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Post by rt on Sept 14, 2017 21:32:16 GMT -6
Sept 9, 2017 15:20:50 GMT -4 MissusMack08 said: “Seventy weeks are determined For your people and for your holy city, To finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness, To seal up vision and prophecy, And to anoint the Most Holy." (Dan. 9:24) I think you are a bit confused here. Jesus has already completed these, possibly the last two (seal up vision and anoint the Most Holy) still has outstanding work – but all the rest has been taken care of. These prophetic words are from God’s point of View (outside time) – sin has ended and all has been reconcilable to God, there is now everlasting righteousness. Yes Jesus did complete these tasks for us, but that is not what the prophecy says, the "people" (Daniel's people the Jews) and "the holy city" (Jerusalem) have to complete these things. That is the purpose for the 70 weeks. Jesus made it possible for them to complete, without His death and resurrection they could not accomplish it- ever. He will complete these tasks through and in them. Israel has to be re-grafted into God's plan of salvation that is the purpose for the 70 weeks- to restore the nation of Israel. As for sealing up prophecy, the idea I believe is that there will be no more prophesying and people will no longer have visions. When the 70 weeks are completed, these goals will be achieved by the nation of Israel and Jerusalem. No one will give prophecies or have visions, because Jesus will visibly reign for 1000 years, there will no longer be a need. I do not think it means that there will no longer be prophecy that will be fulfilled. Israel will finish their transgression, they will make an end of their sin of rebellion against God, they will be reconciled to God by repentance, they will no longer prophecy or have visions. |
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Post by rt on Sept 14, 2017 21:42:23 GMT -6
Zechariah talks about the fulfillment of Daniel 9:24 which will be fulfilled when Christ returns to do battle at the end of the seventieth week.
Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression,
To make an end of sin,
To make atonement for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy
And to anoint the most holy place.
Zechariah 12 gives the context of when this fulfillment will begin to happen, when Jerusalem is attacked. I believe that this fulfillment will begin shortly after the Abomination of Desolation when Antichrist's locust Armies are loosed upon Jerusalem and the rest of the world, and will end with Christ's Victory at Armageddon. Matthew’s account says that it is the Abomination of Desolation standing in the Holy place that is the sign to flee. Luke says it is when Jerusalem is surrounded by armies.
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 14, 2017 22:56:27 GMT -6
Thank you, rt, that's amazing! |
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Post by yardstick on Sept 21, 2017 9:04:03 GMT -6
I don't know how much I buy his theory that there will be no mortals left alive on earth after the mid point, when, according to his theory, Jesus returns, the big "asteroid" from the collision between Jupiter and whatever occurs, and the AC proclaims himself God. It does say in Revelation, the martyrs under the throne are told to wait until the number of their brethren killed as they were is complete, but how do we know there are NO mortal survivors evading capture by the AC out in the world? Who exactly makes up "the nations" of the Millenium (specifically Egypt is named) who are supposed to go up to worship the Lord and keep the feast of Tabernacles? Why are the leaves of the tree of life needed to heal "the nations" if there are not any nation of mortals other than Israel? The point I started out trying to make, is Mr. Prinsloo is suggesting that there is only the remnant of Israel left at the mid-point, so the "no flesh would be saved" would have to be referring to them, except they are being supernaturally protected by God, possibly by Jesus himself and us. Sooo, God isn't able to supernaturally continue to protect Israel unless He shortens the days? That doesn't make sense. It must be referring to "other" flesh in the world, not Israel. If that's the case, then the enormous pyroclastic, earth destroying asteroid and judgments cannot occur. They cannot be THAT severe or the "other" flesh would not be saved. I think there are some definite discrepancies in his theory here. "How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1,335 days!" biblehub.com/daniel/12-12.htmThis passage seems to indicate that there will be survivors. |
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Post by yardstick on Sept 21, 2017 9:11:48 GMT -6
I think it means the hours in the days are shortened, but the amount of days will remain the same according to the day counts (sundown to sundown, even though it's only 16 hours). So still 7 years worth of "days," however long the actual days are. With this kind of change, people are going to be messed up with their wake/sleep cycles. I could see them getting confused and miscounting especially if something else obscures the sun and light for multiple days. I think this is where the texts of Jesus saying, "if they say he is in the wilderness, do not go out..." etc and possibly the "no man knows the day or the hour" type verses may come into play. Especially, if the AC tries to "change laws and times." I bet there's going to be a LOT of confusion about the days. Had to comment on this, even though its a bit late. Has anyone considered the shortening of days to indicate a change from 365.25 days per year back to what may have originally been the 360 day solar year? I believe there are a few hypotheses about how the solar calendar used to be 360 days and was lengthened to 365.25 (at the flood?) |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 21, 2017 9:34:56 GMT -6
yardstick , I suppose that's possible, though it doesn't shorten the days by very much, a little over 1 month?
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Post by yardstick on Sept 22, 2017 8:13:03 GMT -6
yardstick , I suppose that's possible, though it doesn't shorten the days by very much, a little over 1 month? Maybe a month is enough? Consider that the judgements affecting the plants and sea occur long before the end of the Trib. Consider with no plants the ecological cycle will be broken. The herbivores cannot survive, and the predators who are dependent upon them then will also not survive. No plants = no food to eat. Consider how long someone could go without food before dying of starvation. What will humanity eat? Each other. Starting with the babies. |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 22, 2017 9:21:05 GMT -6
yardstick , I suppose that's possible, though it doesn't shorten the days by very much, a little over 1 month? Maybe a month is enough? Consider that the judgements affecting the plants and sea occur long before the end of the Trib. Consider with no plants the ecological cycle will be broken. The herbivores cannot survive, and the predators who are dependent upon them then will also not survive. No plants = no food to eat. Consider how long someone could go without food before dying of starvation. What will humanity eat? Each other. Starting with the babies. It's possible. I still go back to revelation verse that talks about the sun and moon not shining for a 1/3 of the day AND 1/3 of the night. Sounds like the 24 hour day is shortened by a third to me. |
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Post by yardstick on Sept 22, 2017 9:50:06 GMT -6
Maybe a month is enough? Consider that the judgements affecting the plants and sea occur long before the end of the Trib. Consider with no plants the ecological cycle will be broken. The herbivores cannot survive, and the predators who are dependent upon them then will also not survive. No plants = no food to eat. Consider how long someone could go without food before dying of starvation. What will humanity eat? Each other. Starting with the babies. It's possible. I still go back to revelation verse that talks about the sun and moon not shining for a 1/3 of the day AND 1/3 of the night. Sounds like the 24 hour day is shortened by a third to me. Could be! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 10:15:45 GMT -6
Maybe a month is enough? Consider that the judgements affecting the plants and sea occur long before the end of the Trib. Consider with no plants the ecological cycle will be broken. The herbivores cannot survive, and the predators who are dependent upon them then will also not survive. No plants = no food to eat. Consider how long someone could go without food before dying of starvation. What will humanity eat? Each other. Starting with the babies. It's possible. I still go back to revelation verse that talks about the sun and moon not shining for a 1/3 of the day AND 1/3 of the night. Sounds like the 24 hour day is shortened by a third to me. When you read the text in Rev 8:12 carefully, it says that the stars were darkened. If the earths rotation were to be increased, the stars would still shine with the same intensity, no matter how long the day or the night is supposed to be. Thus, I consider this hypothesis as invalid. Seems a bit illogical to me.... |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 22, 2017 10:36:13 GMT -6
It's possible. I still go back to revelation verse that talks about the sun and moon not shining for a 1/3 of the day AND 1/3 of the night. Sounds like the 24 hour day is shortened by a third to me. When you read the text in Rev 8:12 carefully, it says that the stars were darkened. If the earths rotation were to be increased, the stars would still shine with the same intensity, no matter how long the day or the night is supposed to be. Thus, I consider this hypothesis as invalid. Seems a bit illogical to me.... Here's the text: "And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise." Yes they are darkened, but the Day also does not "shine for a third part" and neither the night. So what could be an alternate explanation that explains all parts? Maybe the stars etc are darkened and also the days are shorter...? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 15:13:39 GMT -6
Hm....way more logical to me seems a darkening by some kind of dust like volcanic ash.
Even if the rotation is accelerated, they would shine exactly the same time of the then new length of the day or the night.
To me this is a bit a stretch.
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Post by yardstick on Sept 22, 2017 15:27:29 GMT -6
Hm....way more logical to me seems a darkening by some kind of dust like volcanic ash. Even if the rotation is accelerated, they would shine exactly the same time of the then new length of the day or the night. To me this is a bit a stretch. Another possibility is a thinning of the earth's atmosphere. Check out Mar's atmo as an example. Thinner than ours, and the stars are dimmed, IMHO. www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mars/images/index.html     BTW, during sunset pictures do look like there is a fair amount of dust in the air... |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 22, 2017 15:38:03 GMT -6
Hm....way more logical to me seems a darkening by some kind of dust like volcanic ash. Even if the rotation is accelerated, they would shine exactly the same time of the then new length of the day or the night. To me this is a bit a stretch. I think there's a good chance there's no way we can guess correctly on all things what's going to take place during the Tribulation. The people living through it will know exactly what it means. |
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