Noah’s Ark and the Flood

Thank you uscgvet , and I understand your position on Rev. 18. How do you assign Jerusalem to that chapter? Here is Chapter 18 in chiasmus form (IMO):

1)"After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was made bright with his glory.
    2) And he called out with a mighty voice, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! She has become a dwelling place for demons, a haunt for every unclean spirit, a haunt for every unclean bird, a haunt for every unclean and detestable beast.
        3) For all nations have drunk the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality, and the kings of the earth have committed immorality with her, 
and the merchants of the earth have grown rich from the power of her luxurious living.”
            4) Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues;
                5) for her sins are heaped high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.
                    6) Pay her back as she herself has paid back others, and repay her double for her deeds; mix a double portion for her bin the cup she mixed.
                        7) As she glorified herself and lived in luxury, so give her a like measure of torment and mourning, since in her heart she says, ‘I sit as a queen, I am no widow, and mourning I shall never see.’
                            8) For this reason her plagues will come in a single day, death and mourning and famine, and she will be burned up with fire; 
for mighty is the Lord God who has judged her.”
                                9) And the kings of the earth, who committed sexual immorality and lived in luxury with her, will weep and wail over her when they see the smoke of her burning.
                                    10) They will stand far off, in fear of her torment, and say, “Alas! Alas! You great city, you mighty city, Babylon! For min a single hour your judgment has come.”
                                        11-13) And the merchants of the earth weep and mourn for her, since no one buys their cargo anymore, cargo of gold, silver, jewels, pearls, fine linen, purple cloth, silk, scarlet cloth, all kinds of scented wood, all kinds of articles of ivory, all kinds of articles of costly wood, bronze, iron and marble, cinnamon, spice, incense, myrrh, frankincense, wine, oil, fine flour, wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and slaves, that is, human souls.
                                    14) “The fruit for which your soul longed has gone from you, and all your delicacies and your splendors are lost to you, never to be found again!”
                                15) The merchants of these wares, who gained wealth from her, will stand far off, in fear of her torment, weeping and mourning aloud,
                            16)  “Alas, alas, for the great city that was clothed in fine linen, in purple and scarlet, adorned with gold, with jewels, and with pearls!
                        17-18) For in a single hour all this wealth has been laid waste.” And tall shipmasters and seafaring men, sailors and all whose trade is on the sea, stood far off  and cried out vas they saw the smoke of her burning, “What city was like the great city?”
                    19) And they threw dust on their heads as they wept and mourned, crying out, “Alas, alas, for the great city where all who had ships at sea  grew rich by her wealth! For in a single hour she has been laid waste.
                20) Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you saints and apostles and prophets, for God has given judgment for you against her!”
            21) Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “So will Babylon the great city be thrown down with violence, and will be found no more;
        22) and the sound of harpists and musicians, of flute players and trumpeters, will be heard in you no more, and a craftsman of any craft will be found in you no more, and the sound of the mill will be heard in you no more,
    23) and the light of a lamp will shine in you no more, and the voice of bridegroom and bride will be heard in you no more, for your merchants were the great ones of the earth, and all nations were deceived by your sorcery.
24) And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all who have been slain on earth.”


For me the chapter is about buying and selling merchandise and this is highlighted in the chiasmus center. That is why I assign a link to Chapter 13 where a new economic system is installed that not based upon merchants buying and selling but a mark for equitable distribution of goods and services; so they will say.

Ezekiel, Ezekiel, why art thou Ezekiel?

That book is so hard for me because he changed up the metaphors.

Thank you uscgvet , for sharing how you linked Jerusalem to Rev. 18. Also, you said the following that I would like to tweak just a little.


Jesus is the God of this earth whereas an apostle is a special witness to Jesus' life upon this earth (IMO), while a prophet gives prophecy to future events. I hope you do not mind me saying that but all of us owe our existence to Jesus; interestingly, he is our creator. All that we have and all opportunities that we may enjoy come from him. On the other hand, all judgment upon the wicked comes from him. More than a prophet, Jesus provides for the salvation of man into the eternities; for ever and ever. Unless as I referenced, that the sinner chooses Satan and enjoys damnation for ever and ever. Although, I doubt that damnation is enjoyable. But there seems to be countless numbers of people who are determined to go there. I don't get it.

Okay, my younger brother (61) is at deaths door; and I mean he can not stand up type of stuff. To walk to he bathroom from his hospital bed. And yet, Jesus, nor salvation is a concern. Really. I can see if a person is wicked like Hitler and not wanting to face the God of this earth. But a reasonably good person not willing to accept salvation that is so readily available does not compute. Wow. I can see so clearly the Savior providing salvation and my brother does not even have a clue. My mother on the other hand that passed in 2010 listened to my advice when I said "stay close to Jesus". She knew and did just that. But for the ones who do not have a clue they are lost to some life in damnation for ever.

For anyone who does not know that Jesus is the God of this earth please spend the time to develop your testimony. It is all so elementary to me because I know it like I know the words that I am typing. It is all so clear and easy for me to see. So if you have a weak testimony then please spend the time to develop your security in Christ. I know that Jesus lives and that he is my salvation. Absolutely no doubt at all. It is simply part of my life to know this like breathing air. It is simply a reality for me that Jesus is the God of this earth.

Yes, I'm fully trinitarian.  God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, One God in 3 persons.

I was only showing that Jerusalem and Rome, being linked with Babylon in Rev 18, were guilty of killing the prophets and apostles, which also included the Son of God.

Hebrews 3:1 = Jesus = "the Apostle"
Matthew 21:11 = Jesus = "This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee"
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Thank you uscgvet , and the first thing that stood out to me was "crimson" that represents the color of blood and links to Isa. 1:18. So this is a very good find to support your position. Because, Chapter 1 of Isaiah is about the two houses of Israel that are Ephraim and Judah and the metaphors in Isa. 1:1 are used to show this. Ephraim representing the latter day Christians and Judah representing the Jews. Thus, in the verse you quoted we have Israel, in the two houses, addressed that they are guilty of murder and choosing other gods. They being lovers of Babylon. This is my interpretation but yours is good as well.

Post Script: To aid in understanding my interpretation of the verse (4:30 above) is the following:

1) the verse is speaking about Israel
2) to be spoiled is to be out of sync with God; like rotten food is spoiled
3) to be clothed with crimson is to be covered with blood and guilty of sin
4) to be decked with ornaments of Gold is to be out of the way and following a semblance of God but not really following God
5) the face painting is to make "thyself fair" and this is to present themselves to their supposed friends as in the way of the world


6) these who are "spoiled" like rotten food, that is Israel, make themselves fair for their lovers that reside in Babylon the economic system; and these lovers despise Israel. In fact, these lovers in Babylon are the ones who kill the prophets and saints (Rev. 17:6, 19:2). That is, Babylon that causes the lust for money causes the death of God's servants. These Babylonians murder each other every day for money; and more than that, these Babylonians will murder anyone who stands in their way of wealth.  And so, God avenges upon these murders (Rev. 19:2) that is Babylon and her servants, for murdering his people (Rev. 6:9-10, 18:20). God avenges his saints when he destroys Babylon via the beast (Rev. 17:16).

The good news is that God rescues his people from those in Babylon when he causes the whore to be eaten and burned (Rev. 17:16) causing her fall (Rev. 18:2). It is then that he calls Israel to come out of her (Rev. 18:4) to safety (Rev. 18:23). It is Babylon and her sorceries causing lust for money, power, etc. that is brought down by the beast and in so doing she is converted into a new economic system that is the mark of the beast economic system (Rev. 13:11-18).

Like, do we not see the wickedness around us and want to be out of it. That wickedness is caused by Babylon whom the wicked worship and within whom we are forced to live. That is why the great men are having fornication with Babylon (Rev. 17:1-2, 18:3, 19:2). We are all fornicating with Babylon and some do not like it but some do. It is for that reason that we are called out of her on a world wide scale. The entire world is fornicating with the economic system Babylon (Rev. 17:2). The entire world is being made drunk by her power and that can not be said about Jerusalem.

Lastly, Israel is comprised of two houses and both are guilty; both are going to be spanked and called to repentance. Those of Judah and in the nation state of Israel, and the Christians throughout the world (Rev. 13:7).

Sorry about this but I just realized that you are interpreting Rev. 18:4 as saints being called out of Jerusalem. However, Rev. 18:24 shows that the avenging of God upon Babylon involves the entire earth and not just Jerusalem. That is, the blood of saints upon the earth are avenged and not specifically the blood of the saints in Jerusalem. That is, Babylon covers the entire earth and not only Jerusalem. I can see the interpretation of the city as Jerusalem (Rev. 17:18), but the kings of the earth are not subject to Jerusalem. Thus, the kings of the earth having fornication (Rev. 18:3) are kings throughout the earth having fornication with the economic system. Thus, the great city (Rev. 17:18) is the worlds economic system. It is a brilliant metaphor used by John to show that kings of the earth have been made drunk by fornicating with Babylon and getting rich, and Chapter 18 shows this. And by the way, the kings of the earth are Christian as shown in Rev. 1:6, 5:10. That is, we are the kings of the earth in the BofR. We are the ones fornicating with Babylon that will be called out in Rev. 18:4 to be taken in Rev. 18:23. So it is that Christians in Jerusalem will also be called out at the same time IMO.

Another way to look at it is that the mark of the beast economic system (Rev. 13:11-18) replaces capitalism (Babylon).