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Post by disciple4life on Nov 1, 2020 16:25:06 GMT -6
This is a really really great article. It's not promoting Trump or Biden, not a campaign ad for Republican, Democrat or Independent. It's about what happens to a culture, when Christians do nothing. www.foxnews.com/opinion/2020-election-evangelicals-myths-jason-yatesIn Germany, there was a church in a village near a train-tracks. The train broke down near the church. The people in the church heard lots of shouting, and cries for help. They opened the doors, to see thousands of Jews packed in the cars like cattle, headed for the concentration camp. The scene was disturbing and distracting from the service. So the song leader instructed them to sing louder. www.gospelherald.com/articles/67858/20161109/pro-life-film-sing-a-little-louder-shares-alarming-holocaust-church-lessons.htm It's mind-numbing that the 2016 election was decided by less than 100,000 votes in three states. Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. It's a good read for everyone. "Even though none of us could have predicted it, those voters in those three states effectively decided the future of the Supreme Court for generations" and by extension- the Supreme Court shaped our culture for decades. The Holocaust happened because tens of thousands of Christians in Europe saw what was happening, and did nothing. We have homosexual marriage and adoption today, because tens of thousands of Americans could not be bothered to vote in 2008. Obama put in a radical lesbian justice on the SCOTUS, and the landmark case of Oberfell was decided by the Supreme Court. This is very sobering - Wow. "Evangelical Christians are called to defend life, help the needy, speak up for the oppressed, stand for justice and uphold freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly and petition for all. But when we don’t vote, we allow someone else to make choices for us. Inaction always costs something, and it is usually more than we anticipate."
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Post by matthew2423 on Nov 9, 2020 8:10:21 GMT -6
Hello all!
I believe that the Presidential election this year will be decided by the United States Supreme Court. And, that Court has a strong conservative majority, so if it comes down to the Supreme Court, then Trump could get re-elected, so this election is not over yet. However, I think that about the time that the election is decided, I think that we will already have been raptured or it will be close to the Rapture. So, I think that if the Rapture happens before the Supreme Court decides the election, I think that the Antichrist will be revealed once the Court decides. I think that we should not discount the fact that it is a possibility that Kamala Harris, the media-declared "Vice President-Elect," could be the Antichrist! And yes, I know that she is a woman, but I do think that it is a possibility especially if Biden does not finish his first term or is not re-elected for a second term.
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Post by venge on Nov 9, 2020 9:10:36 GMT -6
Hello all! I believe that the Presidential election this year will be decided by the United States Supreme Court. And, that Court has a strong conservative majority, so if it comes down to the Supreme Court, then Trump could get re-elected, so this election is not over yet. However, I think that about the time that the election is decided, I think that we will already have been raptured or it will be close to the Rapture. So, I think that if the Rapture happens before the Supreme Court decides the election, I think that the Antichrist will be revealed once the Court decides. I think that we should not discount the fact that it is a possibility that Kamala Harris, the media-declared "Vice President-Elect," could be the Antichrist! And yes, I know that she is a woman, but I do think that it is a possibility especially if Biden does not finish his first term or is not re-elected for a second term. You are saying America is the beast Kingdom then. Who are the 10 horns that must rise out of this Kingdom before the AC comes about? They destroy Babylon...so has it been destroyed yet?
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Post by mike on Nov 9, 2020 9:52:45 GMT -6
Hello all! I believe that the Presidential election this year will be decided by the United States Supreme Court. And, that Court has a strong conservative majority, so if it comes down to the Supreme Court, then Trump could get re-elected, so this election is not over yet. However, I think that about the time that the election is decided, I think that we will already have been raptured or it will be close to the Rapture. So, I think that if the Rapture happens before the Supreme Court decides the election, I think that the Antichrist will be revealed once the Court decides. I think that we should not discount the fact that it is a possibility that Kamala Harris, the media-declared "Vice President-Elect," could be the Antichrist! And yes, I know that she is a woman, but I do think that it is a possibility especially if Biden does not finish his first term or is not re-elected for a second term. Dear brother, for me, personally, I have come to accept that our president was elected last week. As you and others will hopefully hear more and more: 1. God sets up and removes kings 2. we are passing through this place and are not citizens here. My question to you would be what if your stated belief is incorrect? Also what do you if the rapture hasnt taken place by January 21, 2021? Lastly scripture is pretty clear about the person of the anti-christ. This person is not a she but a he. While I'd concur that Harris is of the spirit of AC, she would not be the person of AC. The AC will be a deceptive copy of Christ 2 Thes 2:3 let not any one deceive you in any manner, because—if the falling away may not come first, and the (444) man of sin be revealed—the (5207) son of the destruction, 4 who is opposing and is raising himself up above all called God or worshipped, so that he in the sanctuary of God as God hath sat down, shewing himself off that he is God—[the day doth not come].
444 anthrópos: a man, human, mankind Original Word: ἄνθρωπος, ου, ὁ Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
5207 huios: a son Original Word: υἱός, οῦ, ὁ Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
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Post by boraddict on Nov 9, 2020 10:03:38 GMT -6
The other day I was watching a program on u-tube were some were referring to each other as prophets, and how God revealed to them this point or that point about the election and so forth. I don't think so; because, God gave us our prophets and apostles in the OT and NT. Today we have great leaders and that is quite obvious; however, they are not prophets, and the best one: have any of them witnessed the mortal life of Jesus to be called apostles? NO, and I love Rev. 2:2 for this very point; that "them which say they are apostles and are not" are liars. The same goes for those who claim to be Prophets of God.
So no one saw this coming and it seems reasonable that the dually elected president will remain so unless he concedes the election. It does not matter what anyone says about the matter except God. Thus, if God chose him to be president then he is, even if someone else takes the oath of office to preside over this country via the deep state. So, the "tail" that is an illegal government (Rev. 12:4) will stand before the woman that is ready to be delivered (the church) and she will be taken (Rev. 12:6).
The dragon, that in my opinion is China, has an influence with the incoming president. So, the "tail" that is the illegal government (v. 12:4) belongs in part or whole to China.
I have never understood how the Constitution could survive the onslaught of wickedness against it. And this is how it is done, that God's appointed president remains through it all: through the repeated attempts to overthrow that began with the Russia hoax, then the Ukraine phone call, and the impeachment, and now the fraudulent election. But God will have his way and his president will remain as such, as we enter this new period of time. I am not a prophet but a guesser as to what might be going on, and there is much more to my theory that I can not include it at this time.
Basically, our country will have two presidents if the 1st does not concede the election. The 2nd will rule as an illegal government. Much more that I can not say at this time. As you who know me know, most of my theories do not pan out.
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Post by disciple4life on Nov 9, 2020 10:50:23 GMT -6
Wow, brothers and sisters, Lots of different thoughts going on in my heart and head, right now. I keep repeating to my wife, kids, and siblings and others that Ultimately, our hope / our trust is not in horses or chariots, [clear symbols of wealth and power] or a president, or party or stimulus, or the stock market, but in the name of the Lord our God. We also keep repeating /reminding ourselves that "God guides the heart of kings like a water brook" and I Chron 29:12 "Wealth and honor come from you alone, for you rule over everything. Power and might are in your hand, and at your discretion people are made great and given strength." But we also know that it is a very normal part of our democratic process that close elections are contested, and there is plenty of precedent for that. We saw the election in 2000 between Bush and Al Gore which was declared by the media and then it went to the Supreme Court and was overturned. This agonizing process went on in to December. We need to let the process work itself out in the courts. Until then, we can all speculate and hope and wish, and pray, but before then, - it's simply conjecture to make the call. In the contest in 2000, the final decision made by the Supreme Court was made on Dec 12.
When we hear the ruling from the SCOTUS, then i'm prepared to accept that the process is done. Either way, I'll still get up, get dressed, and go to work, and I'll do these things before we know the result. Multiple world leaders are not congratulating Biden until the process is settled. This is really wise because they are not seen as interfering, and then they don't end up with egg on their face, if the election results turns out to be different - as determined by the Supreme Court. We've waited and waited for months, - watching for the rapture, looking for signs and feast days, Revelation 12 sign. What's another 40 days?? [The # of Testing in the Bible. ] When those signs come and the feast days, or blood moon Tetrads came and went, and we don't have a rapture - we don't throw up our hands and say "Oh,Well, that means the rapture is not real - just like the skeptics said." No, because we are guided by the deep belief that God's word is sure- even though we may not see all the pieces or interpret them correctly. We also saw the vile attacks and opposition to Justice Amy Coney Barret, and it's clear that the left could see the handwriting on the wall, and that their plan to cheat and steal would be contested, and with a conservative majority, it would be a fight, and likely overruled. We've also known for months that the Left would do everything possible, "use every weapon" in their power to block the nomination, and when they couldn't trap her in the hearings, they tried to use fear tactics and attack her character. Re boraddict , I'm with you- very skeptical whenever someone uses the title Apostle or Prophet. Why not just say pastor, teacher, unless to elevate themself as better or closer to God. Secondly, if someone claims to be a prophet, then shouldn't they also be held to the same standard as the Prophets in the OT, - where they were killed if their prophecy did not come true? gulp . I love your point about how some theories don't pan out. It reminded me of the similar point by Dr Barry Awe, -we're like scientists, testing hypotheses. ;-) I always get the same weird "spidey sense, red flag alert/ heart rate jumps up" when someone says "God told me in a dream" . We've all seen so many examples of this on You-tube and even this forum. Why not just say- "I had a dream ... maybe it was God, but it could also just be the double battered deep fried twinkies i ate." I agree mike also with your take on the AC. It's the same reason that you mentioned - the text seems very clear that it's a man, but it also ties in perfectly with why I and others believe it has to be a Jewish male. The Jews are looking for a Messiah, and he is prophesied to be from the Jewish line of David. The Jews won't even accept priests for training unless they can prove their lineage from the Tribe of Levi.
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Post by matthew2423 on Nov 9, 2020 12:31:45 GMT -6
Hello all! I believe that the Presidential election this year will be decided by the United States Supreme Court. And, that Court has a strong conservative majority, so if it comes down to the Supreme Court, then Trump could get re-elected, so this election is not over yet. However, I think that about the time that the election is decided, I think that we will already have been raptured or it will be close to the Rapture. So, I think that if the Rapture happens before the Supreme Court decides the election, I think that the Antichrist will be revealed once the Court decides. I think that we should not discount the fact that it is a possibility that Kamala Harris, the media-declared "Vice President-Elect," could be the Antichrist! And yes, I know that she is a woman, but I do think that it is a possibility especially if Biden does not finish his first term or is not re-elected for a second term. You are saying America is the beast Kingdom then. Who are the 10 horns that must rise out of this Kingdom before the AC comes about? They destroy Babylon...so has it been destroyed yet? venge, If America is the "beast Kingdom," then I would think that the ten horns would be mayors of sinful cities (like New York, Los Angeles, etc.) and/or governors of sinful states (like New York State, California, etc.). I think that America is headed down the path of possibly being the "beast Kingdom,". But, those are my thoughts on whom the ten horns would be.
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Post by matthew2423 on Nov 9, 2020 12:33:40 GMT -6
Hello all! I believe that the Presidential election this year will be decided by the United States Supreme Court. And, that Court has a strong conservative majority, so if it comes down to the Supreme Court, then Trump could get re-elected, so this election is not over yet. However, I think that about the time that the election is decided, I think that we will already have been raptured or it will be close to the Rapture. So, I think that if the Rapture happens before the Supreme Court decides the election, I think that the Antichrist will be revealed once the Court decides. I think that we should not discount the fact that it is a possibility that Kamala Harris, the media-declared "Vice President-Elect," could be the Antichrist! And yes, I know that she is a woman, but I do think that it is a possibility especially if Biden does not finish his first term or is not re-elected for a second term. Dear brother, for me, personally, I have come to accept that our president was elected last week. As you and others will hopefully hear more and more: 1. God sets up and removes kings 2. we are passing through this place and are not citizens here. My question to you would be what if your stated belief is incorrect? Also what do you if the rapture hasnt taken place by January 21, 2021? Lastly scripture is pretty clear about the person of the anti-christ. This person is not a she but a he. While I'd concur that Harris is of the spirit of AC, she would not be the person of AC. The AC will be a deceptive copy of Christ 2 Thes 2:3 let not any one deceive you in any manner, because—if the falling away may not come first, and the (444) man of sin be revealed—the (5207) son of the destruction, 4 who is opposing and is raising himself up above all called God or worshipped, so that he in the sanctuary of God as God hath sat down, shewing himself off that he is God—[the day doth not come].
444 anthrópos: a man, human, mankind Original Word: ἄνθρωπος, ου, ὁ Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
5207 huios: a son Original Word: υἱός, οῦ, ὁ Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine mike, Good to know. I did not know that the Antichrist absolutely had to be a man. I think that if my stated belief is incorrect, then God still has more people to bring to salvation. I think that if the Rapture has not taken place by January 21, 2021, then clearly God has more work to do in this nation and in the world. It's not His time yet.
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Post by venge on Nov 9, 2020 12:39:32 GMT -6
You are saying America is the beast Kingdom then. Who are the 10 horns that must rise out of this Kingdom before the AC comes about? They destroy Babylon...so has it been destroyed yet? venge, If America is the "beast Kingdom," then I would think that the ten horns would be mayors of sinful cities (like New York, Los Angeles, etc.) and/or governors of sinful states (like New York State, California, etc.). I think that America is headed down the path of possibly being the "beast Kingdom,". But, those are my thoughts on whom the ten horns would be. You had said, Lets assume that. If it were true, the 10 horns have to be in existence before her rise to power and the beast Kingdom as well. That being said, the 10 horns would also hate Babylon. So America would have to be the beast already, with her in power and it is possible Babylon would have to be destroyed before she comes to power since the 10 horns and the 4th Kingdom are the ones to destroy her, not the AC. I dont see that as past tense in our timeline. How do you see that?
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Post by matthew2423 on Nov 9, 2020 20:03:58 GMT -6
venge, If America is the "beast Kingdom," then I would think that the ten horns would be mayors of sinful cities (like New York, Los Angeles, etc.) and/or governors of sinful states (like New York State, California, etc.). I think that America is headed down the path of possibly being the "beast Kingdom,". But, those are my thoughts on whom the ten horns would be. You had said, Lets assume that. If it were true, the 10 horns have to be in existence before her rise to power and the beast Kingdom as well. That being said, the 10 horns would also hate Babylon. So America would have to be the beast already, with her in power and it is possible Babylon would have to be destroyed before she comes to power since the 10 horns and the 4th Kingdom are the ones to destroy her, not the AC. I dont see that as past tense in our timeline. How do you see that? venge, You could be right about that. The way I see it is that the 10 horns (if the Beast Kingdom is America) are already here. I could see governors like Andrew Cuomo in New York, Gavin Newsom in California, and I would say my home state's governor Ralph Northam here in Virginia. I could also see a few mayors like Bill de Blasio in New York City, Lori Lightfoot in Chicago, and Eric Garcetti in Los Angeles. Another "horn," could be Pete Buttigeg in South Bend. I agree that they hate Babylon, but I think that if Kamala Harris were the Antichrist, they would have to be allied with the AC until they rebel. I strongly believe that if America is the Beast Kingdom, the horns would be liberal or far-left Democrats, in my opinion. Just my thoughts.
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Post by venge on Nov 10, 2020 7:35:06 GMT -6
You had said, Lets assume that. If it were true, the 10 horns have to be in existence before her rise to power and the beast Kingdom as well. That being said, the 10 horns would also hate Babylon. So America would have to be the beast already, with her in power and it is possible Babylon would have to be destroyed before she comes to power since the 10 horns and the 4th Kingdom are the ones to destroy her, not the AC. I dont see that as past tense in our timeline. How do you see that? venge, You could be right about that. The way I see it is that the 10 horns (if the Beast Kingdom is America) are already here. I could see governors like Andrew Cuomo in New York, Gavin Newsom in California, and I would say my home state's governor Ralph Northam here in Virginia. I could also see a few mayors like Bill de Blasio in New York City, Lori Lightfoot in Chicago, and Eric Garcetti in Los Angeles. Another "horn," could be Pete Buttigeg in South Bend. I agree that they hate Babylon, but I think that if Kamala Harris were the Antichrist, they would have to be allied with the AC until they rebel. I strongly believe that if America is the Beast Kingdom, the horns would be liberal or far-left Democrats, in my opinion. Just my thoughts. Why wouldnt they be conservative? Sin and evil exist on both sides. Don't forget all the rotten things senators and rep's in the GOP and various Church Pastors/Reverends have done in the last 70 years and have been caught. Why would America be the beast? because you live in it and see its wickedness? Is it more wicked then India? Brazil? China? Pakistan? 10 senators or Governors is an incredibly small number to support a President tbh. Very minimal. Lets say that were true...so in the end after 3 are removed or humbled, you'd have 7 horns and the AC left. Lets assume the president and 6 states. Could 6 states and the president only in control over those 6 states really be the mighty 4th Kingdom on the earth? 6 outta 50 states? Thats the beast that once lived and the beast the world is terrified of? There is not enough military in 6 states to support its power. Can you devour the world and trample it down holding California, Michigan, New Jersey, Nevada, Georgia, and maybe Pennsylvania? I dont know about that. Id say no. More likely, in order to achieve that power, it is not any 1 nation, but the spirit of Babylon in many nations. Possibly 10 nations. A 10 nation confederacy could push the world if it had power. Remember, the horns give their power unto the 4th Kingdom. They are all in acceptance of a common goal and authorize it. Example: The Paris climate accords...many nations all agree on it and give their power to it and for it. Whatever this 4th Kingdom is, they all support it's ideas and finance it, agree on it, legislate over it. Something that massive that they all agree on - which is evil - gives them a lot of power. I think people wont recognize it when its here. It could be well disguised. The false prophet is really what I worry of. When a man stands out and says this is what we should love. Nationalism can be dangerous. It leads to worship. Even when nationalism is not just 1 nation, but the thought of a grouping of nations all with a similar mind set. Why would 10 horns want to remove Babylon that made everyone wealthy, allows trade all over the world, promotes jobs and 401ks...? Everyone benefits from her...so removing her would be unpopular wouldnt it? I mean, when she is destroyed people wail because of her destruction. Life feels hopeless right? So there must be a reason she is to be destroyed in order to bring what they think, is something better in (she's outdated and not working)...something more superior and fiscally responsive.
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ksteven
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Post by ksteven on Nov 10, 2020 11:08:37 GMT -6
I have a suspicion that the beast kingdom will unite over healthcare. It is the one thing that all nations currently are concerned with. It holds power over all individuals who fear for the safety of their flesh. There are already large organizations in place globally to unite governing bodies. It would bleed right into the beast system and the mark, assuming the mark is related to a vaccine. There are pushes for medical AI that can tell you how long you have to live, what conditions you are predispositioned towards, nano-technology for fighting cancer and even viruses. The medical field is the most funded tech field outside of military, and its set to be connected to social-credit style systems as well. People are being conditioned to treat health experts as demigods. "Universal-healthcare" is like a universal church. Everyone must be a member, or else they are a threat to the larger body, and like a virus, the body must expel threats (kill the saints). As far as the current election climate, America could easily be Babylon. We have ties with many nations around the world, have made many rich. We have whored ourselves out to nations for gain, and everyone gets something from us. BUT, we are also rather hated. We have meddled where we shouldn't have, and made enemies, even with those who treat us as allies. We are powerful for now, but we are divided, and breaking apart from the inside. ""And the angel said to me, “The waters that you saw, where the prostitute is seated, are peoples and multitudes and nations and languages. 16And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the prostitute. They will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire, 17for God has put it into their hearts to carry out his purpose by being of one mind and handing over their royal power to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. 18And the woman that you saw is the great city that has dominion over the kings of the earth.”We are a melting pot of a nation, with languages, cultures, peoples from all over the globe existing within our borders. And in that, we have welcomed all forms of idolatry, foreign gods.
If Trump does get back into office after all the investigations and court hearings flip the results (which is possible), the economy might grow, make us more desirable to the world again, but Trump will not follow the world religion of "Universal Healthcare", and the whole country will be seen as a threat to the global body of health worship. We will need to be eliminated as a threat, or we will destroy ourselves, and the world will wail. If Biden is the new Pres, I see our economy tanking. The government will bow to the call of the globalists, and we will become slaves to the Church of Healthcare as well. When we no longer have the financial leg up, the international strength we have had historically, or a strong united populous, then we will be an undesirable harlot. "“Babylon the great, mother of prostitutes and of earth’s abominations.” 6And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of the martyrs of Jesus." The US has done many a backdoor deal that ends up funding the very terrorist who martyr the saints we claim to be fighting for. The Democrats are pro-Islam (which is anti-Christian) at the core. Back to the beast kingdom though... The 10 horns unite under the Health front, a medical AI that has social, medical, geopolitical, habitual, and biometric data on all the peoples of the earth is then given "breath" (the image of the beast). It makes god-like judgements on all peoples within the system. To be linked to the image, one must have the mark (vaccine with tracking, and other crazy stuff). Even when an angel flies overhead and warns people not to take the mark, they are too fearful for their health and flesh, and still fall to worship the AI god of health. All those who dissent must be killed.. I will come back to this later. Must eat lunch
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Post by disciple4life on Nov 10, 2020 11:59:22 GMT -6
ksteven, Very good post, my friend. Although i don't think America is Babylon, I think you make a very strong point that the Covid issue/ death rates/ vaccines is something that most countries in the world have in common, even those who are deeply opposed on religious/ political/immigration/economic and every other issue. While America has countless examples of Godlessness, corruption, LGBT marriage, Abortion, etc, etc, no other country in the world is more a champion of Judeo-Christian values. America is still to many countries - the city on a hill, and despite its many flaws, and totally messed up election system - tens of millions of people from around the world are still trying to come here - more than any other country. It's still the world's leader - 2nd behind South Korea in terms of percentage of the population which are Christian. The world is looking for a vaccine, and through media hysteria/propaganda, the left has convinced the world that the Plannedemic is the greatest threat to humanity, so this false narrative is "the defining the need" - why all the world needs a vaccine/Global ID system, which tracks and traces you, and China is now saying that their digital currency will be in mainstream use by 2023 by the majority of Chinese citizens, and this is directly tied to the social behavior/credit scoring system. Climate change like i think venge mentioned is another huge candidate - which unifies countries from all ends of the spectrum - but climate change is not as closely linked to the false narrative of why we need to monitor, track/ trace and have everyone get a vaccine [Global enforcement and participation]- which is not the Mark, but sets all the pieces in place. Can't travel without it, can't buy or sell, and even won't be able to work in many industries. It's impossible to make the case that all countries are at immediate risk by Climate change, but with the Covid narrative, individuals are portrayed as being 'spreader/carriers' and thus a threat to society in general. Get everyone on board though fear and intimidation and punishment.
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Post by mike on Nov 10, 2020 13:56:00 GMT -6
Just a side bar comment - D4L said This portrayal is just that. Not everyone you see wearing a mask is sick or a carrier, in fact quite the opposite. I had corona and it was horrible! 6 weeks later I am just about clear of head congestion and other residual effects as experienced by a "cold" or "flu". My wife experienced the same issues. My sister-in-law has had it for about 6 days now. She is quite sick and not getting worse, but not improving. I dont mean to offend but there is no such thing as asymptomatic corona. This is not a short lived runny nose, or slight cough. The media claims this is a disease. Just like there other diseases there are always symptoms associated with the disease. Someone would never say "I have asymptomatic high blood pressure" or claim to be asymptomatic with any other disease. In the below a legitimate doctor will expound on this topic. Dont be deceived brothers & sisters - please continue with the regular discussion
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Post by matthew2423 on Nov 10, 2020 18:10:36 GMT -6
venge, You could be right about that. The way I see it is that the 10 horns (if the Beast Kingdom is America) are already here. I could see governors like Andrew Cuomo in New York, Gavin Newsom in California, and I would say my home state's governor Ralph Northam here in Virginia. I could also see a few mayors like Bill de Blasio in New York City, Lori Lightfoot in Chicago, and Eric Garcetti in Los Angeles. Another "horn," could be Pete Buttigeg in South Bend. I agree that they hate Babylon, but I think that if Kamala Harris were the Antichrist, they would have to be allied with the AC until they rebel. I strongly believe that if America is the Beast Kingdom, the horns would be liberal or far-left Democrats, in my opinion. Just my thoughts. Why wouldnt they be conservative? Sin and evil exist on both sides. Don't forget all the rotten things senators and rep's in the GOP and various Church Pastors/Reverends have done in the last 70 years and have been caught. Why would America be the beast? because you live in it and see its wickedness? Is it more wicked then India? Brazil? China? Pakistan? 10 senators or Governors is an incredibly small number to support a President tbh. Very minimal. Lets say that were true...so in the end after 3 are removed or humbled, you'd have 7 horns and the AC left. Lets assume the president and 6 states. Could 6 states and the president only in control over those 6 states really be the mighty 4th Kingdom on the earth? 6 outta 50 states? Thats the beast that once lived and the beast the world is terrified of? There is not enough military in 6 states to support its power. Can you devour the world and trample it down holding California, Michigan, New Jersey, Nevada, Georgia, and maybe Pennsylvania? I dont know about that. Id say no. More likely, in order to achieve that power, it is not any 1 nation, but the spirit of Babylon in many nations. Possibly 10 nations. A 10 nation confederacy could push the world if it had power. Remember, the horns give their power unto the 4th Kingdom. They are all in acceptance of a common goal and authorize it. Example: The Paris climate accords...many nations all agree on it and give their power to it and for it. Whatever this 4th Kingdom is, they all support it's ideas and finance it, agree on it, legislate over it. Something that massive that they all agree on - which is evil - gives them a lot of power. I think people wont recognize it when its here. It could be well disguised. The false prophet is really what I worry of. When a man stands out and says this is what we should love. Nationalism can be dangerous. It leads to worship. Even when nationalism is not just 1 nation, but the thought of a grouping of nations all with a similar mind set. Why would 10 horns want to remove Babylon that made everyone wealthy, allows trade all over the world, promotes jobs and 401ks...? Everyone benefits from her...so removing her would be unpopular wouldnt it? I mean, when she is destroyed people wail because of her destruction. Life feels hopeless right? So there must be a reason she is to be destroyed in order to bring what they think, is something better in (she's outdated and not working)...something more superior and fiscally responsive. venge, You are right on the Republican side of things. I'm a strong supporter of President Trump and I was disturbed when I saw that Joe Biden was declared the winner of the election. I'll amend my position on America being the Beast Kingdom to being one of the 10 nations in the 10-nation confederation, that as I believe it, revives the ancient Roman Empire. I think that America will be the leading nation in this confederation. I believe that the United Kingdom, France, Germany, and basically a few more nations that are currently a part of the European Union will be a part of this Roman 10-nation confederation. I think that since the United States is currently one of the most powerful nations on earth, the 10-nation confederation would need America's leadership within the confederation for it to succeed. I believe that if it is American led, based on your point about the climate being a unifying factor in the confederation, I think that the 10-nation confederation and eventually the world will unify around the American "Green New Deal," that is popular among far-left Democrats and socialists. I think that it wouldn't necessarily be enough for the 10-nation confederation to unify around the Paris Climate Agreement, but add the Green New Deal alongside the Paris Climate Agreement to govern the 10-nation confederation and the world.
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