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Post by lionofgod on Apr 26, 2021 20:18:49 GMT -6
There have been so many divisions in Jesus church since His Apostles all died. So much "fact" out there, stated by people who have never actually read old history, before the modern revisions. The religion of Christianity is a shadow of what it started as and was intended to be by Jesus and the apostles. As the "modern world" moves on they simply adopt and or edit out as the common beliefs of the time dictate. Since I've personally spent months only doing reading, researching, and cross referencing, historic texts and writings, I can tell you that the vast majority of people out there lived in a false narrative of Biblical history. In my research, I recently came across this page. It has no sect or dogma or rules. Just a sincere apparent desire to educate the people who want to know the truth about your Christian Biblical history. It is the first time I've come across someone that has put the time and effort into telling the history that was true. the lost books I don't know the person who did all the research, and took time to put this together, but as a seeker of truth in all things, I appreciate their troubles, for our benefit. The truth is only "The Truth", as long as people are taught it, once the lie is totally accepted, the "truth" becomes the lie.
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Post by Natalie on Apr 26, 2021 20:35:35 GMT -6
One quote from the Gospel of Thomas, from that site you linked --
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Simon Peter said to them: Let Mary go forth from among us, for women are not worthy of the life. Jesus said: Behold, I shall lead her, that I may make her male, in order that she also may become a living spirit like you males. For every woman who makes herself male shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Do you really believe Jesus said something like this? That this is truth?
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Post by Natalie on Apr 26, 2021 20:51:55 GMT -6
From the Gospel of the Holy Twelve (I'm guessing this was put together by the 12 apostles. I will have to look into that) I have highlighted the things that contradict things in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John and that are in error. They teach a different Jesus.
And they were both pure before God; and of them both was Jesu-Maria who is called the Christ. (Jesus was not from Joseph and Mary) 3. And the angel came in unto her and said, Hail, Mary, thou that art highly favoured, for the Mother of God is with thee:(I am not sure what this even means, although reading on, I think it's a typo and is supposed to say Motherhood of God is with thee) blessed art thou among women and blessed be the fruit of thy womb. 4. And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found favour with God and, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb and bring forth a child, and He shall be great and shalt be called a Son of the Highest. (No, He is THE Son of the Most High) 5. And the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: and he shall reign over the house of Jacob forever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 6. Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her The Holy Spirit shall come upon Joseph thy Spouse, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee, O Mary, therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Christ, the Child of God, and his Name on earth shalt be called Jesu-Maria, for he shall save the people from their sins, whosoever shall repent and obey his Law. (This is not a requirement for salvation see John 3:16) 7. Therefore ye shall eat no flesh, nor drink strong drink, for the child shall be consecrated unto God from its mother’s womb, and neither flesh nor strong drink shall he take, nor shall razor touch his head. (Not sure this contradicts, but it's never mentioned in the 4 Gospels - He didn't need to be consecrated to God because He is God) 8. And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. For with God no thing shall be impossible. And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her. 9. And in the same day the angel Gabriel appeared unto Joseph in a dream and said unto him, Hail, Joseph, thou that art highly favoured, for the Fatherhood of God is with thee. Blessed art thou among men and blessed be the fruit of thy loins. (Jesus was conceived in Mary by the Holy Spirit, Joseph and Mary did not come together until after Jesus was born. 10. And as Joseph thought upon these words he was troubled, and the angel of the Lord said unto him, Fear not, Joseph, thou Son of David, for thou hast found favour with God, and behold thou shalt beget a child (nope, it was a virgin birth), and thou shalt call his name Jesu-Maria (close, but not - His name was Yeshua. His name means salvation in Hebrew) for he shall save his people from their sins.
This so called Gospel is preaching a different Jesus.
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Post by Natalie on Apr 26, 2021 21:02:38 GMT -6
From the Gospel of Judas - after all, he was a disciple and knows things
(I am having trouble with the coloring for some reason. I didn't choose blue on this post.)
Jesus said, “[Come], that I may teach you about [secrets] no person [has] ever seen. For there exists a great and boundless realm, whose extent no generation of angels has seen, [in which] there is great invisible [Spirit], which no eye of an angel has ever seen, no thought of the heart has ever comprehended, and it was never called by any name. “And a luminous cloud appeared there. He said, ‘Let an angel come into being as my attendant.’ “A great angel, the enlightened divine Self-Generated, emerged from the cloud. Because of him, four other angels came into being from another cloud, and they became attendants for the angelic Self-Generated. The Self-Generated said, [48] ‘Let […] come into being […],’ and it came into being […]. And he [created] the first luminary to reign over him. He said, ‘Let angels come into being to serve [him],’ and myriads without number came into being. He said, ‘[Let] an enlightened aeon come into being,’ and he came into being. He created the second luminary [to] reign over him, together with myriads of angels without number, to offer service. That is how he created the rest of the enlightened aeons. He made them reign over them, and he created for them myriads of angels without number, to assist them.So there is a Spirit with no name, an enlightened divine Self-generated great angel who creates luminaries which are some kind of being but not angels. None of this is Biblical. Sounds like Gnosticism.
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Post by Natalie on Apr 26, 2021 21:04:42 GMT -6
These are the reasons these so-called Gospels are left out of the canon of Scripture. They do not teach the same truth. Two more and I am done.
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Post by Natalie on Apr 26, 2021 21:32:32 GMT -6
The Gospel of Peter -- 38 When therefore those soldiers saw it, they awakened the centurion and the elders,–for they too were hard by keeping guard; 39 and, as they declared what things they had seen, again they see three men coming forth from the tomb, and two of them supporting one, and a cross following them. 40 And of the two the head reached unto the heaven, but the head of him that was led by them overpassed the heavens. 41 And they heard a voice from the heavens, saying, Hast thou preached to them that sleep? 42 And a response was heard from the cross, Yea.
A giant Jesus and a talking cross?
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Post by Natalie on Apr 26, 2021 21:39:20 GMT -6
Gospel of Thaddeus -- He was my older and wiser brother. But he was a stranger, even to his own family. He kept his distance, and brooded often. He was frequently disrespectful to our mother, did not obey our father, and later even maintained that his followers should leave their families and responsibilities to follow him to live in poverty, without giving any thought to how they might be housed, fed, or clothed. I realize now that my brother Jesus was mad. It is hard to believe that an illiterate peasant from the despised Nazareth, together with twelve equally illiterate peasants as followers, could start a movement, a religion, that could change the world. To appreciate how this could happen, you must understand something of our people and our times.
Sorry, but this is garbage. Blasphemous even.
To quote C.S. Lewis:
“I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God. That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.”
This is the last one I am quoting. It's enough to show that we must stick with what is in the canon of Scripture.
lionofgod - if the spirit you follow is telling you that this stuff is truth, you better be sure you have the right spirit. Because this quote from the Gospel of Thaddeus is straight from the enemy.
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Post by boraddict on Apr 26, 2021 21:47:30 GMT -6
Thank you lionofgod , and as I read your posting I thought about reading some of the material that you wrote about. Can you please post a chapter from one of the books so that I can do an analysis?
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Post by boraddict on Apr 26, 2021 22:04:31 GMT -6
The quote from the Gospel of Thaddeus is clearly satanic. lionofgod , please share your testimony of Jesus Christ and his gospel message.
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Post by uscgvet on Apr 27, 2021 6:04:11 GMT -6
One quote from the Gospel of Thomas, from that site you linked -- 114 Simon Peter said to them: Let Mary go forth from among us, for women are not worthy of the life. Jesus said: Behold, I shall lead her, that I may make her male, in order that she also may become a living spirit like you males. For every woman who makes herself male shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. Do you really believe Jesus said something like this? That this is truth? I won't speak of the book mentioned, but I will speak of Isaiah. Isaiah 46 (KJV) 3 Hearken unto me, O house of Jacob, and all the remnant of the house of Israel, which are borne by me from the belly, which are carried from the womb: 4 And even to your old age I am he; and even to hoar hairs will I carry you: I have made, and I will bear; even I will carry, and will deliver you. Strange wording from the Father. ----------------- Isaiah 43 (Matthew 24 gathering together of the saints from the 4 winds) 5 Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west; 6 I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth; Both sons and daughters will be collected...
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Post by mike on Apr 27, 2021 6:09:49 GMT -6
There have been so many divisions in Jesus church since His Apostles all died. So much "fact" out there, stated by people who have never actually read old history, before the modern revisions. The religion of Christianity is a shadow of what it started as and was intended to be by Jesus and the apostles. As the "modern world" moves on they simply adopt and or edit out as the common beliefs of the time dictate. Since I've personally spent months only doing reading, researching, and cross referencing, historic texts and writings, I can tell you that the vast majority of people out there lived in a false narrative of Biblical history. In my research, I recently came across this page. It has no sect or dogma or rules. Just a sincere apparent desire to educate the people who want to know the truth about your Christian Biblical history. It is the first time I've come across someone that has put the time and effort into telling the history that was true. the lost books I don't know the person who did all the research, and took time to put this together, but as a seeker of truth in all things, I appreciate their troubles, for our benefit. The truth is only "The Truth", as long as people are taught it, once the lie is totally accepted, the "truth" becomes the lie. LoG - the point we are at here with your consistent insistence upon the works of people who put forth obvious fallacies is over on Unsealed. I had specifically asked you to not discuss the extra biblical in terms of being doctrine. the rules of the forum were provided to you and in an effort to be gracious towards your desire to discuss these we permitted a thread for you to evaluate the texts with those who wanted to. It is become clear that you arent interested in respecting the wishes of Unsealed as you continue to push for the extra biblical to placed upon an equal footing or even greater than the scripture itself. Youve admitted that you havent taken the time to read and study the bible. You cast doubt on the arrangement of the bible and how it came to be, yet you trust a webpage where someone claims the lost books are the truth? Since this is your desire please do it on another forum. the Jesus you are following is not another but a false one (2Cor 11:4)
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Post by mike on Apr 27, 2021 6:15:44 GMT -6
uscgvet , Im seeing this as idiomatic of how close God was to His people. Isaiah was telling them that the idols they worshipped were nothing in comparison to the One who 'birthed' the nation. It is strange in that He would equate His closeness to that of a woman carrying and giving birth. Commentaries concur...do you see it differently?
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Post by uscgvet on Apr 27, 2021 6:31:55 GMT -6
uscgvet , Im seeing this as idiomatic of how close God was to His people. Isaiah was telling them that the idols they worshipped were nothing in comparison to the One who 'birthed' the nation. It is strange in that He would equate His closeness to that of a woman carrying and giving birth. Commentaries concur...do you see it differently? I agree with the analysis. I'm sure most people get it, God was just showing how devoted he is to Israel as a parent. My intent wasn't to defend LoG's usage of blatantly false works.
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Post by mike on Apr 27, 2021 6:37:32 GMT -6
uscgvet - sorry I didnt mean for you to get that impression. I didnt think you were linking one with another. I was curious if you saw something different or in addition to the text. I cross referenced Barnes notes to see if I am missing what you saw. Sometimes I dont write what Im thinking
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Post by uscgvet on Apr 27, 2021 6:42:38 GMT -6
uscgvet - sorry I didnt mean for you to get that impression. I didnt think you were linking one with another. I was curious if you saw something different or in addition to the text. I cross referenced Barnes notes to see if I am missing what you saw. Sometimes I dont write what Im thinking I didn't get that impression from you. And I wasn't linking one with the other, but there are strange curiosities that are hard to explain in the Bible. Even the Apostles thought the idea of drinking Christ's blood and eating his flesh was a hard concept to grasp.
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