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Post by watchmanjim on Jun 24, 2017 22:14:57 GMT -6
He was speaking out loud and mulling over the idea that when the red thread hand came out it had something to do with the time of the stoning of Stephen and when Salvation wasn't excepted, the hand went back in.....and then a difficult birth ensued....travail before the birth-tribulation. He tended to think that the other twin might represent the Gentile nations In some way. It may not, but I have not had the time to study it nor has he, any further. I looked at the passage some tonight, but haven't been able to come to any new insights. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2017 8:10:52 GMT -6
Oh goodness ! Matthew 12:50.... thanks for checking kjs!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2017 11:28:33 GMT -6
Well I for one think this proves how important the sign of the woman is. What other woman gives birth in future prophecy besides the Revelation 12 woman? If I'm right then the church age ends THIS SEPTEMBER!!
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Post by kjs on Jun 25, 2017 12:12:52 GMT -6
Oh goodness ! Matthew 12:50.... thanks for checking kjs! I guess it is possible that the delivery of children and the return of brothers is simply a metaphor; but my assumption is that these are further descendent of Isarel. I have never been a fan of the OT; but here lately I have been discovering I have been missing out because of my bias. there are too many things that appear to be "clicking into place" and Micah 5 appears one of them ..... That chart makes so much sense now, that I read it (and had it explained) .... Still have not come to the point of being 100% convince the rapture will occur this Fall .... But it sure feels like some BIG change is on it's way! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2017 14:32:29 GMT -6
KJ S, as you get in the Old Testament, read Habakkuk, it is a short book and you will see in Habakkuk 2:2 where Grace is.
you see almost the whole picture Of the state we have been in from the time of habakkuk as being very similar to today's times, through the time of grace.....and the tribulation that is coming. Three chapters and you see the love of God for all believers, and for the people of Israel.
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Post by Gary on Jun 25, 2017 20:06:18 GMT -6
I've been teaching about the REV12SIGN since 2012, but it wasn't until this past Fall that my study went into overdrive. I saw a few of Jaco's videos where he listed the various Scriptures in the OT that connected the woman in labor with the Day of the LORD. Then Jeff showed me the Hebrew in Isaiah 66 and I was like "BINGO". Once you realize that Revelation 12 is a future prophecy just like the rest of Revelation 4-22 then a dozen or more Scriptures instantly fall into place like never before.
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Post by watchmanjim on Jun 25, 2017 20:28:20 GMT -6
That's right, Gary, and that's what keeps us going. God didn't just tell us these things once--he triangulated the whole thing throughout the Scripture in a marvelous and beautiful fashion.
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Post by kjs on Jun 29, 2017 8:41:46 GMT -6
Revelation 12 2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. (KJV)
Micah 5 3 Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth (KJV)
Look how close these statements are -- properly, travail (in childbirth), birth pangs; the need to deliver
Everything continues to point to the delivery (or the birth) as being the KEY
Problem is even with this upcoming sign -- it is hard to see the actual "BIRTH"
Is it Sept. 9th when Jupiter first starts to exit?
Is it the 23rd -- when the clothing of the Sun takes place ?
Is it in Oct -- when Jupiter leaves Virgo completely.........
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Post by watchmanjim on Jun 29, 2017 9:45:32 GMT -6
And that's why we do not know the day or the hour!  But we know He's coming. Soon, this year. |
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Post by whatif on Jun 29, 2017 15:24:18 GMT -6
May it be so, Lord Jesus!
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Post by Gary on Jun 29, 2017 19:00:52 GMT -6
One thing that seems to be undeniable to me: whether beginning of September, end of September, or October, that baby is coming out within the next 3.5 months. (:
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Post by kjs on Jun 30, 2017 7:43:02 GMT -6
Another look at verse 5
Revelation 12:5 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
tiktó: to beget, bring forth
to bring forth, bear, produce (fruit from the seed); properly, of women giving birth: absolutely
A strengthened form of a primary teko tek'-o (which is used only as alternate in certain tenses); to produce (from seed, as a mother, a plant, the earth, etc.), literally or figuratively -- bear, be born, bring forth, be delivered, be in travail.
καί, a conjunction, “and”
καί ... καί, a repetition which indicates that of two things one takes place no less than the other: both ... and, as well ... as, not only ... but also (Winer's Grammar, § 53, 4): it serves to correlate
harpazó: to seize, catch up, snatch away
Based upon what I am seeing here ….
It appears as soon as the BIRTH takes place --- catching away takes place as well
Kind of a Boom, Boom – or make that a Boom ......... BOOM………
Now – That would be a REAL “ Mic Drop”
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Post by whatif on Jun 30, 2017 10:40:33 GMT -6
That is awesome, kjs!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 10:46:14 GMT -6
I have a feeling it's going to be in October or the 23rd. During the Feast of Trumpets people are literally saying 'Peace and Safety!', on World Peace Day. However, October is least expected, because people will give up on the sign if nothing happens, and then BAM! Christ returns. So I'm not sure.
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Post by kjs on Jun 30, 2017 12:36:10 GMT -6
While Scottie has made a very good CASE for certain things happening on Feast Days
Like
Death == Passover
Burial == Unleavened Bread
Resurrection == First Fruits
Church Conception == Pentecost
I am still kind of leery saying Feast of Trumpets will be fulfilled by the Rapture…..
The last three holy convocations or “festivals” that the Lord commanded the Jewish people to observe are the Feast of Trumpets, the Day of Atonement and the Feast of Tabernacles. Each occurred in the seventh month of the Jewish calendar, the month called Tishrei. The Feast of Trumpets heralded the arrival of that seventh month. It also began what is known as the Ten Days of Awe between the Feast of Trumpets and the Day of Atonement, wherein the penitent humble themselves in preparation for the great Day of Atonement.
But besides announcing the arrival of the seventh month and introducing the final cycle of festivals, the Feast of Trumpets had a meaning in its own right. What was that meaning?
Leviticus 23:23
“Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, ‘Speak to the children of Israel, saying: “In the seventh month, on the first day of the month, you shall have a sabbath-rest, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation. You shall do no customary work on it; and you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord.'”
In Exodus chapters 19 and 20 we read the account of God’s appearance on Mount Sinai and the initial giving of the Ten Commandments. Exodus 19:5 depicts God inviting the children of Israel into a covenant: the Mosaic Covenant. In a spectacular revelation, God manifested His presence in the smoke and fire on Mount Sinai—as He came to covenant with His people amidst the sound of a trumpet that caused the people to tremble. They promised to do everything that the Lord commanded.
This cataclysmic event was to be stamped indelibly upon the memory of the people of Israel. Every year, at the Feast of Trumpets, those same-sounding trumpet blasts reminded Israel that they were a people under covenant; a nation who had accepted the responsibilities of being God’s people. By doing so, the nation also prepared herself for the Day of Atonement, eight days later, when they would repent and find atonement for all they had done to break this covenant.
So it appears the “memorial of blowing of trumpets” represents the Mosaic Covenant.
Is it possible, that this feast will be fulfilled by the enactment of the Believer’s (Grace) Covenant with the Rapture?
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But we know He's coming. Soon, this year.
