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Post by kjs on Jun 26, 2017 8:26:28 GMT -6
We have a few hints about the millennial Kingdom, such as no war (beat swords into plows), no animal violence (Child can play in an Asp nest)…..
Nothing indicating about if they will have vehicles, planes, trains, internet, computers….
Also, corporations (such as today) are more interested in profits – rather than people’s wellbeing – so will corporations exist?
What about Doctors and Health Care; assuming people are still in the fallen state – will disease and death still be around….
Just some questions, to kick off an discussion……..
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Post by watchmanjim on Jun 26, 2017 9:39:56 GMT -6
Great questions, and great thread! I suppose you probably read my other thread in this category, and the story I posted there speculating on some of these very questions.
We know the kingdom will be a time of rest and peace. It will be a big change of pace for those mortals coming out of the Tribulation to adjust to the Kingdom age context. Think about PTSD! But everything will be made better, by Jesus Himself ruling over us, and we, His body, shall also assist, evidently on a local level in ruling and reigning. The indications are that there will still be death, but it will be predictable and normal--old men and women shall abound, living in peace. Children shall play safely in the streets, and with animals. People will grow much of their own food at home. There will be worship in Jerusalem to attend to. We do know there will be a highway from Egypt through Israel up to Assyria, for quick and easy travel. Whether motor vehicles are used is not easily determined.
Also, during this time, God the Father stays in Heaven evidently. Also there is little to no mention of angels during this time period, which I suppose means they will be mainly in Heaven with the Father. We the glorified saints will have duties of ministering unto the Lord as well as ruling over the mortals with Him. It appears that the interaction between Christ the King, we the glorified saints, and the mortal humans will be a very dynamic and vibrant relationship. Knowledge of God and the scripture will be universal.
Some things I don't think we'll see a whole lot of:
Statues. Who would they be of? Not much point in memorializing humans who lost their souls-- all others need no statue to be remembered by, for they are among us!
Debates. What is there to debate? All facts will be established.
Lie Detectors. I'm pretty sure that both Christ, and we the glorified, will know if mortals are lying to us.
Elections. Pretty sure Jesus and we the glorified will be in charge and will appoint any (possible) needed leadership among the mortals (if any).
Divorce. It won't be necessary. If there is marital strife in a family in one of our districts, we shall be counselling and commanding them how to work it out.
Orphanages. Death of one's parents will be extremely rare while one is too young to take care of oneself.
Homeless people. I believe everyone will have a place to live.
Natural Disasters. Doesn't seem like we will have them anymore.
Psychologists / pshychiatrists. Pretty sure our expertise will include being able to counsel the mortals any way they need it.
Hospital complexes, and the "doctor-land" around them. Physical maladies will be either eliminated or much reduced. Healing from injuries, etc. will be thorough and careful and in good hands.
Lawyers. I think all mortals will give account of themselves to us, the government, and we will judge fairly and distinctly without them having to have another mortal advocate for them.
Fake News. Not allowed. No deception will be tolerated.
Insurance. I don't think it will be necessary.
Lottery / Gambling. I don't believe this will be allowed, nor will there be a demand for it.
Drug addiction. I think all proper use of all substances will be known or determined, and people will not be allowed to abuse substances.
Denominations. I think we will all know God's will and doctrines well enough that denominational differences will disappear. There may be room for differing styles of worship to a degree, when one is not in Jerusalem, but whatever the case, it will be very unified and well understood and agreed upon.
Extinction. I don't believe any type of animal will be in danger of becoming extinct, and QUITE POSSIBLY some that are extinct will be restored.
Tax Code. If taxes are collected, I think it will be a very very simple system that is easily understood and complied with. And certainly not burdensome on the giver. I do think things like oil, etc. will be given to the temple, etc.
War. It's pretty clear that warfare is not allowed.
Waste. I'm pretty sure that anything extra that is produced will be processed, stored, and used wisely.
Litter. I don't believe we will allow people to litter God's beautiful creation.
Cheap Junk. I believe things that are built or manufactured will be made to endure and work properly for a reasonable amount of time. No Harbor Freight junk.
Polution. I'm pretty sure we'll get that under control.
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Post by kjs on Jun 26, 2017 11:30:05 GMT -6
The INTERNET is one thing we have now that has some good things and some bad things.
Good things – Like Sharing Ideas, Obtaining History Facts, Community Sharing, Public News ….
Bad Things – Like Porn, Viruses, Hacks, Misinformation…..
Assuming an internet – means something to access it – meaning computers /smart phones….
Plus we have certain conveniences now, that I could see they could use – such as Indoor Plumbing, Stoves, refrigerators, Heating / Cooling…..
Transportation conveniences such as Plane, train, and personal vehicles….
Recreational vehicles such as boats, snowmobiles, RVs….
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Post by kjs on Jun 26, 2017 11:35:12 GMT -6
One of the premises of your story (if I remember it correctly) was doing archology in a “Forbidden Area” – which required special permission.
Identifying items from the past, occasionally incorrectly.
Receiving Grades, Titles, and degrees
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Post by whatif on Jun 26, 2017 11:49:52 GMT -6
Oh, this gives me so much joy to think about! I can't wait to be there!
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Post by watchmanjim on Jun 26, 2017 22:07:31 GMT -6
It is a concept the Bible is a little sketchy on, but it is clear that Jesus will have a great plan for everything.
The thing about technology is, where do you draw the line? Do we take everybody back to the 1800's? Ah, but they had steam engines, telegraphs, etc. Too much tech? Ok, do we take them back to the 1600's? The 1300's? Bible times?
I honestly think Jesus is going to give us some kind of guidelines. Many glorified (and perhaps mortal) people will know a lot about technology. Unless our King forbids it or regulates it, it would only be natural to use it. I suspect He will allow us to use some of it, but give us some clear guidelines as to what is appropriate. I suspect things will be geared toward close-knit small village communities, where most of the major needs are supplied locally (food, clothing, building construction, building materials, etc.). I suspect manufactured goods will be used only to the extent that they are particularly difficult to make locally or without economy of scale, and will not disrupt the concept of strong local communities. There may be be a bit of the Amish flavor to life, but in a better way, and the restrictions will be kindly administered and never made to keep people from doing what is good and right.
One thing seems sure, that the difficult daily tasks and life stages we are accustomed to will be far easier for our mortal friends during the Reign. Many of the dangers, inefficiencies, risks, and uncertainties we face today will be mitigated.
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Post by kjs on Jun 27, 2017 9:02:52 GMT -6
Isaiah 65:25 The wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox, and dust will be the serpent's food.
Seems to suggest that eating “meat” will no longer be a valid food. I assume that would apply to humans as well.
Currently, Humans have become so specialized that they are dependent upon others.
For example, I as a computer programmer – I can make a computer calculated and display many different things and while I can identify computer chips, electronic circuitry and possibly even know their functions – I have no clue how they are created and put together.
That applies across the board for a wide range of items. Automobiles, refrigerators, stoves, a/c Units and an ever growing list here … we might know the general requirements for them functioning correctly; but we could not create or recreate them.
Let’s take something supposedly simply like a flushable toilet.
It takes in water and removes waste – fair enough – but where does the water come from, where is the water purified or sanitized? Where is the waste delivered to? What processing takes place once delivered?
Point being made – is even supposedly “simply technologies” will require additional technologies to be in place to even have them…..
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Post by watchmanjim on Jun 27, 2017 11:11:05 GMT -6
Yes, I understand what you are saying--one question is how much of this pre-made stuff will still be available for use or salvage, anywhere in the world?
I suspect there will be a time of primitive conditions as everyone basically "camps out" until they are able to get the food chain, shelter, and so on sorted out. Then things will probably develop apace with better technologies coming along quickly after basic needs are met.
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Post by kjs on Jul 24, 2017 14:47:02 GMT -6
Ok, trying to revive this thread -- to get some more people involved with the speculation.
For those who are still in "human bodies" during the the 1k reign -- I think having "flush-able toilets" would still be a "nice to have" if not a requirement.
But in order to have that "indoor-plumbing" -- you also have to have a few things -- like sanitized incoming water, water heating component, gray water disposal, and sewage disposal.
Each of the four areas would also require some type of infrastructure, -- some type of plant maintenance (ie. water treatment plant, sewage plant ).
NOW assuming (this is a big assumption) those with Glorified Bodies -- will not need to worry about waste elimination -- though if allowed to eat -- some other mechanism that would allow the elimination of food eaten would be needed.
What about travel? Assuming those with Glorified Bodies can travel at thought -- how would the rest be able to travel world wide?
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Post by yardstick on Jul 24, 2017 23:26:05 GMT -6
It only took a couple of hundred years to go from the industrial revolution to where we are now. And that was when everyone had to learn everything from scratch: calculus, metallurgy, chemistry, physics, medical, aerospace, biology, genetics, et al. In the millennium, we will already have the knowledge. With the exception of using knowledge in a destructive manner, I do not see any reason why we wouldn't be back to current technological levels within 100 years. Most likely less!
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Post by watchmanjim on Jul 24, 2017 23:34:09 GMT -6
Good questions, KJS! I'm sure I don't have the answers, but I can speculate and imaginate with you.  I suspect that Jesus will allow and encourage us to use common sense technology and "helpful ideas." I suspect that all of us, both mortal and glorified, will be able to use the skills we have learned throughout life to work on designing, building, rebuilding,maintaining, and using buildings, infrastructure, and technology to the degree that He desires us to do so. He will probably not want us to depend so heavily on technology that we let it run our lives or take our minds off Him. Of course that will be basically impossible for the glorified ones of us, but there is an interesting emphasis on the mortal people we find in the Old Testament scriptures prophesying the Millennium. I think we see an emphasis on worship, self-sustainability of resources, local communities and local sourcing of goods, materials, and services, and plenty of time to REST and enjoy the 1,000 year Sabbath. Without wars and threats of wars, a lot of time will be saved. So many other things we depend on in this age will be a thing of the past. Here's my original list of things I don't think we will have, or have much of, and I'll add a few more: Statues. Who would they be of? Not much point in memorializing humans who lost their souls-- all others need no statue to be remembered by, for they are among us! Debates. What is there to debate? All facts will be established. Lie Detectors. I'm pretty sure that both Christ, and we the glorified, will know if mortals are lying to us. Elections. Pretty sure Jesus and we the glorified will be in charge and will appoint any (possible) needed leadership among the mortals (if any). Divorce. It won't be necessary. If there is marital strife in a family in one of our districts, we shall be counselling and commanding them how to work it out. Orphanages. Death of one's parents will be extremely rare while one is too young to take care of oneself. Homeless people. I believe everyone will have a place to live. Natural Disasters. Doesn't seem like we will have them anymore. Psychologists / psychiatrists. Pretty sure our expertise will include being able to counsel the mortals any way they need it. Hospital complexes, and the "doctor-land" around them. Physical maladies will be either eliminated or much reduced. Healing from injuries, etc. will be thorough and careful and in good hands. Lawyers. I think all mortals will give account of themselves to us, the government, and we will judge fairly and distinctly without them having to have another mortal advocate for them. Fake News. Not allowed. No deception will be tolerated. Insurance. I don't think it will be necessary. Lottery / Gambling. I don't believe this will be allowed, nor will there be a demand for it. Drug addiction. I think all proper use of all substances will be known or determined, and people will not be allowed to abuse substances. Denominations. I think we will all know God's will and doctrines well enough that denominational differences will disappear. There may be room for differing styles of worship to a degree, when one is not in Jerusalem, but whatever the case, it will be very unified and well understood and agreed upon. Extinction. I don't believe any type of animal will be in danger of becoming extinct, and QUITE POSSIBLY some that are extinct will be restored. Tax Code. If taxes are collected, I think it will be a very very simple system that is easily understood and complied with. And certainly not burdensome on the giver. I do think things like oil, etc. will be given to the temple, etc. War. It's pretty clear that warfare is not allowed. Waste. I'm pretty sure that anything extra that is produced will be processed, stored, and used wisely. Litter. I don't believe we will allow people to litter God's beautiful creation. Cheap Junk. I believe things that are built or manufactured will be made to endure and work properly for a reasonable amount of time. No Harbor Freight junk. Pollution. I'm pretty sure we'll get that under control. New ones: Unsolved crimes. We will be able to get to the bottom of anything the mortals do wrong. Mosquito bites, etc. No more peskiness of pests. Dangerous chemicals. I don't think we'll have to rely on them much if at all. Unwed mothers. Pretty sure this will be rare or nonexistent. Martial Arts: Since War will not be taught anymore, I suspect our Lord might frown on learning fighting styles. However this is a hunch. Guns: I love guns, but I don't think we'll have a need for them anymore. Superheroes: Jesus is our Supreme SuperHero. Competitive Business: While the concept of competition may still exist, I believe all business decisions will be encouraged to be made with the ultimate good of all parties in mind. Futures Market: Somehow, I just can't imagine this being a thing. |
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Post by watchmanjim on Jul 24, 2017 23:36:38 GMT -6
It only took a couple of hundred years to go from the industrial revolution to where we are now. And that was when everyone had to learn everything from scratch: calculus, metallurgy, chemistry, physics, medical, aerospace, biology, genetics, et al. In the millennium, we will already have the knowledge. With the exception of using knowledge in a destructive manner, I do not see any reason why we wouldn't be back to current technological levels within 100 years. Most likely less! I believe all saints from all ages of the earth will have things to contribute in terms of skills, ambitions, and knowledge. Anything new we need to know, Jesus will be able to help us understand as we go along. Personally, I have a good friend here in South Carolina who is an inventor with several patents. I can't wait to see what he comes up with once Jesus gives him a perfectly functioning brain and body! |
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Post by kjs on Jul 25, 2017 8:13:00 GMT -6
During the millennial – I am assuming that the humans will be operating under the curse. Man supports himself and family through the sweat of his brow, woman will still produce children through great pain. That they will still have a ”flesh nature” which desires to sin.
If true, then could still see the need for a security or police force. Still see a need for social services to help protect children. Still see a need for Senior living arrangements for those living longer lifes.
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Post by watchmanjim on Jul 26, 2017 0:25:28 GMT -6
During the millennial – I am assuming that the humans will be operating under the curse. Man supports himself and family through the sweat of his brow, woman will still produce children through great pain. That they will still have a ”flesh nature” which desires to sin. If true, then could still see the need for a security or police force. Still see a need for social services to help protect children. Still see a need for Senior living arrangements for those living longer lifes. I don't doubt there will be some of that. But I think we the "kings" and "judges" will be the police force, judge, jury, etc. The mortals will still sin. But outward sin will not be tolerated, especially as it affects others. Don't forget, satan will be bound during this time. A lot of the evil influence that is out there will be gone. And Christ will reign, and we will reign under Him. |
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Post by yardstick on Jul 26, 2017 14:46:42 GMT -6
During the millennial – I am assuming that the humans will be operating under the curse. Man supports himself and family through the sweat of his brow, woman will still produce children through great pain. That they will still have a ”flesh nature” which desires to sin. If true, then could still see the need for a security or police force. Still see a need for social services to help protect children. Still see a need for Senior living arrangements for those living longer lifes. I don't doubt there will be some of that. But I think we the "kings" and "judges" will be the police force, judge, jury, etc. The mortals will still sin. But outward sin will not be tolerated, especially as it affects others. Don't forget, satan will be bound during this time. A lot of the evil influence that is out there will be gone. And Christ will reign, and we will reign under Him. Reigning by Serving... |
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