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Post by kjs on Jul 17, 2017 13:27:56 GMT -6
Like many around this website, I have grown up in the USA. The United States of America is a youngster, compared to the majority of the countries in this world of ours. The problem is there is not a direct reference to the United States of America – anywhere with the Bible. {Yes, it is possible we are Tarshish – but that has not been definitely proven} At this moment in time the USA, is still a “Super Power” on the World Stage – so it is very disconcerting that the Bible make no direct reference to it. Yes, there are few who claim the USA is Mystery Babylon – while I admit that seems to be a plausible theory – You have people Like Irvin Baxter make a stronger case for Rome (or Vatican) being MB www.endtime.com/mystery-babylon-who-is-it/So it seems one still ends up with the USA being mentioned NO WHERE in the BIBLE. I personally, can think of ONLY one reason that is – for some reason, at some point in the future the USA is going to become a NON-Super Power Country. It may be because that the USA is the largest DEBTOR Country – anyone has ever seen – and one small slip on the world’s financial markets – will see the USA’s might evaporate overnight. It may be because there is some natural disaster looming that will pretty much wipe out the entire country in one single stroke (Yellow-Stone Eruption). It may be an alliance of countries, who wish to damage Israel – knowing the USA would step in – decide to pulverize the country in a sneak attack. It might be possible to think of various scenarios for a few pages….. But it seems (at least to me) it boils down to -- where is the USA in Bible Prophecy? IF – the rapture is soon approaching and IF the USA is really a NON – PLAYER in the World EventsThe question becomes --- what happens to the USA in the next couple of months? |
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Post by whatif on Jul 17, 2017 13:59:37 GMT -6
That is a very good question, kjs! If the US is not Mystery Babylon, it may be any one of the scenarios you've described or a combination of some of them. Or perhaps the US will be one of the 10 kings who give allegiance to the antichrist. I'm not sure I've read any posts regarding the 3 kings that the antichrist will "uproot" or "subdue," but Daniel 7 describes 3 of the 10 kings being subdued by the antichrist. Perhaps the US is one of the 3?
Daniel 7:7-8 says, After that, in my vision at night I looked, and there before me was a fourth beast—terrifying and frightening and very powerful. It had large iron teeth; it crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left. It was different from all the former beasts, and it had ten horns. While I was thinking about the horns, there before me was another horn, a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a human being and a mouth that spoke boastfully.
And Daniel 7:23-25 says, He gave me this explanation: ‘The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it. The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings. He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 14:17:40 GMT -6
Perhaps on Eclipse Day judgement will come.
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Post by delo63 on Jul 17, 2017 14:44:33 GMT -6
think about the story of Noah, God put up a rainbow as a covenant to promise that He would never flood the earth again. Then in 2014 the gay pride flag came out and now is waved all throughout the world. I believe firmly that the mocking of the rainbow will cause God to lower His quiver to earth one last time
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Post by whatif on Jul 17, 2017 16:37:09 GMT -6
Perhaps on Eclipse Day judgement will come. That is certainly possible, Beloved! But since it is occurring on the 1st day of Teshuvah, the period of repentance before Yom Kippur, my speculation is that the Lord may be giving the warning of coming judgment on 21 August, rather than the judgment itself. But that's just my speculation. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 17:05:19 GMT -6
Great question kjs! One way I think about it is that when Jacob and the 70 migrated to Egypt during the famine, they were too few in number to take the Land of Promise. They went to Egypt, the superpower of the day, and "incubated" until they were powerful and numerous, and able to take the Land and form the first nation of Israel.....so in a way, Egypt served as the womb for the first nation of Israel.
Fast forward to today.....Jews migrated to America, the superpower of our times, where they prospered and supported the Zionist movement with immigrants and resources, which directly led to the second nation of Israel being formed in 1948.....in a way America served as the womb for the second nation of Israel.....
There are parallels between ancient Egypt and America......if we want to know what may happen to America, we might look to see what happened to ancient Egypt.....just a thought!
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Post by whatif on Jul 17, 2017 17:07:59 GMT -6
What a cool thought, sam! That makes great sense!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 17:23:47 GMT -6
Thanks whatif, and I take some comfort in the knowledge that in the end, Egypt becomes saved, being shown mercy! Deut 23:7, a command, "you shall not hate the Egyptian, for you were a stranger in his land"
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Post by watchmanjim on Jul 18, 2017 1:40:57 GMT -6
Isaiah 19 shows that modern Egypt will turn to Christ after the Tribulation. There will be a highway built in the Millennium linking Egypt, Israel, and Assyria.
In Exodus, Egypt was greatly weakened, both by the removal of God's people, and by the destruction of their Pharoah and army in the Red Sea.
A couple interesting thoughts:
1. In Daniel 7, the lion has its wings ripped off, greatly reducing its capabilities
2. The Rapture will remove a huge number of God's people from the USA, probably weakening it in a massive way financially, as many of the Christians hold important jobs, especially in agriculture, medicine, transportation, communication, and skilled trades
3. In the Tribulation time we are told that at some point the seas will be "turned to blood" and the ships in the sea will be destroyed.
4. The highly sophisticated military of the US is probably more vulnerable than any other military to EMP's, solar flares, and nuclear radiation which can destroy sensitive electronics. Likewise, our communications and power networks.
Exodus 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
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Jul 18, 2017 5:34:04 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 5:34:04 GMT -6
Great comments guys/gals! These scriptures are where the hope for the USA comes from! Mystery Babylon is sadly Jerusalem with its non-belief on the Messiah. They are unsaved/unregenerate...as are all those who helped her to be so and perpetuate her status. As everyone has shown, there are scriptures that show that every nations/peoples, will have opportunity to have saved people except for the Amalekites(?) if I remember...
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Post by delo63 on Jul 18, 2017 9:29:43 GMT -6
just a thought could the destruction of power be what it was talking about in revelation 16:10?
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Post by delo63 on Jul 18, 2017 9:30:33 GMT -6
I find it interesting that shows like the walking dead and others where its no power and need to survive without it, could that be foreshadowing this?
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Post by watchmanjim on Jul 18, 2017 9:32:02 GMT -6
Maybe..... Seems like more than that, though.
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Post by mike on Jul 19, 2017 7:30:14 GMT -6
That is a very good question, kjs! If the US is not Mystery Babylon, it may be any one of the scenarios you've described or a combination of some of them. Or perhaps the US will be one of the 10 kings who give allegiance to the antichrist. I'm not sure I've read any posts regarding the 3 kings that the antichrist will "uproot" or "subdue," but Daniel 7 describes 3 of the 10 kings being subdued by the antichrist. Perhaps the US is one of the 3?
Daniel 7:7-8 says, After that, in my vision at night I looked, and there before me was a fourth beast—terrifying and frightening and very powerful. It had large iron teeth; it crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left. It was different from all the former beasts, and it had ten horns. While I was thinking about the horns, there before me was another horn, a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a human being and a mouth that spoke boastfully.
And Daniel 7:23-25 says, He gave me this explanation: ‘The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it. The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings. He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.
Doesnt most of this chapter of Daniel refer to Alexander the Great and his kingdom and what transpired when he died and also of Antiochus Epiphanes? I have read several commentaries on Daniel...I studied the book and read several and I am inclined that most of Daniel prophecies have already been fulfilled. If I recall correctly the only pieces yet to be fulfilled are the second half of week 70, a small part of chapter 11 & 12. From everything I read on-line and conversations I've had, most don't consider past history when studying Daniel. Not saying that is the case here of anyone, yet I've not heard many explain the historical fulfillments of Alexander, etc when considering Daniel. If you (plural) have time I suggest the Barnes Commentary on Bible Hub. It is very comprehensive, methodical, in its exposition of the book though I would not say 100% conclusive, quite convincing. My $.02 |
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Post by mike on Jul 19, 2017 7:40:55 GMT -6
Just curious...why is it that we in America think we need to be named, spoken of, vaguely or prophetically noted in scripture? I'm not saying your question isnt valid (KJS). Its more likely that I'm deficient in my learning, so if i'm off with this please I want to know more...Israel/Jerusalem are The apple of God's eye, not America. God's attention is centered there. Always has been, always will be. I dont see Australia mentioned. I'm not sure China is alluded to (perhaps it is). South America certainly not mentioned in scripture. Do they all suffer a similar fate as suggested? Perhaps they all will be wiped out as well? I realize the US is a super power and certainly plays a role in things. Without a doubt it is the US who is used to propagate the moral decay of society with our anti-God laws (LORD FORGIVE US!) and we shall receive appropriate judgement.
However, the known world was the "middle east" when the bible was penned. Not having any knowledge of the lands beyond the middle east, why would writers note anything regarding other lands they had zero knowledge of? Everything happened in their "backyard". There would be no reason for them to consider any far off lands, including Antartica, S. America, Canada or the like. Shall all of those suffer the same fate as America because they arent specifcally noted? Just food for thought.
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