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Post by yardstick on Jul 19, 2017 16:27:15 GMT -6
So, I found something odd in the context of Revelation 10, and I was hoping someone might be able to help me out with it:
verses 1-4
1Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven. He was robed in a cloud, with a rainbow above his head; his face was like the sun, and his legs were like fiery pillars. 2He was holding a little scroll, which lay open in his hand. He planted his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land, 3and he gave a loud shout like the roar of a lion. When he shouted, the voices of the seven thunders spoke. 4And when the seven thunders spoke, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven say, “Seal up what the seven thunders have said and do not write it down.”
Which seven thunders? Where is the reference to them before this?
It looks like there is still something that is not unsealed? Why is that? What do you think?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 17:40:13 GMT -6
I've wondered about them. It's probably to humble us, to remind us that only God knows everything. Or, what they said would have given away the time frame, and God withheld it so that all generations would have that blessed hope.
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Post by whatif on Jul 19, 2017 19:26:26 GMT -6
Such a great question, yardstick! How I wish I knew what the 7 thunders said!
It seems thunder is associated frequently in the Bible with the Lord's voice and with His coming to Earth at the end of the tribulation. We also find thunder mentioned as being heard within the throne room of God in Revelation 4:5, "From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. In front of the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits of God."
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Post by watchmanjim on Jul 19, 2017 20:16:33 GMT -6
Is this the angel you're referring to?  Attachments:
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Post by whatif on Jul 19, 2017 23:27:04 GMT -6
What a beautiful photo, watchmanjim!
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Post by mike on Jul 20, 2017 7:19:14 GMT -6
So, I found something odd in the context of Revelation 10, and I was hoping someone might be able to help me out with it: verses 1-4 1Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven. He was robed in a cloud, with a rainbow above his head; his face was like the sun, and his legs were like fiery pillars. 2He was holding a little scroll, which lay open in his hand. He planted his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land, 3and he gave a loud shout like the roar of a lion. When he shouted, the voices of the seven thunders spoke. 4And when the seven thunders spoke, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven say, “ Seal up what the seven thunders have said and do not write it down.” Which seven thunders? Where is the reference to them before this? It looks like there is still something that is not unsealed? Why is that? What do you think? I have often wondered about this myself, especially why John couldnt write it down. What did the Lord suppress? The angel is one of "higher rank" than those preceding him in chapter 9 as indicated by identifying him as mighty, face like the sun, and fiery pillars (legs). Clothed with a cloud is intriguing as Jesus ascended into the clouds and will return the same way...The rainbow which also is about the throne in Rev 4, would represent peace and/or mercy rather than judgement as the prior six angels announce. He was holding a small message (little scroll) which was open where John could possibly see the message of the scroll. He shouted which would seem to be something to announce or say "pay attention GOD is about to speak" which seems to me the 7 thunders is the Lord delivering the message which John was told not to write. The thunders themselves dont seem to be anyplace else in scripture, but based on other verses it would appear it is the Lord speaking. In verse 6 he (the angel) swears by God...and in verse 7 says the mystery is finished "But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets." Is he announcing the coming of the Kingdom? Perhaps. Thats all I got |
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Post by socalexile on Jul 20, 2017 8:22:17 GMT -6
Remember that "angel" in Greek (angelos) and Hebrew (Malach) simply mean "messenger" and can refer to human and heavenly messengers - Christ Himself is referred to in the Old Testament as "The Angel (Messenger) of the Lord" even though He is an uncreated part of the triune God.
People who read Revelation as a split-chronology (not sure of the actual term for it), who believe that Rev 4-10 picture things from a heavenly point-of-view and Rev. 12-19 picture things from an Earthly point-of-view believe that the messenger of Rev, 10 is Christ as detailed in His return.
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Post by socalexile on Jul 20, 2017 8:23:51 GMT -6
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Post by whatif on Jul 20, 2017 10:14:50 GMT -6
The topic of thunder reminds me that Jesus named the disciples James and John "Sons of Thunder." Might this be related in some way to the imagery of the 7 thunders?
Mark 3:16-19 These are the twelve he appointed: Simon (to whom he gave the name Peter), James son of Zebedee and his brother John (to them he gave the name Boanerges, which means “sons of thunder”), Andrew, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, James son of Alphaeus, Thaddaeus, Simon the Zealot and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him.
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Post by Gary on Jul 20, 2017 10:37:32 GMT -6
Interesting thoughts, all. I think Beloved said it well - had the message been revealed it may have given away the exact timing of the rapture and/or second coming, which would have prevented the Church from experiencing the purifying effects of the Blessed Hope throughout Church history. But Revelation 10 is there for a reason. Perhaps it will be revealed once the Church leaves and the Two Witnesses arrive.
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Post by watchmanjim on Jul 20, 2017 23:18:39 GMT -6
Well seeing how this website is "Unsealed" and how God is unsealing the various sealed up portions of Scripture in these last days, maybe we should all pray and ask Him whether He might unseal these seven thunders now--or at least give us an indication of what type of thing they might refer to.
Now I don't have the answer, but one thing I've thought of since I was a boy, is that maybe these 7 thunders referred to plagues destroying man's technology, and thus it would have been utterly confusing and/or inappropriately empowering to the people (and/or evil angels) of the Church Age to have these things described. Television, internet, radar, airplanes, spacecraft, satellites, telephones, etc.
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Post by whatif on Jul 20, 2017 23:41:05 GMT -6
Well seeing how this website is "Unsealed" and how God is unsealing the various sealed up portions of Scripture in these last days, maybe we should all pray and ask Him whether He might unseal these seven thunders now--or at least give us an indication of what type of thing they might refer to. What a great idea, watchmanjim! |
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Post by watchmanjim on Jul 20, 2017 23:53:56 GMT -6
In my praying about it, I recognize it is a really astounding thing I am asking of the Lord--to reveal this sacred secret to us--perhaps He is not ready--but I am praying about it nonetheless, especially if it will help us to bring more glory to Him.
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Post by whatif on Jul 20, 2017 23:58:30 GMT -6
Amen to that, watchmanjim! I will pray too! If it's something He would indeed be willing to reveal, that would be such an awesome thing!
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Post by uscgvet on Jul 23, 2017 17:42:42 GMT -6
Wow, Good thread here! I'm in! Praying for this to be UnSealed through the Holy Spirit.
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