last trump/trumpet of the religious year would be blown at FoA only if proclaiming a Jubile/Jubilee year.
Searching for more, what I find I will post or if someone finds it please kindly post it.
According to this article, www.nehemiaswall.com/yom-teruah-day-shouting-became-rosh-hashanah, the reason the jubilee and sabbatical years began at Feast of Atonement was because all the harvests were over and the time for planting would begin about a month later after the latter rains came. So, they sowed the barley and the wheat in fall/winter. That's why after Passover, the feast of first fruits occurred. It was the first fruits of Barley. Then Pentecost celebrated the first fruits of the wheat harvest. So, for a Jubilee/sabbatical year to work by halting the sowing and reaping, it makes sense that it would begin before the sowing. It would have been wasteful both of seed and of the fruits to sow the fields but then not be allowed to reap them because of the beginning of a sabbatical or Jubilee year. So, I don't think this changes what we've already worked out. the article does also explain the Babylonian influence of Rosh Hashana. |
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