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Post by lookuptim on Jul 21, 2017 10:42:05 GMT -6
Welcome Lookuptim! Totally agree that people are asleep! Everywhere. God told us they would be😔. I can see how a God could speak to you about it. We can see so much of his heart/design in the scriptures that we didn't before. But I admit I am cautioned about applying that that verse means into the tribulation, regarding the church. If you look at the word 'thief' you will see it appear only after the cross 6x. Each time it is referencing the day of the Lord . Especially to the issues that the day of the Lord would not arrive like a thief in the night to those who been watching. I'm not convinced that I am saying that believers would be in the Tribulation. I think that is referring specifically to the Jewish people once tribulation begins. The Bible mentions several times(!) in the Old Testament and Matthew Mark and Luke and John- thief. Hey truthseeker! I think I am in agreement with you, if I understood you correctly. I have always been pre-trib. I just meant to connect it to how, as you pointed out, the Lord states through Paul and John in their epistles that those who are expecting the rapture and with it the likely simultaneous 'sudden destruction' won't be surprised when it happens since they were watching. I think there is a possible connection with what John wrote: "Now, little children, abide in Him, so that when He appears, we may have confidence and not shrink away from Him in shame at His coming." (1 John 2:28). Even though it seems oddly placed in Rev. 16, I'm of the belief that Jesus is warning believers (before the rapture takes place) to get ready so that we will not be ashamed at His coming, but the placement in terms of it being in the middle of the tribulation judgments does make me wonder whether it's applicable to the church (since as I said I believe the church is harpazoed out before the trib). I could be wrong, otherwise if He's coming as a thief and it is directed to Jews in the tribulation, would that verse be referencing His Second Coming in your mind? |
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Post by lookuptim on Jul 21, 2017 10:52:33 GMT -6
Also, I was watching the newest Left Behind movie from a few years ago, and, I'm not sure if I'm reading too much into it, but check out the first 50 or so seconds! (Eclipse motion graphic, followed a little later by 'Virgin' airlines as the first airplane shown at the airport - Virgo connection?.) There are so many little hints that I've found here and there regarding 9/23 and recently the eclipse. The movie 'Know1ng' also has an eclipse as its logo title and references apocalyptic things using numbers and the like (including 9/23 in the opening credits) and it also stars Nicholas Cage like Left Behind. Just throwing it out there.  There are several more out there I and other have come across. Take it with a grain of salt I suppose. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 10:53:10 GMT -6
I think that this is about the beginning of the tribulation. When it starts, the PREtrib Saints are gone and 'tribulation' saints will start to accumulate. It was a warning to the Jews that once the day started, this would be the condition that they would be in,.... naked. He would be warning them to get it together before he returned the second time(?)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 10:58:48 GMT -6
We talked here before on this. I definitely think that from the eclipse, the 'nation' is being given 40 days to turn from its ways, but because Jesus said the Jews would not get another sign, I think 'individually', the rapture will take place before the sign is given. The Jews WOULD be given the son of the woman, but at that time it would be TOO LATE which would be in agreement of Jesus telling them that they would not get another sign........ As a warning that is.
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Post by yardstick on Jul 21, 2017 12:45:38 GMT -6
We talked here before on this. I definitely think that from the eclipse, the 'nation' is being given 40 days to turn from its ways, but because Jesus said the Jews would not get another sign, I think 'individually', the rapture will take place before the sign is given. The Jews WOULD be given the son of the woman, but at that time it would be TOO LATE which would be in agreement of Jesus telling them that they would not get another sign........ As a warning that is. Sorry, but I am confused. Can you explain please? |
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Post by whatif on Jul 21, 2017 13:02:44 GMT -6
Also, I was watching the newest Left Behind movie from a few years ago, and, I'm not sure if I'm reading too much into it, but check out the first 50 or so seconds! (Eclipse motion graphic, followed a little later by 'Virgin' airlines as the first airplane shown at the airport - Virgo connection?.) There are so many little hints that I've found here and there regarding 9/23 and recently the eclipse. The movie 'Know1ng' also has an eclipse as its logo title and references apocalyptic things using numbers and the like (including 9/23 in the opening credits) and it also stars Nicholas Cage like Left Behind. Interesting, lookuptim! Great catch! |
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Post by justme on Jul 21, 2017 14:40:54 GMT -6
Question....when the eclipse happens on 8/21, will anyone in the path be let staring directly at the sign? I know from the earlier article that it will be in the general area, but will the other elements be nearby (obviously, it won't be the complete sign...just wondering how much, if any, will be visible).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 15:16:55 GMT -6
yardstick - what part or all of it - did I confuse you with? The first part is we as 'nations' repent and turn to God for national blessings and another part is that we as 'individuals' repent, unto salvation. Nations do not receive "eternal" blessings, but temporal earthly blessings. Israel received promises that contained blessings and cursings in their Dealings with God(specified in Scripture). Gentile nations receive blessings and cursings with how they treat Israel(specified in the Scriptures).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 15:25:37 GMT -6
Yes. All objects are in the sky, but not even close to aligned.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 15:40:57 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 15:56:57 GMT -6
Thanks for the visual, Beloved!
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Post by yardstick on Jul 21, 2017 18:05:13 GMT -6
yardstick - what part or all of it - did I confuse you with? The first part is we as 'nations' repent and turn to God for national blessings and another part is that we as 'individuals' repent, unto salvation. Nations do not receive "eternal" blessings, but temporal earthly blessings. Israel received promises that contained blessings and cursings in their Dealings with God(specified in Scripture). Gentile nations receive blessings and cursings with how they treat Israel(specified in the Scriptures). That clarifies what you said greatly! Thank you! |
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Post by justme on Jul 21, 2017 18:21:30 GMT -6
Awesome....thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 18:38:37 GMT -6
We talked here before on this. I definitely think that from the eclipse, the 'nation' of USA is being given 40 days to turn from its ways. But because Jesus said the Jews would NOT get another sign, I think the raptured 'individuals ( saved Jew and Gentile)" will go BEFORE the sign is given. The unbelieving Jews WOULD be given the SIGN of the woman, but at that time it would after the rapture and be TOO LATE.... which would be in agreement of Jesus telling them that they would not get another sign (in the form of a warning that is). Did that make more sense? |
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Post by yardstick on Jul 21, 2017 18:44:23 GMT -6
We talked here before on this. I definitely think that from the eclipse, the 'nation' of USA is being given 40 days to turn from its ways. But because Jesus said the Jews would NOT get another sign, I think the raptured 'individuals ( saved Jew and Gentile)" will go BEFORE the sign is given. The unbelieving Jews WOULD be given the SIGN of the woman, but at that time it would after the rapture and be TOO LATE.... which would be in agreement of Jesus telling them that they would not get another sign (in the form of a warning that is). Did that make more sense? Crystal clear! and I agree! |
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There are several more out there I and other have come across. Take it with a grain of salt I suppose. 
