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Post by socalexile on Mar 8, 2022 21:12:25 GMT -6
The false conspiracy that is being peddled by Russia and people that have fallen for Russian propaganda is that they are being used for the development of bioweapons for the United States and Ukraine, and that Russia has a legitimate excuse to invade Ukraine in order to stop this alleged weapons development. the problem is, it's not even a secret when it has a public page: linkYes, biolabs exist. That doesn't make them bad. Biological research facilities aren't some gotcha to justify a war. Russia has them too, and if we want to talk about exposing their people to potentially deadly risk under the guise of science, the Russians in 2017 had an incident where an experimental rocket exploded near Severodvinsk and exposed civilians to radiation, and they tried to cover it up ( link). So that, like the argument about joining NATO, doesn't give them a casus belli on Ukraine. What it does give them, is an opportunity to turn people who listen to grifting websites by framing something as a massive conspiracy that the glorious Soviet Russian leader, Vladimir Putin, protector of Christianity, destroyer of capitalism in Russia... ...oh yeah, that: Russia Proposes Nationalizing Foreign-Owned Factories That Shut OperationsBasically he's using this to flat-out rob his own economy, which means he's robbing the people. Again. Russian disinformation operations prey on gullible people who don't spot the subtle differences in claims vs. reality. A biolab for virus/cultures analysis funded in a cooperative manner with the US is not by any stretch of the imagination a military bioweapons program funded by a satanic US. Yet some girl on some obscure channel talked for two hours about something people haven't even taken that time to actually do their own independent research on the subject, much less read the Wikipedia page on the War in Donbas ( link) to know what the heck is going on. Speaking of which, if you can give some grace to a eccentric but humorous youtuber, he is quite informative and makes good, accurate points about Putin and the failure of the Russian army: |
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Post by socalexile on Mar 8, 2022 21:41:21 GMT -6
A great channel for frequent (usually twice daily) updated on the ground situation in Ukraine:
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Post by socalexile on Mar 8, 2022 22:34:41 GMT -6
Russian soldier talking about how he was deceived into taking part in the invasion, then asks for forgiveness:
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Post by socalexile on Mar 9, 2022 6:34:06 GMT -6
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Post by socalexile on Mar 9, 2022 6:47:20 GMT -6
The Russians are running press gangs. VideoTranslation:  |
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Post by mike on Mar 9, 2022 7:25:19 GMT -6
I'm having a hard time seeing the correlation to prophesy in the last couple pages of this thread. Frankly dont really see it at all. Can someone link this content (in context) to bible prophecy. The connection here is extremely loosely tied to Gog if at all.
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Post by stormyknight on Mar 9, 2022 8:06:12 GMT -6
mike, I've been wondering about all this as well. The only connection I can make is Ezekiel 38:4. I've been watching for the Russian army to back off of Ukraine only to be dragged into a conflict further and further south until they reach Israel and are joined by all the other countries named in Ezek. 38. I don't know though, it seems early for that war to take place yet. I was thinking there might be other events take place first, like the building of the third temple or something like that.
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Post by uscgvet on Mar 9, 2022 8:41:32 GMT -6
And yes, the Russian military is struggling. It's unprofessional and poorly organized for the fight that Putin started. It turns out that its power is almost entirely based on the myth about it. One thing they do, however, is compensate for their shortcomings with brutality and firepower. They think they can shoot their way out of any problem. What that means is that they're literally shooting missiles at apartment buildings to cower Ukrainian civilians into giving up. When they don't, they'll declare an entire city to be combatants and just start killing everyone. They did this in Aleppo. It's going to get a lot worse, but the Russian military is underperforming right now, and they've angered the same countries that are listed in Ezekiel 38-39. There is no coalition to fulfill that prophecy like we've been told all our church lives. Ukraine is the bait. You don't bait your hook with your best, most expensive, catfish from your restaurant. You bait it with live worms of which you wouldn't eat yourself. So Russia isn't going to use their best equipment, their best strategy, their best tactics, their strongest show of force. Russia is going to look weak, and disorganized, and inept. Russia is not poorly organized. They know exactly what they are doing. The Russian army may appear like an old, injured fish flapping around in the water in Ukraine, looking like an easy target with the old equipment and "supply chain" issues, they are not. They are very high tech, very up to date on technology. The real bear is waiting for Nato to bite. |
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Post by socalexile on Mar 9, 2022 9:10:38 GMT -6
And yes, the Russian military is struggling. It's unprofessional and poorly organized for the fight that Putin started. It turns out that its power is almost entirely based on the myth about it. One thing they do, however, is compensate for their shortcomings with brutality and firepower. They think they can shoot their way out of any problem. What that means is that they're literally shooting missiles at apartment buildings to cower Ukrainian civilians into giving up. When they don't, they'll declare an entire city to be combatants and just start killing everyone. They did this in Aleppo. It's going to get a lot worse, but the Russian military is underperforming right now, and they've angered the same countries that are listed in Ezekiel 38-39. There is no coalition to fulfill that prophecy like we've been told all our church lives. Ukraine is the bait. You don't bait your hook with your best, most expensive, catfish from your restaurant. You bait it with live worms of which you wouldn't eat yourself. So Russia isn't going to use their best equipment, their best strategy, their best tactics, their strongest show of force. Russia is going to look weak, and disorganized, and inept. Russia is not poorly organized. They know exactly what they are doing. The Russian army may appear like an old, injured fish flapping around in the water in Ukraine, looking like an easy target with the old equipment and "supply chain" issues, they are not. They are very high tech, very up to date on technology. The real bear is waiting for Nato to bite. Except they sent the VDV and the 1st Tank Guards as well as other elite units. They were hammered because of gross tactical negligence and logistical problems. Russia is using their top equipment that can actually be fielded. The SU-57 doesn't have the engines with the output needed for that kind of fighter, plus other development issues, so it can't be used. The T-14 is having quality control issues with the 10 or 20 that have supposedly been built. Read the link I posted above about Russia's economy. Their "domestic" tractor is actually manufactured in Czech Republic. They cannot actually produce in any effective quantity the weapons they claim to have developed. ETA: the main problem in Russia is corruption. Our government doesn't hold a candle to their level of grift. A $500 million dollar procurement program will end up with $200 million actually spent acquiring the needed items after everyone embezzles their cut. Top of the line ADA systems have substandard tires that are blowing off the rims in the field, and elite units aren't using encrypted comms. A lot of these problems were evident when they were in other conflicts. Ukraine is just a much bigger operation than Syria or Georgia, so their institutional problems are much more pronounced. They really are this bad. |
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Post by uscgvet on Mar 9, 2022 9:22:59 GMT -6
I'm having a hard time seeing the correlation to prophesy in the last couple pages of this thread. Frankly dont really see it at all. Can someone link this content (in context) to bible prophecy. The connection here is extremely loosely tied to Gog if at all. The bear is rising up on its side to grab a mouthful of ribs; 3 ribs specifically to the north west of Russia which all became NATO members on 22 November 2002. Just say'in. Daniel 7, the vision of the 4 beasts are one of the few visions, I think maybe even the only vision in Daniel that didn't get expounded on, or explained about by an angel. That tells me, IMHO, it was meant for the very end of days. The lion with the eagles wings is IMHO: the EU (British lion) and the US. The wings get plucked off, that's the US getting turned into a glass parking lot from space. Ukraine is a trap. |
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Post by socalexile on Mar 9, 2022 9:24:47 GMT -6
I'm having a hard time seeing the correlation to prophesy in the last couple pages of this thread. Frankly dont really see it at all. Can someone link this content (in context) to bible prophecy. The connection here is extremely loosely tied to Gog if at all. Yeah sorry if I went off-topic but I felt I had to do it because people are getting flat-out deceived by some of the stuff going around. I don't see Gog/Magog in this either. If anything Gog/Magog more closely resembles the Syrian war if you consider that Syria is, according to the Bible, Hebrew land. They just haven't fought at Megiddo. |
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Post by socalexile on Mar 9, 2022 9:30:08 GMT -6
I'm having a hard time seeing the correlation to prophesy in the last couple pages of this thread. Frankly dont really see it at all. Can someone link this content (in context) to bible prophecy. The connection here is extremely loosely tied to Gog if at all. The bear is rising up on its side to grab a mouthful of ribs; 3 ribs specifically to the north west of Russia which all became NATO members on 22 November 2002. Just say'in. Daniel 7, the vision of the 4 beasts are one of the few visions, I think maybe even the only vision in Daniel that didn't get expounded on, or explained about by an angel. That tells me, IMHO, it was meant for the very end of days. Ukraine is a trap. It was explained by the Angel. It's the Medo-Persian empire, which was conquered by the Greek empire, who in turn were conquered by the Romans. Be careful of newspaper exegesis. |
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Post by uscgvet on Mar 9, 2022 9:37:20 GMT -6
The bear is rising up on its side to grab a mouthful of ribs; 3 ribs specifically to the north west of Russia which all became NATO members on 22 November 2002. Just say'in. Daniel 7, the vision of the 4 beasts are one of the few visions, I think maybe even the only vision in Daniel that didn't get expounded on, or explained about by an angel. That tells me, IMHO, it was meant for the very end of days. Ukraine is a trap. It was explained by the Angel. It's the Medo-Persian empire, which was conquered by the Greek empire, who in turn were conquered by the Romans. Be careful of newspaper exegesis. The 4th animal was expounded on by the angel. Not really much about the first 3 animals other than they are 3 kings that may or may not have been defeated by the 4th. |
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Post by socalexile on Mar 9, 2022 9:46:53 GMT -6
It was explained by the Angel. It's the Medo-Persian empire, which was conquered by the Greek empire, who in turn were conquered by the Romans. Be careful of newspaper exegesis. The 4th animal was expounded on by the angel. Not really much about the first 3 animals other than they are 3 kings that may or may not have been defeated by the 4th. Which the Roman Empire did. We can agree to disagree on the prophecy stuff. But the evidence in Ukraine isn't that it's a trap, but the result of an incredibly corrupt military that is not organized, trained or even has the needed culture to do the mission it's trying to accomplish. You do realize that the Russian army doesn't have NCOs like the west does, right? They have senior privates with no where near the authority or ability of a staff sergeant or E-7. BTW the T-34 was, as built, a piece of junk also. The Lazerpig guy I posted above did a very, very, good (and funny) vid about it a couple months back. ETA: For the sake of argument, we agree that the bear of Daniel 7 is referring to Russia, how is it that the ribs aren't representative of the first time it captured the Balkan states in WWII after being laid on it's side by Nazi Germany? |
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Post by mike on Mar 9, 2022 10:12:51 GMT -6
mike , I've been wondering about all this as well. The only connection I can make is Ezekiel 38:4. I've been watching for the Russian army to back off of Ukraine only to be dragged into a conflict further and further south until they reach Israel and are joined by all the other countries named in Ezek. 38. I don't know though, it seems early for that war to take place yet. I was thinking there might be other events take place first, like the building of the third temple or something like that. Could this eventually lead to Eze 38? perhaps, but it is no where near that. Wars and rumors of wars - I'm on board with that. socalexile uscgvet - I certainly dont mind the discussion about wars & rumors of wars, and/or the logistics of whats happening. tennessean - posting links to articles (that appear to me) to be quite biased, does not constitute "prophecy" without context. If you are citing others please add your thoughts as to why it is relevant to a discussion. This is a discussion forum not a place to post links to other websites. |
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