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Post by socalexile on Mar 9, 2022 12:34:25 GMT -6
Ok so why wouldn't the Bear be the USSR during WWII, when they conquered the Baltics then after counterattacking Germany? Then you don't have to read into what the Bible doesn't say about attacking the Lion. If you ignore the facts on the ground you can make anything fit. Russia can't even handle Ukraine, much less NATO. You have to make a lot of assumptions about Russian's military and economic capabilities that just aren't any evidence of and ignore that Russia has it's best units getting ground down atm. "why wouldn't the Bear be the USSR during WWII" Again because of Daniel 7:12. The Soviet Union collapsed and is no more. Atheist Communist USSR is no more. Orthodox Tzar (Caesar) Putin rules now. Whatever the bear is, and I believe it's Russia, it's alive along with the 4th animal. I don't believe the US is alive with the 4th animal. Those wings are plucked. I do believe the EU is alive as the Lion with the 4th animal. I don't have an opinion on the Leopard yet. Time will tell on that one I believe. Russia can nuke the US. If they have nuke tipped hypersonic weapons, our defenses have little chance to counter that. I know. I was trained as an electronics tech for maintenance of those defenses. Now you have a bigger problem with the dominion of the Lion taken away with the collapse of the British Empire, or their breaking away from the EU. You can't apply different interpretations to the same words used for both animals. One can argue that Russia is just a rebranded USSR. There's some quotes from Gorbachev back in the day that support that. You're arguing conjecture about Russia's capabilities that neither of us have the security clearance to know. We thought at the start of this that Russia would use all those cutting edge toys it's been developing, but as it turns out those aren't ready for prime-time and Russia has some serious fundamental problems in it's military that spectacular weapons aren't going to make up for. If their nuke forces have the same attention to maintenance that their ground forces do, they aren't going to nuke anyone. Plus, as people forget, they have to worry about our nukes also. |
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Post by socalexile on Mar 9, 2022 12:38:59 GMT -6
Russian soldiers flying the Soviet flag:
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Post by uscgvet on Mar 9, 2022 13:28:36 GMT -6
"why wouldn't the Bear be the USSR during WWII" Again because of Daniel 7:12. The Soviet Union collapsed and is no more. Atheist Communist USSR is no more. Orthodox Tzar (Caesar) Putin rules now. Whatever the bear is, and I believe it's Russia, it's alive along with the 4th animal. I don't believe the US is alive with the 4th animal. Those wings are plucked. I do believe the EU is alive as the Lion with the 4th animal. I don't have an opinion on the Leopard yet. Time will tell on that one I believe. Russia can nuke the US. If they have nuke tipped hypersonic weapons, our defenses have little chance to counter that. I know. I was trained as an electronics tech for maintenance of those defenses. Now you have a bigger problem with the dominion of the Lion taken away with the collapse of the British Empire, or their breaking away from the EU. You can't apply different interpretations to the same words used for both animals. One can argue that Russia is just a rebranded USSR. There's some quotes from Gorbachev back in the day that support that. You're arguing conjecture about Russia's capabilities that neither of us have the security clearance to know. We thought at the start of this that Russia would use all those cutting edge toys it's been developing, but as it turns out those aren't ready for prime-time and Russia has some serious fundamental problems in it's military that spectacular weapons aren't going to make up for. If their nuke forces have the same attention to maintenance that their ground forces do, they aren't going to nuke anyone. Plus, as people forget, they have to worry about our nukes also. The British empire is just a child of Rome, as is America. The EU is just a child of Rome. Democracy. Born in Rome. In the Daniel 2 dream, Rome is split across two iron legs. This still hold's true today. The imagery used for the Lion with Eagles Wings goes all the way back to Babylon: OIP.jfif (85.62 KB) [ mike, if you could please fix the picture to display properly, I always have trouble with this site] It is stated in Daniel 2 that that statue of Nebuchadnezzar would be in control of the entire world until the stone that was cut without man's hands destroys it (Jesus Christ). I don't think it's a stretch to say that America is the world super power of today, but it's getting grey hairs. America says "Jump" and the world says "how high?". The USD is the world reserve currency. Even Jeremiah 27:5-11 confirms Daniel 2 is right. Babylon's Nebuchadnezzar and his son's sons are in control of the world "until the time of his land come in". Rome is Babylon. Greece is Babylon. The world was enslaved to Babylon by God himself per Jeremiah 27:5-11. I don't see the bear in Daniel 7 as being a democracy. I don't see the bear as being what Rome is. Historically, Greece's symbol was the Lion and Rome's symbol was the eagle. One a child of the other. Rome inherited so much from Greece. The Uk's symbol has been the lion (Greece) America's symbol has been the eagle (Rome) America, a child of Rome (Democracy). America, the eagle, is Rome, is Babylon. England, the lion, and the various other nations, a mixture of the eagle and lion, that make up the EU, is Babylon. The only thing in Daniel 7 that makes note of the lion that is concerning is the eagles wings that get plucked. That tells me Rome is cut off. The eagle. America. We can leave it at that. |
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Post by mike on Mar 9, 2022 13:30:06 GMT -6
Russian soldiers flying the Soviet flag: - why is this video reliable? (not challenging you on this just dont understand why this is accurate and some of the other reports we hear are not. I am in no way whatsoever saying MSM should or would be trusted at all) |
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Post by uscgvet on Mar 9, 2022 14:04:35 GMT -6
Russian soldiers flying the Soviet flag: I'll say this. At minute mark 8min 11sec he stated that when he was in Iraq, the US military never targeted civilian areas. Russia isn't the US. |
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Post by socalexile on Mar 9, 2022 14:05:09 GMT -6
Russian soldiers flying the Soviet flag: - why is this video reliable? (not challenging you on this just dont understand why this is accurate and some of the other reports we hear are not. I am in no way whatsoever saying MSM should or would be trusted at all) He's a former intel guy and posts regularly. There's a few guys out there doing these like Funker530 and S2 Underground but they aren't posting as often or as focused on the ground situation. I'm retired military and he seems credible to me. He's also sourcing info coming in that I see all day long on Social Media and Telegram, which tell a lot more than the talking heads do. He and the other two guys are laying down the situation like they would brief a commander. There is a lot of grift surrounding this event. There's people I used to listen to that have said some completely false things or even tried to justify Russia's actions. A lot of people are playing the "the MSM lies, so you should believe the opposite which I will tell you" game, which is wrong. Others try moral equivalency between Russia now and the US 20 years ago which has nothing to do with today. I've unsubbed from a lot of channels. |
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Post by socalexile on Mar 9, 2022 14:05:53 GMT -6
Russian soldiers flying the Soviet flag: I'll say this. At minute mark 8min 11sec he stated that when he was in Iraq, the US military never targeted civilian areas. Russia isn't the US. That's what he's saying. Russia is far more brutal and deliberately targets civilian areas to include hospitals. |
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Post by socalexile on Mar 9, 2022 14:07:25 GMT -6
Now you have a bigger problem with the dominion of the Lion taken away with the collapse of the British Empire, or their breaking away from the EU. You can't apply different interpretations to the same words used for both animals. One can argue that Russia is just a rebranded USSR. There's some quotes from Gorbachev back in the day that support that. You're arguing conjecture about Russia's capabilities that neither of us have the security clearance to know. We thought at the start of this that Russia would use all those cutting edge toys it's been developing, but as it turns out those aren't ready for prime-time and Russia has some serious fundamental problems in it's military that spectacular weapons aren't going to make up for. If their nuke forces have the same attention to maintenance that their ground forces do, they aren't going to nuke anyone. Plus, as people forget, they have to worry about our nukes also. The British empire is just a child of Rome, as is America. The EU is just a child of Rome. Democracy. Born in Rome. In the Daniel 2 dream, Rome is split across two iron legs. This still hold's true today. The imagery used for the Lion with Eagles Wings goes all the way back to Babylon: <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> [ mike , if you could please fix the picture to display properly, I always have trouble with this site] It is stated in Daniel 2 that that statue of Nebuchadnezzar would be in control of the entire world until the stone that was cut without man's hands destroys it (Jesus Christ). I don't think it's a stretch to say that America is the world super power of today, but it's getting grey hairs. America says "Jump" and the world says "how high?". The USD is the world reserve currency. Even Jeremiah 27:5-11 confirms Daniel 2 is right. Babylon's Nebuchadnezzar and his son's sons are in control of the world "until the time of his land come in". Rome is Babylon. Greece is Babylon. The world was enslaved to Babylon by God himself per Jeremiah 27:5-11. I don't see the bear in Daniel 7 as being a democracy. I don't see the bear as being what Rome is. Historically, Greece's symbol was the Lion and Rome's symbol was the eagle. One a child of the other. Rome inherited so much from Greece. The Uk's symbol has been the lion (Greece) America's symbol has been the eagle (Rome) America, a child of Rome (Democracy). America, the eagle, is Rome, is Babylon. England, the lion, and the various other nations, a mixture of the eagle and lion, that make up the EU, is Babylon. The only thing in Daniel 7 that makes note of the lion that is concerning is the eagles wings that get plucked. That tells me Rome is cut off. The eagle. America. We can leave it at that. That didn't address the issue of what the text says vs. current and historical events. |
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Post by uscgvet on Mar 9, 2022 14:21:39 GMT -6
The British empire is just a child of Rome, as is America. The EU is just a child of Rome. Democracy. Born in Rome. In the Daniel 2 dream, Rome is split across two iron legs. This still hold's true today. The imagery used for the Lion with Eagles Wings goes all the way back to Babylon: <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> [ mike , if you could please fix the picture to display properly, I always have trouble with this site] It is stated in Daniel 2 that that statue of Nebuchadnezzar would be in control of the entire world until the stone that was cut without man's hands destroys it (Jesus Christ). I don't think it's a stretch to say that America is the world super power of today, but it's getting grey hairs. America says "Jump" and the world says "how high?". The USD is the world reserve currency. Even Jeremiah 27:5-11 confirms Daniel 2 is right. Babylon's Nebuchadnezzar and his son's sons are in control of the world "until the time of his land come in". Rome is Babylon. Greece is Babylon. The world was enslaved to Babylon by God himself per Jeremiah 27:5-11. I don't see the bear in Daniel 7 as being a democracy. I don't see the bear as being what Rome is. Historically, Greece's symbol was the Lion and Rome's symbol was the eagle. One a child of the other. Rome inherited so much from Greece. The Uk's symbol has been the lion (Greece) America's symbol has been the eagle (Rome) America, a child of Rome (Democracy). America, the eagle, is Rome, is Babylon. England, the lion, and the various other nations, a mixture of the eagle and lion, that make up the EU, is Babylon. The only thing in Daniel 7 that makes note of the lion that is concerning is the eagles wings that get plucked. That tells me Rome is cut off. The eagle. America. We can leave it at that. That didn't address the issue of what the text says vs. current and historical events. At minute mark: 46min 1sec Russia makes the claim that the US is the primary threat to Russia. www.c-span.org/video/?518097-2/russian-president-putin-recognizes-independence-donetsk-luhansk-ukraines-donbas-regionI see this as the bear threatening the eagle. You don't. That's fine. The MSM has a strong hold with their deception on the world it seems. I, however, am not going to take Russia's threats as weak. I'm not falling for the MSM's deception on Russia. I know Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if he knew it was going to be a complete loss because his army is weak. No. His army is strong. His threats are strong. He's holding back. He's waiting on NATO. |
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Post by socalexile on Mar 9, 2022 14:38:26 GMT -6
uscgvetThe text doesn't say anything about "the bear threatening the eagle." You're literally rewriting the Bible to fit what you believe will happen when it hasn't. This isn't about "MSM" which I don't even watch since I don't have cable. I watch the source videos, look at the maps, pay attention to people who have actually done the job of intel and aren't getting paid to say a specific message, just tell facts from the ground. I also follow about a dozen channels on Telegram that are sources in Ukraine. I see dead and captured Russians all day, as well as some dead kids. How dare you suggest otherwise when you don't know anything about me. You can't even address the problems your interpretation has with the Bible in a coherent way, but you try to discredit me.
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Post by mike on Mar 9, 2022 15:35:13 GMT -6
Guys deep breaths please - this medium is difficult to get points across at times without sounding accusatory. Sometimes what I write sounds so good in my head, but you arent in my head and we end up (unfortunately) with disconnects. Can we reset the discussion please? you two guys have been on this site for a long time and though we may have differences in view on certain things, the design should be to discuss our differences, be able to learn from each other in the right spirit and grow together in unity.
What we currently see and what we think should happen is largely formed by our preconceived thoughts, ideas, notions of how we think things should happen. One thing I am learning even more now is things dont go the way we think they should but Jesus is in control of it all and it will play out exactly as He penned it in the Word, despite what I think
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Post by uscgvet on Mar 9, 2022 16:03:08 GMT -6
uscgvet The text doesn't say anything about "the bear threatening the eagle." You're literally rewriting the Bible to fit what you believe will happen when it hasn't. This isn't about "MSM" which I don't even watch since I don't have cable. I watch the source videos, look at the maps, pay attention to people who have actually done the job of intel and aren't getting paid to say a specific message, just tell facts from the ground. I also follow about a dozen channels on Telegram that are sources in Ukraine. I see dead and captured Russians all day, as well as some dead kids. How dare you suggest otherwise when you don't know anything about me. You can't even address the problems your interpretation has with the Bible in a coherent way, but you try to discredit me. Yea, I apologize. This medium is difficult to express what I'm trying to say without sounding insulting. And after reading my post, it was insulting. Please accept my apology. I'm not trying to insult. We are speculating on Prophecy written vs what we see going on. I was trying to explain my position and seemingly failed to do so properly with Love. ------------ My understanding of Daniel 7 is that: 1) the bear threatens the 3 ribs 2) the Lion has its eagle wings plucked From the Bible's perspective, we don't know who attacks the eagle wings. Just that they are cut off. We do see in Daniel 7 that the 4th kingdom does up root 3 kings. ----------- As to the MSM comment. I observe everywhere that it's important that we all should see Russia as this "Hitler like" but weak, inept, laughable thing that needs to be Cancel Cultured. I am told to not take Russia seriously when they make threats. I am told that if I don't back Ukraine, I should also be Cancel Cultured. Taking Russia for granted IMHO is a very serious mistake. That's all I was trying to say. ----------- Being that this is a Prophecy Forum, should we not speculate on what we read in the Bible vs what we see going on today? |
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Post by uscgvet on Mar 9, 2022 16:15:25 GMT -6
socalexile - why is this video reliable? (not challenging you on this just dont understand why this is accurate and some of the other reports we hear are not. I am in no way whatsoever saying MSM should or would be trusted at all) He's a former intel guy and posts regularly. There's a few guys out there doing these like Funker530 and S2 Underground but they aren't posting as often or as focused on the ground situation. I'm retired military and he seems credible to me. He's also sourcing info coming in that I see all day long on Social Media and Telegram, which tell a lot more than the talking heads do. He and the other two guys are laying down the situation like they would brief a commander. There is a lot of grift surrounding this event. There's people I used to listen to that have said some completely false things or even tried to justify Russia's actions. A lot of people are playing the "the MSM lies, so you should believe the opposite which I will tell you" game, which is wrong. Others try moral equivalency between Russia now and the US 20 years ago which has nothing to do with today. I've unsubbed from a lot of channels. Are you familiar with the agreements Nato made to not expand east after the USSR fell? And that in 2014, the coup to overthrow the pro-Russian government of Ukraine that killed 114 Ukrainians/Russians was very likely backed by the US? Then after that coup, the US and EU sent in companies to basically plunder the Ukraine of its resources with no guarantees of protection like other nations have with Nato? We plundered the Ukraine and then threw her aside to be left for dead. SO ... Russia isn't justified? Russia says they are justified. They invaded. |
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Post by socalexile on Mar 9, 2022 17:18:06 GMT -6
uscgvet The text doesn't say anything about "the bear threatening the eagle." You're literally rewriting the Bible to fit what you believe will happen when it hasn't. This isn't about "MSM" which I don't even watch since I don't have cable. I watch the source videos, look at the maps, pay attention to people who have actually done the job of intel and aren't getting paid to say a specific message, just tell facts from the ground. I also follow about a dozen channels on Telegram that are sources in Ukraine. I see dead and captured Russians all day, as well as some dead kids. How dare you suggest otherwise when you don't know anything about me. You can't even address the problems your interpretation has with the Bible in a coherent way, but you try to discredit me. Yea, I apologize. This medium is difficult to express what I'm trying to say without sounding insulting. And after reading my post, it was insulting. Please accept my apology. I'm not trying to insult. We are speculating on Prophecy written vs what we see going on. I was trying to explain my position and seemingly failed to do so properly with Love. ------------ My understanding of Daniel 7 is that: 1) the bear threatens the 3 ribs 2) the Lion has its eagle wings plucked From the Bible's perspective, we don't know who attacks the eagle wings. Just that they are cut off. We do see in Daniel 7 that the 4th kingdom does up root 3 kings. ----------- As to the MSM comment. I observe everywhere that it's important that we all should see Russia as this "Hitler like" but weak, inept, laughable thing that needs to be Cancel Cultured. I am told to not take Russia seriously when they make threats. I am told that if I don't back Ukraine, I should also be Cancel Cultured. Taking Russia for granted IMHO is a very serious mistake. That's all I was trying to say. ----------- Being that this is a Prophecy Forum, should we not speculate on what we read in the Bible vs what we see going on today? 1) Don't keep hammering some point that isn't there. You can't force the Bible to say something it doesn't, and you can't force me to agree with you on it.. 2) I didn't cite MSM sources. Even then, what matters is facts not who states them. All you had to do is ask for sources, but I provided quite a few Non-MSM sources already. No one is getting "cancel cultured" and I'd like to see your source on that, because a lot of media on the right try to isolate people for their own grift by inciting fear of non-approved sources. The Russians are getting canceled, for good reason. 3) If you were raised on Cold War fears of the USSR, you need to realize that Russia had 1/3rd the economy of the USSR before going into Ukraine. They aren't the USSR. It isn't overconfidence that I say that Russia isn't doing well - it's actual analysis from people who gain nothing either way. It makes no sense for Russia to throw away the cream of it's military, to include a couple of generals, to play some game. Here's a collection of actual footage from Ukraine: linkThere are other rumblings such as this, which is not from MSM sources: t.me/uniannet/36076Google translate version: Internal squabbling begins in Russia over the catastrophe in Ukraine Putin instructed the head of the control and audit department of the Presidential Administration Dmitry Shalkov, the head of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation Alexander Bastrykin, the Prosecutor General Igor Krasnov and the first deputy director of the FSB Sergey Korolev to conduct a thorough check of the funds allocated for subversive activities in Ukraine and the formation of the "fifth column" in 2014- 2022. People who were in charge of the Ukrainian direction are under suspicion of embezzling funds: former presidential aide Vladislav Surkov, former head of the department for cultural and public relations with neighboring countries, General Vladimir Chernov, his successor in this post, Igor Maslov, head of the 5th FSB Service, General Sergei Conversation, the head of Rossotrudnichestvo Yevgeny Primakov, former curators of the Ukrainian direction at the Ministry of Economic Development Mikhail Babich and Yana Lantratova, the current Minister of Foreign Affairs of Abkhazia finale Ardzinba and others. It is believed that this group of people "mastered" about $ 5 billion, completely failing all the work and feeding Putin frank disinformation, on the basis of which he decided to send troops. |
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Post by socalexile on Mar 9, 2022 17:32:53 GMT -6
He's a former intel guy and posts regularly. There's a few guys out there doing these like Funker530 and S2 Underground but they aren't posting as often or as focused on the ground situation. I'm retired military and he seems credible to me. He's also sourcing info coming in that I see all day long on Social Media and Telegram, which tell a lot more than the talking heads do. He and the other two guys are laying down the situation like they would brief a commander. There is a lot of grift surrounding this event. There's people I used to listen to that have said some completely false things or even tried to justify Russia's actions. A lot of people are playing the "the MSM lies, so you should believe the opposite which I will tell you" game, which is wrong. Others try moral equivalency between Russia now and the US 20 years ago which has nothing to do with today. I've unsubbed from a lot of channels. Are you familiar with the agreements Nato made to not expand east after the USSR fell? And that in 2014, the coup to overthrow the pro-Russian government of Ukraine that killed 114 Ukrainians/Russians was very likely backed by the US? Then after that coup, the US and EU sent in companies to basically plunder the Ukraine of its resources with no guarantees of protection like other nations have with Nato? We plundered the Ukraine and then threw her aside to be left for dead. SO ... Russia isn't justified? Russia says they are justified. They invaded. This is the kind of disinfo that some alternative media outlets are pushing justifying what Russia is doing. Countries can freely join whatever alliance they choose in order to protect themselves from threats. That desire to protect themselves turned out to be justified when Russia invaded. Russia has no complaint here. Then you're switching the argument and faulting the US and EU for NOT adding Ukraine to NATO. C'mon now, pick an argument. BTW they can't join NATO with an active internal conflict, and guess what? Putin sent cash to some pro-Russian people in Donbas, then sent his own mercenaries and operatives to foster an insurgency with them. When Ukraine started winning they sent active duty military (which shot down that airliner BTW), and then THEY started losing. Now he's doing a full invasion and that isn't going all that well, not just because of numbers of casualties and lost vehicles, but because they're not demonstrating good strategy. Accusations about "plundering" by US and EU does in no way excuse what Russia is doing trying to plunder Ukraine NOW. But this is what they do: deflect from the issue at hand with red herrings and try to guilt everyone into doing nothing and letting evil flourish. The US killed civilians in Iraq (as a rule we tried to avoid killing them), so therefore Russia shelling maternity wards is okay. You aren't playing with people who care about actual reason or fair play. They will say the most insane things with a straight face to gaslight you. Everything that the Right has said about the MSM applies to the Russians 100x more. Yet people like Tucker Carlson will make the case that Russia isn't the bad guy here. |
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