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Post by kingz on Sept 26, 2017 11:23:07 GMT -6
My thinking is that the years overlap, that is the start of the moedim (appointed days) year is Nisan. The 'civil' year is Tishri. The jubilee year starts on the tenth day of the seventh month. Think of a wheel with several rims. The seam of the rims are the beginning and end of that year. And they overlap one another. One is not the same as the others, that is they don't all line up. Rosh Hashana means the 'Head of the year. There are three 'Heads of the year' One is Nisan 1, another Tishre 1, and another every 50 years on the tenth of the seventh month, that is the 'Head' of the jubilee year as seen in Eze 40. It does not change the tishre 1 'Head'. It is another 'head'.
So 5777 ended. 5778 is begun, but the Jubilee cycle, the 50th year changes over on the tenth of the seventh month. So for a few more days we are still in the last Jubilee year.
I hope this helps. Once again, my thoughts. Shalom
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 26, 2017 14:45:47 GMT -6
Love it, Kingz! I'm with you on that! We shall see. the Trumpet is blown on the Last Day of the Year. The world has until then to give back what belongs to another (God's , this time). So then, the last day of 5777 would be 9/30, correct? Or the next day since the new moon was sighted on the 21st at sunset... |
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Post by truthseeker on Sept 26, 2017 15:04:10 GMT -6
Probably so(?) I've always noticed that the 10 days of Awe are tradition, not biblical. I've wondered whether on a Jubilee year that God goes so far as to give them their 10 days that THEY said they were mourning in.... to do the right thing. Kind of like someone telling you they are going to pay you on Monday and they don't. Then you give them until 'next Monday' - because you KNOW that if you call them, they might play the "I meant NEXT Monday" card. It feels like he gives them no reason to complain about his judgement of them.
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Post by kingz on Sept 27, 2017 9:24:38 GMT -6
There is always mans days as opposed to Gods days. Rosh Hashana is a 'mans' day. Israel was told to keep 'Yom Teruach'. They seem to have blended the two. Rosh Hashana is simply hebrew for 'head of the year'. Which means beginning, or in our terms 'new year'
With all this I am not saying anything 'special' will happen. However I know that all these things are put in scripture for our learning. God himself will do it all (using His creation of course). Its all there. We just have to put the pieces together. Daniel came close because he saw what the scripture said and took it literally.
Its always amazing to me that the CREATOR of light, atoms, electricity, time, thoughts, everything that exists, cares about us and we can talk with HIM. Of course we worship HIM! Haleluya!
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Post by Rick on Sept 27, 2017 10:32:40 GMT -6
Hello all, I'm not sure if this question has been asked or answered in another post or not. Have any of the Jewish people (Rabbinical or Messianic) proclaimed this year as as a Jubilee year? If so, when would the LAST trump be blown?
God Bless~
2Ti 2:15
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Post by David Anderson on Sept 27, 2017 11:58:34 GMT -6
I don't think they do claim it to be a Jubilee year because every calendar I can find says it is already the year 5778. Those calendars are: Chabad.org - www.chabad.org/calendar/view/day.asp?tdate=9/27/2017Hebcal - www.hebcal.com/converter/Ahavat Torat - www.ahavat-israel.com/torat/calendar(torahcalendar seems to be everybody's favorite but they removed the year after the year they claimed to be 6000 came and went) Correct me if I'm wrong but on a Jubilee year the year would change on Yom Kippur. Also, Everyone is talking about Sept 30 but when the sun sets in Israel it'll be still be Friday morning here. |
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Post by yardstick on Sept 27, 2017 12:15:02 GMT -6
I don't think they do claim it to be a Jubilee year because every calendar I can find says it is already the year 5778. Those calendars are: Chabad.org - www.chabad.org/calendar/view/day.asp?tdate=9/27/2017Hebcal - www.hebcal.com/converter/Ahavat Torat - www.ahavat-israel.com/torat/calendar(torahcalendar seems to be everybody's favorite but they removed the year after the year they claimed to be 6000 came and went) Correct me if I'm wrong but on a Jubilee year the year would change on Yom Kippur. Also, Everyone is talking about Sept 30 but when the sun sets in Israel it'll be still be Friday morning here. If one applies Lev 25:9, with the assumption that this year (5777) is a jubilee year, then the Trumpet is blown on the 10th day of the 7th month, Setting Rosh Hashana (New Year) to that date, rather than at Yom Teruah (9/21-22). There is to be a shofar to be blown throughout the land per this verse.
Also, all times are assumed to be Jerusalem time.
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 27, 2017 12:32:00 GMT -6
Hello all, I'm not sure if this question has been asked or answered in another post or not. Have any of the Jewish people (Rabbinical or Messianic) proclaimed this year as as a Jubilee year? If so, when would the LAST trump be blown? God Bless~ 2Ti 2:15 What I have understood, and I need to look to make sure this is accurate, but Israel has not proclaimed a Jubilee since they came into the land. They couldn't until they had a specific percentage of Jews living in the land again. Last year they announced the first year of beginning the count for the Jubilee, meaning in 2065 (I think, if I counted right) would be the first "official" Jubilee as proclaimed by the Sanhedrin in Israel. I don't know about Messianic Jews. Edit: found an article about it from last year: www.breakingisraelnews.com/71637/sanhedrin-declares-jubilee-third-arrival-jews-israel/#/ |
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Post by disciple4life on Sept 27, 2017 12:55:59 GMT -6
Here's my updated Jubilee's spreadsheet. These are two versions of Jubilee's based on the Watchman's Watchman Nisan-Adar Jubilee year. Missusmack, Thanks for the spreadsheet. I appreciate your time and work, and I really love the topic. We are all watchmen and women, looking for the same Messiah, and we are sharing pieces of the puzzle with the goal of seeing the same big picture. ;-) I have learned so much fro so many other watchmen, and like pastor Steve Cioccolanti said, "We are standing on the shoulders of those who have come before us."
This chart shows several dates, and goes back 100 years, but even if we go back 500 years, there are two big issues. All the people - prophecy teachers, and end-times experts are using Gregarian years - they cite 1967 and 1917. ***These events were monumental - huge pieces of the Eschatology puzzle - that were fulfilled by Israel becoming a nation and Israel reclaiming Jerusalem. But significant events - even if we go back 500 years - Including the work of Rabbi Ben Samuel - doesn't prove that that year was a Jubilee or that this year was a Jubilee year.
The Jewish calendar is off from the Gregorian calendar 1 day every 216 years. Even Jewish rabbis - well versed in Astronomy - born and raised on lunar cycles and tetrads and leap months and leap years - can't figure out if this is a Jubilee year, nor can anyone provide any evidence that any given year is a Leap year. ***If you remember, the same things were touted two years ago with the Blood moons - that 2015 was a Jubilee, and they will have new reasons to say the same next year. The Jewish year can have 6 possible lengths of days. - A regular year can be 353, 354 or 355 days, and
- And a Leap year can be 383, 384 or 385 days.
- There are 3 months every single year that can be either 29 or 30 days, and
- A leap year has an entire extra month - 30 extra days, and they are added 7 times every 19 year cycle. Metonic cycle. Every 2 years is too often - too many days, and every 3 years is too seldom - too few days.
- This is further complicated by the fact that there is Biblical and historical evidence that Jews themselves used Ancient calendar (As well as Babylonians and Egyptians) 360 days, and then for centuries - since approx. the 4th century they have used the Metonic cycle, with added or subtracted days and the leap years.
No one can prove when the Ancient cycle was stopped and the Metonic cycle started. I think the best theory - or hypothesis is that Christ returns and in perfect ultimate fulfillment - He re-establishes and fulfills the lost Jubilee years - The ultimate Freedom, and restoration of debts. His coming on a Jubilee year would really provoke the Jews to jealousy. That's my thought. I think if it could have been determined or proven - it would have been done so long before now. Maranatha
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 27, 2017 13:08:03 GMT -6
Here's my updated Jubilee's spreadsheet. These are two versions of Jubilee's based on the Watchman's Watchman Nisan-Adar Jubilee year. Missusmack, Thanks for the spreadsheet. I appreciate your time and work, and I really love the topic. We are all watchmen and women, looking for the same Messiah, and we are sharing pieces of the puzzle with the goal of seeing the same big picture. ;-) I have learned so much fro so many other watchmen, and like pastor Steve Cioccolanti said, "We are standing on the shoulders of those who have come before us."
This chart shows several dates, and goes back 100 years, but even if we go back 500 years, there are two big issues. All the people - prophecy teachers, and end-times experts are using Gregarian years - they cite 1967 and 1917. ***These events were monumental - huge pieces of the Eschatology puzzle - that were fulfilled by Israel becoming a nation and Israel reclaiming Jerusalem. But significant events - even if we go back 500 years - Including the work of Rabbi Ben Samuel - doesn't prove that that year was a Jubilee or that this year was a Jubilee year.
The Jewish calendar is off from the Gregorian calendar 1 day every 216 years. Even Jewish rabbis - well versed in Astronomy - born and raised on lunar cycles and tetrads and leap months and leap years - can't figure out if this is a Jubilee year, nor can anyone provide any evidence that any given year is a Leap year. ***If you remember, the same things were touted two years ago with the Blood moons - that 2015 was a Jubilee, and they will have new reasons to say the same next year. The Jewish year can have 6 possible lengths of days. - A regular year can be 353, 354 or 355 days, and
- And a Leap year can be 383, 384 or 385 days.
- There are 3 months every single year that can be either 29 or 30 days, and
- A leap year has an entire extra month - 30 extra days, and they are added 7 times every 19 year cycle. Metonic cycle. Every 2 years is too often - too many days, and every 3 years is too seldom - too few days.
- This is further complicated by the fact that there is Biblical and historical evidence that Jews themselves used Ancient calendar (As well as Babylonians and Egyptians) 360 days, and then for centuries - since approx. the 4th century they have used the Metonic cycle, with added or subtracted days and the leap years.
No one can prove when the Ancient cycle was stopped and the Metonic cycle started. I think the best theory - or hypothesis is that Christ returns and in perfect ultimate fulfillment - He re-establishes and fulfills the lost Jubilee years - The ultimate Freedom, and restoration of debts. His coming on a Jubilee year would really provoke the Jews to jealousy. That's my thought. I think if it could have been determined or proven - it would have been done so long before now. Maranatha
Just so we're clear, I was just working the information and assumptions provided by the Watchman's Watchman videos in order to understand and offer clarity to others about what he is talking about. Just because I worked it out doesn't mean I endorse the theory. Personally, I am skeptical about the Jubilee being this year and also the idea that the rapture will now occur on the Day of Atonement when the Jubilee would be proclaimed. I'm adopting a "watch and see" approach now that we know we are in the season because of the Sign that occurred, but I'm not endorsing another "date" for the rapture. I'm willing to entertain the possibility, but I will only watch and see. I don't know if these sentiments were expressed in this thread, but I have expressed them in others of similar theme. |
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Post by Rick on Sept 27, 2017 22:51:12 GMT -6
I don't think they do claim it to be a Jubilee year because every calendar I can find says it is already the year 5778. Those calendars are: Chabad.org - www.chabad.org/calendar/view/day.asp?tdate=9/27/2017Hebcal - www.hebcal.com/converter/Ahavat Torat - www.ahavat-israel.com/torat/calendar(torahcalendar seems to be everybody's favorite but they removed the year after the year they claimed to be 6000 came and went) Correct me if I'm wrong but on a Jubilee year the year would change on Yom Kippur. Also, Everyone is talking about Sept 30 but when the sun sets in Israel it'll be still be Friday morning here. I don't think they do claim it to be a Jubilee year because every calendar I can find says it is already the year 5778. Those calendars are: Chabad.org - www.chabad.org/calendar/view/day.asp?tdate=9/27/2017Hebcal - www.hebcal.com/converter/Ahavat Torat - www.ahavat-israel.com/torat/calendar(torahcalendar seems to be everybody's favorite but they removed the year after the year they claimed to be 6000 came and went) Correct me if I'm wrong but on a Jubilee year the year would change on Yom Kippur. Also, Everyone is talking about Sept 30 but when the sun sets in Israel it'll be still be Friday morning here. If one applies Lev 25:9, with the assumption that this year (5777) is a jubilee year, then the Trumpet is blown on the 10th day of the 7th month, Setting Rosh Hashana (New Year) to that date, rather than at Yom Teruah (9/21-22). There is to be a shofar to be blown throughout the land per this verse.
Also, all times are assumed to be Jerusalem time.
Hello all, I'm not sure if this question has been asked or answered in another post or not. Have any of the Jewish people (Rabbinical or Messianic) proclaimed this year as as a Jubilee year? If so, when would the LAST trump be blown? God Bless~ 2Ti 2:15 What I have understood, and I need to look to make sure this is accurate, but Israel has not proclaimed a Jubilee since they came into the land. They couldn't until they had a specific percentage of Jews living in the land again. Last year they announced the first year of beginning the count for the Jubilee, meaning in 2065 (I think, if I counted right) would be the first "official" Jubilee as proclaimed by the Sanhedrin in Israel. I don't know about Messianic Jews. Edit: found an article about it from last year: www.breakingisraelnews.com/71637/sanhedrin-declares-jubilee-third-arrival-jews-israel/#/Here's my updated Jubilee's spreadsheet. These are two versions of Jubilee's based on the Watchman's Watchman Nisan-Adar Jubilee year. Missusmack, Thanks for the spreadsheet. I appreciate your time and work, and I really love the topic. We are all watchmen and women, looking for the same Messiah, and we are sharing pieces of the puzzle with the goal of seeing the same big picture. ;-) I have learned so much fro so many other watchmen, and like pastor Steve Cioccolanti said, "We are standing on the shoulders of those who have come before us."
This chart shows several dates, and goes back 100 years, but even if we go back 500 years, there are two big issues. All the people - prophecy teachers, and end-times experts are using Gregarian years - they cite 1967 and 1917. ***These events were monumental - huge pieces of the Eschatology puzzle - that were fulfilled by Israel becoming a nation and Israel reclaiming Jerusalem. But significant events - even if we go back 500 years - Including the work of Rabbi Ben Samuel - doesn't prove that that year was a Jubilee or that this year was a Jubilee year.
The Jewish calendar is off from the Gregorian calendar 1 day every 216 years. Even Jewish rabbis - well versed in Astronomy - born and raised on lunar cycles and tetrads and leap months and leap years - can't figure out if this is a Jubilee year, nor can anyone provide any evidence that any given year is a Leap year. ***If you remember, the same things were touted two years ago with the Blood moons - that 2015 was a Jubilee, and they will have new reasons to say the same next year. The Jewish year can have 6 possible lengths of days. - A regular year can be 353, 354 or 355 days, and
- And a Leap year can be 383, 384 or 385 days.
- There are 3 months every single year that can be either 29 or 30 days, and
- A leap year has an entire extra month - 30 extra days, and they are added 7 times every 19 year cycle. Metonic cycle. Every 2 years is too often - too many days, and every 3 years is too seldom - too few days.
- This is further complicated by the fact that there is Biblical and historical evidence that Jews themselves used Ancient calendar (As well as Babylonians and Egyptians) 360 days, and then for centuries - since approx. the 4th century they have used the Metonic cycle, with added or subtracted days and the leap years.
No one can prove when the Ancient cycle was stopped and the Metonic cycle started. I think the best theory - or hypothesis is that Christ returns and in perfect ultimate fulfillment - He re-establishes and fulfills the lost Jubilee years - The ultimate Freedom, and restoration of debts. His coming on a Jubilee year would really provoke the Jews to jealousy. That's my thought. I think if it could have been determined or proven - it would have been done so long before now. Maranatha
Well thank you all for your input. The information you provided is extremely profound and the implications are Kingly in nature. Some are called to preach, and some to teach, some are called to missions and some to evangelize, but we are all called to watch. Together we are watching for our Blessed Hope. In that hope is our salvation, His blood He shed for our transgressions, His life He gave so we could live, no greater gift had He to give. It is free, for all to have, no other works can we add. The price He paid, He paid for all! God Bless~ |
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Post by disciple4life on Sept 28, 2017 0:27:45 GMT -6
Hello all, I'm not sure if this question has been asked or answered in another post or not. Have any of the Jewish people (Rabbinical or Messianic) proclaimed this year as as a Jubilee year? If so, when would the LAST trump be blown? God Bless~ 2Ti 2:15 Hello my brother. ;-)
Actually there's a link on this thread - (I haven't read the article yet) and Paul Begley has a You-Tube video - (very short 4-5 minutes ) that shows that the Sanhedrin declared Last year was the Jubilee year. ;-(
I really think people are stretching things on this one. I hope this is the year. I pray that it is this weekend. I see tons of natural disasters, bizarre and record-breaking weather - hurricanes, fires, earthquakes, and we are on the brink of war with NK. -What's more, Israel becoming a nation, and Jerusalem are two huge cornerstones of Eschatology that have been fulfilled. -I'll be honest it feels like labor pains - I struggle to understand how all these dates can line up and the eclipse on the 1st of Elul and the 40 days to Day of Atonement, and then what seems blatantly clear - like a 7 day warning (from the Sept alignment to Day of Atonement) if this is not the Year.  What am I missing. ?
-If we are correct in understanding Jesus' words about the fig tree being Israel - and his words of this generation not passing away - then we are at the 70 year mark - a generation, and that window is closing very quickly. 3-4 years max. ?? I'm only human - a watchman doing the best I can to study, and listen and walk in humility. At the same time - people are not practicing sound Hermeneutics. The Jubilee was claimed and proclaimed last year - No evidence anywhere in scripture that it was EVER practiced by the Jews. No Evidence from anyone I have seen or heard that anyone can prove that any year was a Jubilee year, or even which calendar to use. All it says in the passage of Leviticus about Jubilee is that a trumpet should be blown on Day of Atonement. - It tells us the month and the exact day. That part is as crystal clear as anything in scripture.
In all honesty - I get annoyed and irritated by people who claim that the Rev 12 sign was fulfilled. Really? Was there a harpazo event and no reports of anyone missing? I know that we still have to the weekend. What then?? - will people then say that the best date is Feast of Booths? It's already written that it will be fulfilled at the end of the age. Maranatha. come quickly Lord Jesus.
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 28, 2017 4:56:29 GMT -6
Hello all, I'm not sure if this question has been asked or answered in another post or not. Have any of the Jewish people (Rabbinical or Messianic) proclaimed this year as as a Jubilee year? If so, when would the LAST trump be blown? God Bless~ 2Ti 2:15 Hello my brother. ;-)
Actually there's a link on this thread - (I haven't read the article yet) and Paul Begley has a You-Tube video - (very short 4-5 minutes ) that shows that the Sanhedrin declared Last year was the Jubilee year. ;-(
I really think people are stretching things on this one. I hope this is the year. I pray that it is this weekend. I see tons of natural disasters, bizarre and record-breaking weather - hurricanes, fires, earthquakes, and we are on the brink of war with NK. -What's more, Israel becoming a nation, and Jerusalem are two huge cornerstones of Eschatology that have been fulfilled. -I'll be honest it feels like labor pains - I struggle to understand how all these dates can line up and the eclipse on the 1st of Elul and the 40 days to Day of Atonement, and then what seems blatantly clear - like a 7 day warning (from the Sept alignment to Day of Atonement) if this is not the Year. What am I missing. ?
-If we are correct in understanding Jesus' words about the fig tree being Israel - and his words of this generation not passing away - then we are at the 70 year mark - a generation, and that window is closing very quickly. 3-4 years max. ?? I'm only human - a watchman doing the best I can to study, and listen and walk in humility. At the same time - people are not practicing sound Hermeneutics. The Jubilee was claimed and proclaimed last year - No evidence anywhere in scripture that it was EVER practiced by the Jews. No Evidence from anyone I have seen or heard that anyone can prove that any year was a Jubilee year, or even which calendar to use. All it says in the passage of Leviticus about Jubilee is that a trumpet should be blown on Day of Atonement. - It tells us the month and the exact day. That part is as crystal clear as anything in scripture.
In all honesty - I get annoyed and irritated by people who claim that the Rev 12 sign was fulfilled. Really? Was there a harpazo event and no reports of anyone missing? I know that we still have to the weekend. What then?? - will people then say that the best date is Feast of Booths? It's already written that it will be fulfilled at the end of the age. Maranatha. come quickly Lord Jesus.
No, they didn't proclaim last year to be the jubilee, just the beginning of the count for the next one. I suppose if they do a 49 year cycle, you could say last year would've been the Jubilee (since the 1st year is also the 50th of the last cycle), but they didn't proclaim it. |
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Post by james on Sept 28, 2017 6:48:01 GMT -6
I think most people who are using the Jubilee as reference are not talking about the old way of marking years, but rather as a way of marking time passed. 50 years since the retaking of Jerusalem, marking a Jubilee. Technically, the Pope declared last year to be a Jubilee, even though he does not have the authority.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 9:06:59 GMT -6
Hello all, I'm not sure if this question has been asked or answered in another post or not. Have any of the Jewish people (Rabbinical or Messianic) proclaimed this year as as a Jubilee year? If so, when would the LAST trump be blown? God Bless~ 2Ti 2:15 Hello my brother. ;-)
Actually there's a link on this thread - (I haven't read the article yet) and Paul Begley has a You-Tube video - (very short 4-5 minutes ) that shows that the Sanhedrin declared Last year was the Jubilee year. ;-(
I really think people are stretching things on this one. I hope this is the year. I pray that it is this weekend. I see tons of natural disasters, bizarre and record-breaking weather - hurricanes, fires, earthquakes, and we are on the brink of war with NK. -What's more, Israel becoming a nation, and Jerusalem are two huge cornerstones of Eschatology that have been fulfilled. -I'll be honest it feels like labor pains - I struggle to understand how all these dates can line up and the eclipse on the 1st of Elul and the 40 days to Day of Atonement, and then what seems blatantly clear - like a 7 day warning (from the Sept alignment to Day of Atonement) if this is not the Year. What am I missing. ?
-If we are correct in understanding Jesus' words about the fig tree being Israel - and his words of this generation not passing away - then we are at the 70 year mark - a generation, and that window is closing very quickly. 3-4 years max. ?? I'm only human - a watchman doing the best I can to study, and listen and walk in humility. At the same time - people are not practicing sound Hermeneutics. The Jubilee was claimed and proclaimed last year - No evidence anywhere in scripture that it was EVER practiced by the Jews. No Evidence from anyone I have seen or heard that anyone can prove that any year was a Jubilee year, or even which calendar to use. All it says in the passage of Leviticus about Jubilee is that a trumpet should be blown on Day of Atonement. - It tells us the month and the exact day. That part is as crystal clear as anything in scripture.
In all honesty - I get annoyed and irritated by people who claim that the Rev 12 sign was fulfilled. Really? Was there a harpazo event and no reports of anyone missing? I know that we still have to the weekend. What then?? - will people then say that the best date is Feast of Booths? It's already written that it will be fulfilled at the end of the age. Maranatha. come quickly Lord Jesus.
, I totally agree with you in regard to our lack of knowing which year was / is a jubilee year. But I am genuinely curious about your position on the alignment that took place on 9/23-9/24. You say "I get annoyed and irritated by people who claim that the Rev 12 sign was fulfilled." I promise I'm not arguing. I do feel differently than you on this point, but I am very interested in how you explain what took place? 1. Do you believe the alignment was merely coincidental? That it had no meaning whatsoever? 2. Do you believe that it was a sign from God, but not related at all to the first couple verses of Rev 12? |
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What am I missing. ?