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Post by uscgvet on Sept 18, 2017 20:43:37 GMT -6
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Post by chohouston on Sept 18, 2017 22:33:19 GMT -6
Definitely worth a look... Had some wow moments.
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Post by Rick on Sept 19, 2017 8:03:11 GMT -6
Hello uscgvet , thank you so much for the links to the watchman video. I knew as stated in this post unsealed.boards.net/post/10772 that there was still something missing. I had already watched the video in my post here unsealed.boards.net/post/10866 but didn't quite make the connection. Then after watching the video you posted it just clicked and the Holy Spirit seemed to move all over me. I knew that was the missing link. I'm fairly certain I know which day the catching away is and for me it isn't Sept 23rd. Because this is my humble opinion and I, like any man am falllible I will keep my opinions to my self as not to step on anyone's toes. Yeshua bless you my brother and, Keep Looking Up!! 2Ti 2:15 |
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Post by yardstick on Sept 20, 2017 12:34:25 GMT -6
An intriguing hypothesis!
I will not complain about getting an extra week to wrap things up before getting out!
9/30 is still within the probability distribution window!
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Post by yardstick on Sept 22, 2017 10:07:11 GMT -6
If it gets out past November, then I'll be willing to drop back and punt.
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 22, 2017 22:42:06 GMT -6
I finally watched these two videos. I was really confused about what he was talking about until I realized in the second video he was saying the Jubilee should be counted from the Religious calendar (meaning starting at Nisan 1). I couldn't make heads or tails of his graph he uses in the video. I worked it out on a spread sheet. It ONLY works if one assumes each Jubilee set is literally 50 years with no overlap. That is 7 sets of 7 years and then a year of Jubilee. The year following the Jubilee year is year #1 of the next set. So it would literally be 50 years then 50 years. However, it is unclear if in scripture if the Jubilee is a year set apart or is included in the following Jubilee cycle (becoming the 1st year of the new set). This has been debated a lot and I'm not sure if there is a consensus on it. Having Jubilees years that are separate from the 7 sets of 7 interrupts those cycles. If you use the 49 year Jubilee set and start with the Hebrew year when the Balfour Declaration came out (5678) then the 6 Day War occurs in the year FOLLOWING the next Jubilee, and 2015/2016 would have been the most recent Jubilee year. Another problem I see is that he's claiming the start of the year is Nisan in the spring, but the declaration for the Jubilee is not until the Fall Feast of Atonement. So, is it a Jubilee year before it is proclaimed? Would they then not sow in the spring of the year coming up on a Jubilee? This would mean right now is already a Jubilee year and has been since Nisan, but it won't be proclaimed to be a Jubilee until next week, over 7 months later. This seems like a really confusing way to deal with this. I just don't know about this interpretation. I'm attaching my spread sheet in case anyone wants to see what in the world I'm talking about. (If you can decipher MY work, lol!) Jubilees.xlsx (12.48 KB) |
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Post by hillary on Sept 23, 2017 20:50:09 GMT -6
I finally watched these two videos. I was really confused about what he was talking about until I realized in the second video he was saying the Jubilee should be counted from the Religious calendar (meaning starting at Nisan 1). I couldn't make heads or tails of his graph he uses in the video. I worked it out on a spread sheet. It ONLY works if one assumes each Jubilee set is literally 50 years with no overlap. That is 7 sets of 7 years and then a year of Jubilee. The year following the Jubilee year is year #1 of the next set. So it would literally be 50 years then 50 years. However, it is unclear if in scripture if the Jubilee is a year set apart or is included in the following Jubilee cycle (becoming the 1st year of the new set). This has been debated a lot and I'm not sure if there is a consensus on it. Having Jubilees years that are separate from the 7 sets of 7 interrupts those cycles. If you use the 49 year Jubilee set and start with the Hebrew year when the Balfour Declaration came out (5678) then the 6 Day War occurs in the year FOLLOWING the next Jubilee, and 2015/2016 would have been the most recent Jubilee year. Another problem I see is that he's claiming the start of the year is Nisan in the spring, but the declaration for the Jubilee is not until the Fall Feast of Atonement. So, is it a Jubilee year before it is proclaimed? Would they then not sow in the spring of the year coming up on a Jubilee? This would mean right now is already a Jubilee year and has been since Nisan, but it won't be proclaimed to be a Jubilee until next week, over 7 months later. This seems like a really confusing way to deal with this. I just don't know about this interpretation. I'm attaching my spread sheet in case anyone wants to see what in the world I'm talking about. (If you can decipher MY work, lol!) Awesome spreadsheet! I’ve read that the 49 vs 50 year Jubilee cycle is debated even among the orthodox Jews so I’m not sure I could settle that, but if we go by what the Jubilee is actually FOR, I would go with the blue section of your chart / 50-year cycle. The Jubilee is for reclaiming possessions and releasing debts. In 1967, in the 6-day war, Jerusalem came back into the hands of the Jews. I could be wrong but this feels like a significant marker. Not to mention that the 6-day war had God’s miraculous hands all over it. It seems to me that He worked with them like He did in the Bible days to help them win, so this also seems to indicate that He wanted this time marked. SaveSave |
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Post by AlwaysPraying on Sept 23, 2017 21:48:18 GMT -6
Very interesting. I enjoy seeing people dig into this topic. There are a lot of moving parts when trying to interpret prophecy.
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Post by Rick on Sept 23, 2017 21:53:42 GMT -6
I finally watched these two videos. I was really confused about what he was talking about until I realized in the second video he was saying the Jubilee should be counted from the Religious calendar (meaning starting at Nisan 1). I couldn't make heads or tails of his graph he uses in the video. I worked it out on a spread sheet. It ONLY works if one assumes each Jubilee set is literally 50 years with no overlap. That is 7 sets of 7 years and then a year of Jubilee. The year following the Jubilee year is year #1 of the next set. So it would literally be 50 years then 50 years. However, it is unclear if in scripture if the Jubilee is a year set apart or is included in the following Jubilee cycle (becoming the 1st year of the new set). This has been debated a lot and I'm not sure if there is a consensus on it. Having Jubilees years that are separate from the 7 sets of 7 interrupts those cycles. If you use the 49 year Jubilee set and start with the Hebrew year when the Balfour Declaration came out (5678) then the 6 Day War occurs in the year FOLLOWING the next Jubilee, and 2015/2016 would have been the most recent Jubilee year. Another problem I see is that he's claiming the start of the year is Nisan in the spring, but the declaration for the Jubilee is not until the Fall Feast of Atonement. So, is it a Jubilee year before it is proclaimed? Would they then not sow in the spring of the year coming up on a Jubilee? This would mean right now is already a Jubilee year and has been since Nisan, but it won't be proclaimed to be a Jubilee until next week, over 7 months later. This seems like a really confusing way to deal with this. I just don't know about this interpretation. I'm attaching my spread sheet in case anyone wants to see what in the world I'm talking about. (If you can decipher MY work, lol!) You make some very valid points MissusMack08 and although I have some thoughts I'm sure they won't address your questions. What I can say is that we assume to much. We are assuming that this is the correct Jubilee year and although it could very well be, I am not convinced it is. I know for certain that even the Jewish people are unable to reconcile this problem because they have not been in the land long enough to celebrate a Jubilee since the time Daniel was a young boy. I forget the dates and I could be remembering wrong  |
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Post by daniel on Sept 24, 2017 19:32:04 GMT -6
Cautious but Hopeful
Since we are all still here, I've been looking through these Jubilee rapture videos:
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...and searching for myself through the Word, and praying. I have to confess, the Jubilee rapture theory seems not only plausible, but might solve an apparent problem that has been bugging me for years:
The Spring and Fall Feasts Fulfillment Inconsistency
If Jesus were to have caught up His Body/Bride on 9/21-9/23 to fulfill the Feast of Trumpets, and then fulfilled the Feast of Atonement in 2024, this would create an inconsistency in the way the Fall Feasts are fulfilled (with a time gap), compared to how He fulfilled the Spring Feasts (back-to-back). Could there be a way He could fulfill the fall feasts consistently, but still spare His Church from the Tribulation?
Solution 1 - FoT repeat fulfillment
Jesus could fulfill the FoT again for the Jews and Tribulation Saints when he returns. This is where my mind has been for years.
Solution 2 - Jubilee Rapture
Assuming this is a Jubilee year (who knows?), Jesus could snatch away the Church on this special trumpet, the LAST trumpet mentioned in Leviticus. Perhaps the Jubilee rapture would be the event that starts the "prophetic clock" again, after it has been paused for almost 2000 years, hinted at when Jesus quoted the "Messianic Jubilee" in Isaiah 61:1-2, stopping at a comma (thanks, Chuck Missler). I know Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15 that this "change" would occur at "the last trump". It is interesting that Paul didn't explicitly identify this with the FoT... it was just implied. Maybe this was intentional, so that we would see it as both the FoT "last trump" and the "last trump" mentioned in Leviticus - each at the appropriate times.
So I'm cautious but hopeful. If He delays His coming, we should try to stay awake and watch. And until He comes, we should continue the work He has for us.
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Post by uscgvet on Sept 24, 2017 20:46:37 GMT -6
Cautious but HopefulSince we are all still here, I've been looking through these Jubilee rapture videos: * * * ...and searching for myself through the Word, and praying. I have to confess, the Jubilee rapture theory seems not only plausible, but might solve an apparent problem that has been bugging me for years: The Spring and Fall Feasts Fulfillment InconsistencyIf Jesus were to have caught up His Body/Bride on 9/21-9/23 to fulfill the Feast of Trumpets, and then fulfilled the Feast of Atonement in 2024, this would create an inconsistency in the way the Fall Feasts are fulfilled (with a time gap), compared to how He fulfilled the Spring Feasts (back-to-back). Could there be a way He could fulfill the fall feasts consistently, but still spare His Church from the Tribulation? Solution 1 - FoT repeat fulfillmentJesus could fulfill the FoT again for the Jews and Tribulation Saints when he returns. This is where my mind has been for years. Solution 2 - Jubilee RaptureAssuming this is a Jubilee year (who knows?), Jesus could snatch away the Church on this special trumpet, the LAST trumpet mentioned in Leviticus. Perhaps the Jubilee rapture would be the event that starts the "prophetic clock" again, after it has been paused for almost 2000 years, hinted at when Jesus quoted the "Messianic Jubilee" in Isaiah 61:1-2, stopping at a comma (thanks, Chuck Missler). I know Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15 that this "change" would occur at "the last trump". It is interesting that Paul didn't explicitly identify this with the FoT... it was just implied. Maybe this was intentional, so that we would see it as both the FoT "last trump" and the "last trump" mentioned in Leviticus - each at the appropriate times. So I'm cautious but hopeful. If He delays His coming, we should try to stay awake and watch. And until He comes, we should continue the work He has for us. Hopeful as well. Good comments though! |
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Post by disciple4life on Sept 25, 2017 8:12:36 GMT -6
I finally watched these two videos. I was really confused about what he was talking about until I realized in the second video he was saying the Jubilee should be counted from the Religious calendar (meaning starting at Nisan 1). I couldn't make heads or tails of his graph he uses in the video. I worked it out on a spread sheet. It ONLY works if one assumes each Jubilee set is literally 50 years with no overlap. That is 7 sets of 7 years and then a year of Jubilee. The year following the Jubilee year is year #1 of the next set. So it would literally be 50 years then 50 years. However, it is unclear if in scripture if the Jubilee is a year set apart or is included in the following Jubilee cycle (becoming the 1st year of the new set). This has been debated a lot and I'm not sure if there is a consensus on it. Having Jubilees years that are separate from the 7 sets of 7 interrupts those cycles. If you use the 49 year Jubilee set and start with the Hebrew year when the Balfour Declaration came out (5678) then the 6 Day War occurs in the year FOLLOWING the next Jubilee, and 2015/2016 would have been the most recent Jubilee year. Another problem I see is that he's claiming the start of the year is Nisan in the spring, but the declaration for the Jubilee is not until the Fall Feast of Atonement. So, is it a Jubilee year before it is proclaimed? Would they then not sow in the spring of the year coming up on a Jubilee? This would mean right now is already a Jubilee year and has been since Nisan, but it won't be proclaimed to be a Jubilee until next week, over 7 months later. This seems like a really confusing way to deal with this. I just don't know about this interpretation. I'm attaching my spread sheet in case anyone wants to see what in the world I'm talking about. (If you can decipher MY work, lol!) You make some very valid points MissusMack08 and although I have some thoughts I'm sure they won't address your questions. What I can say is that we assume to much. We are assuming that this is the correct Jubilee year and although it could very well be, I am not convinced it is. I know for certain that even the Jewish people are unable to reconcile this problem because they have not been in the land long enough to celebrate a Jubilee since the time Daniel was a young boy. I forget the dates and I could be remembering wrong Hello Rick, This is spot on, Friend, what I've been saying over and over. This is a very interesting hypothesis, but I have two problems with the video. Right off the bat he said that the Sign was on Feast of Trumpets. ;-( What ever people feel about the 'alignment/ alleged Rev 12 sign' it was NOT on Feast of Trumpets. Yom Teruah was 21 and 22nd. That's one of the multiple reasons I didn't think the alignment was a sign. The other huge, huge thing - so many are missing - The Jubilee concept is nice, but the Jewish year can be 6 different days. - Regular (non-leap year) years are either 353, 354 or 355 days. 3 different months in every year can be either 29 or 30 days.
- Leap years happen 7 times in a 19 year Metonic cycle - and these leap years can be 383, 384 or 385 days.
- In any given 7 year period, that starts on any given date, it will have 5 regular years, and 2 leap years.
I'm not saying no one can provide evidence, but so far, I've asked lots of You-tube end-times gurus and prophecy teachers and even Messianic rabbis and non-Christian rabbis can not give evidence to know what year was a Jubilee year. ***To make matters more complicated, the lunar cycle is 29 1/2 days and so the Jewish calendar is off by a day every 216 year of the Gregarian calendar. ***This is why all the alleged Tribulation timelines don't work. None of these take into account both the leap years - 7 in 19 years, and the 3 changing months every year.
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Post by Rick on Sept 25, 2017 9:50:09 GMT -6
Good morning all, peace and grace be with you all. This may be a little off topic but I just finished watching this video called, Mazzaroth the story of Yeshua. I found it to be very interesting, so much so that I started watching it and before I knew it, it was 3:30 am so I had to finish it this morning lol.
God Bless~ and Keep Looking Up!
2Ti 2:15
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Post by uscgvet on Sept 25, 2017 11:25:38 GMT -6
Steve Cioccolanti made a cute parody on the Rev 12 alignment. LOL
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 25, 2017 15:52:21 GMT -6
Here's my updated Jubilee's spreadsheet. These are two versions of Jubilee's based on the Watchman's Watchman Nisan-Adar Jubilee year. Jubilees.xlsx (13.59 KB) |
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