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Post by disciple4life on Oct 26, 2020 13:58:40 GMT -6
mike , barbiosheepgirl , From what I understand. The blessing for Ishmael was to make him fruitful and a great nation but the covenant was for Isaac only. Now from today's point of view, the splitting of the land between Jew and Muslim is like Isaac handing over part of the covenant with Ishmael. This is not what GOD had intended. Are we on the same page or are we thinking something different? Yes, sir. I agree 100% joe . Of course i don't speak for barbiosheepgirl - but she makes a very good point that we need to carefully consider the differences [as well as the spiritual and prophetic implications] between "Promises", blessings" and covenants. For millennia, in both Arab/ Muslim and Hebrew culture - having many children has been understood as a "Blessing" and being barren is the ultimate curse. God promised that he would make the descendants of Ishmael a great/ large nation. The fact that the descendants of Ishmael now represent 1/5 of the world's population - is in deed a testament to that. But in the very same context - God also put a terrible prophecy on them- that is anything but a blessing. "They will be a wild-ass of a nation/ people, and will raise their hand against their brother." This prophecy was and is being fulfilled all over the world, as the Koran explicitly teaches and commands violence. If someone suggests Islam is violent, or says something insulting against Muhammed, - Muslims prove them wrong by blowing up buildings, and sending endless missiles into Israel. I don't know anything about the kingdoms aspect - but thought it very interesting that UAE is itself a conglomerate of 7 kingdoms or Sheikdoms. Hmmm Scripture clearly says that the everlasting covenant is with Israel. No everlasting covenants are made by God regarding land for the Ishmaelites- Arabs. An interesting thing is that in the original Hebrew, the words " for ever" - regarding God's covenant , are identical in meaning to the same words in the NT Greek, "Foros" and "Everos", and literally mean "FOR EVER".   |
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Post by Joe on Oct 27, 2020 12:39:46 GMT -6
The Joseph parallel...
Joseph was sold into slavery just like Israel was enslaved by the world since 70 AD. Joseph rises into power just like Israel became a nation in 1948. Joseph had jealous brothers who sold him into slavery just like the Muslims (seed of Abraham) became jealous of Israel rise back into power. Although jealousy has always been there since Abraham's time. The jealous brothers were united with Joseph just like the Muslims signing the Abraham Accords with Israel. Joseph had a 14 year prophecy/vision just like Rabbi Kaduri had a vision of the Messiah that looks like it unfolds over a 14 year period. Kaduri created a encrypted note that couldn't be opened until a year after his death. Kaduri's note was opened in January of 2007. Sharon passed away January of 2014. Kaduri said the Messiah couldn't come until after Sharon died. 2021 is the next 7 year marker and will also be one year after the announcement of the Abraham Accords/peace agreement. Just like Kaduri's one year delay of opening the encrypted message. The Pharaoh of Egypt highly regarded Joseph and treated him as his equal. The most high is about to be revealed for the believer and the anti-Christ for the non-believer.
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Post by Joe on Oct 27, 2020 13:06:58 GMT -6
Continued...
Joseph snatched back (rapture) his brothers, revealed himself to them, and saved them from the ill fate of the current world. As will Jesus snatch brothers and sisters in Christ and save them from the ill fate that comes upon the world. Joseph was sitting on a throne when he was revealed and so will we see our Lord and Savior sitting on His throne.
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Post by Joe on Oct 27, 2020 13:32:27 GMT -6
Oh my! The mind is flowing today.
The seven heads are the seven hills in Israel. One of them has a deadly would because it's missing the temple. It will be rebuilt and healed. The ten kings of one mind (same religion and thinking) are the ten Muslim kings/nations who sign the Abraham Accord. They will rule with the beast for one hour. This has to be it but I can not guarantee it. I'm not a prophet. Just a thinker and believer in Jesus Christ.
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Post by Joe on Oct 27, 2020 14:56:46 GMT -6
I know no one has responded yet but I have one more thought. The "little horn".
If the ten horns are Muslim kings/nations. The little horn (anti-Christ) that plucks three of the first horns may in fact be Muslim as well. This little horn must come in disagreement with three of the nations and some how rises into power. A young protester of sorts who forms an army. He also persecutes the saints which could either mean the Jews and/or those who believe in Jesus Christ. I think this may be why the Jews finally call out Jesus name for help. So while the beast of seven heads may take place in Israel, this is the time the Muslims feel like this is their chance to take over the nation. They creeped their way in via the Abraham Accords and then start a revolution to conquer.
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Post by yardstick on Oct 27, 2020 22:16:04 GMT -6
Oh my! The mind is flowing today. The seven heads are the seven hills in Israel. One of them has a deadly would because it's missing the temple. It will be rebuilt and healed. The ten kings of one mind (same religion and thinking) are the ten Muslim kings/nations who sign the Abraham Accord. They will rule with the beast for one hour. This has to be it but I can not guarantee it. I'm not a prophet. Just a thinker and believer in Jesus Christ. interesting hypothesis. |
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Post by venge on Oct 28, 2020 7:18:11 GMT -6
Oh my! The mind is flowing today. The seven heads are the seven hills in Israel. One of them has a deadly would because it's missing the temple. It will be rebuilt and healed. The ten kings of one mind (same religion and thinking) are the ten Muslim kings/nations who sign the Abraham Accord. They will rule with the beast for one hour. This has to be it but I can not guarantee it. I'm not a prophet. Just a thinker and believer in Jesus Christ. Ok, no one responded. I didnt want to be the one. Notice the head is the capitol city and each city is ruled by a man. Not only that, each head is a Kingdom. Syria was the Kingdom, its Capitol was Damascus and its ruler or the one in authority was Rezin. In the following verses (4-6), it details Babylon, Media-Persian and Grecian Kingdoms. In verse 23, it explains the 4rth beast of the sea: Each head is Kingdom and it is ruled by a King. Daniel is told: The men in authority rise from the earth, the Kingdoms rise from the sea. Each is part of the head - so when the heads who once had crowns lose their crowns, their power was removed. The 7 heads are 7 mountains, most likely not hills. The word is "Oros" and I will link it here: biblehub.com/greek/3735.htmA mountain was used many times in scripture as a Kingdom. Example below: This ref. was to Babylon. Why is it a mountain? Because Kingdoms like this were impossible to move. They were superior and strong. Difficult to scale...very much like real mountains. Remember, John was in the spirit. Prophecy has real literal facts based in imagery. |
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Post by Joe on Oct 28, 2020 10:38:10 GMT -6
I've been doing more research and everything still fits except the ten kings. The heads are the seven hills and one of them is wounded without the temple. I assumed the ten kings would be Muslims but I believe I'm wrong here and I'll explain that in a second. My thoughts that the Jews wouldn't be the one who blaspheme GOD but actually they do everytime they deny Jesus. In the talmud they even go as far as claiming Jesus was nothing but a prophet with unnatural powers of Satan. There's even stranger stuff in there and I'm not going there right now. As for the Abraham Accord, I'm beginning to think the rider of the white horse has mounted. He conquers with a bow but no mention of arrows. I'm guessing he does this conquering without warfare. Israel is doing exactly this with the Muslims by the Abraham Accords. Israel is whoring itself out and dividing the land without warfare. From the Talmud it looks like they will continue to conquer and are doing so now by owning most of the media we see and read today. Anyways, GOD is not happy with Israel and this is why Jesus said to the Rabbi's, their Father is Satan. The Jews missed the Messiah then and most of them are missing it now too and going as far a blaspheming His name. The ten kings may come after the Abraham Accords are completed and I'm thinking may all be Jews. Here's a couple of things to check but I would advise you to check out the Talmud a bit for a study. That's what I'm doing now. This is all about Israel.
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Post by Joe on Oct 28, 2020 11:25:44 GMT -6
I would like to point out. My above post is not anti-Jewish. We are to bless Israel and it looks like we should be praying for those who are blind to see the truth. Creating a man made covenant and reading from the Talmud instead of the Bible/Torah is keeping them blind. I bet the Lord rejoices when a Jew does see the truth. It may be a lot harder for them than us gentiles. They are raised that way just like the Muslim are, in their own way.
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Post by mike on Oct 28, 2020 12:14:48 GMT -6
I would like to point out. My above post is not anti-Jewish. We are to bless Israel and it looks like we should be praying for those who are blind to see the truth. Creating a man made covenant and reading from the Talmud instead of the Bible/Torah is keeping them blind. I bet the Lord rejoices when a Jew does see the truth. It may be a lot harder for them than us gentiles. They are raised that way just like the Muslim are, in their own way. Just a thought on this Joe - If the Jew truly worshipped YHWH, they would not be in the blindness that they are today. When you ask a practicing Jew about the bible, nearly all of them Ive ever talked to dont, they read the Talmud and Mishna. Their view is based in their religion of Judaism, not the God of the bible. As the Muslims, dont worship the false god Allah, but the Koran |
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Post by socalexile on Oct 28, 2020 12:47:47 GMT -6
Shower thoughts that relate to Trump and this election, given that the Great Sign happened when it did:
What if the Great Red Dragon is symbolized by China, whose symbol is the red dragon? Is there a war among the superpowers, aka a War in Heaven between the US & China? That has or will cause China to cease being a major power and now seeks to devour? If Biden wins, given that we now know he's owned by China, does it mean that those who oppose the Dragon are in the wilderness and will be persued by the Dragon, i.e. retaliation and repression?
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Post by socalexile on Oct 28, 2020 13:52:37 GMT -6
Just to clarify, I'm not necessarily talking about a literal shooting war between the US and China, though that isn't out of the realm of possibility if China Joe loses, either.
One of the things people with an understanding of Chinese culture were saying at the start of Covid in China, is that historically the end of a dynasty is marked by a major disaster, marking their loss of their mandate from Heaven.
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Post by Joe on Oct 28, 2020 15:01:17 GMT -6
mike , That is a true shame. Maybe another prayer for the Jews to start reading the Word again. People have came up with different theories for the "falling away" but there may be more reasoning to this than we know. socalexile , Here's how I see it. Trump will win in order for the Abraham Accord to completely go through. The Democrats will go nuts and possibly fulfill prophecy of the days being like Noah's time. What we've seen this year has been nuts. Just think what they may come up with if they get another 4 years of Trump. I think the war in Heaven is the Lord's angels fighting against Satan before he is cast down to Earth. Remember that the Word says, woe woe to the Earth as Satan has been cast down unto you. <- Not a word for word quote but close.
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 28, 2020 17:50:07 GMT -6
mike , That is a true shame. Maybe another prayer for the Jews to start reading the Word again. People have came up with different theories for the "falling away" but there may be more reasoning to this than we know. socalexile , Here's how I see it. Trump will win in order for the Abraham Accord to completely go through. The Democrats will go nuts and possibly fulfill prophecy of the days being like Noah's time. What we've seen this year has been nuts. Just think what they may come up with if they get another 4 years of Trump. I think the war in Heaven is the Lord's angels fighting against Satan before he is cast down to Earth. Remember that the Word says, woe woe to the Earth as Satan has been cast down unto you. <- Not a word for word quote but close. Hey joe, I'm not challenging you- believe me, I'm praying he wins - for the sake of religious freedom, and the unborn, and for the sake of 2nd Ammendment rights, and freedom of speech- etc. We know that Biden is pro-Iran, and we also know that he met with Muslim Lawyers Association and publicly promised to put Muslims into every level of government if he ie elected. [Including the Supreme Court] That should terrify every American. We know that Iran is the world's leading sponsor of Terrorism and openly calls for the total destruction of Israel and the Jewish people. Can't love God and hate his people. But here's where i need my fellow sheepdog/ watchmen peeps. From all that i understand - the reason so many countries are signing on now - is that if Biden cheats with the ballots and somehow wins, (with Trump's enthusiam factor beating him by like 40x) these leaders know that Biden will reverse the sanctions on Iran - which they all hate. They also know that there would be zero chance of Biden supporting these agreements. I'm not sure of the precise details, but Trump plays a ginormous role - so significant that the leaders of these countries haven't done anything like this in more than 25 years. For them, the risk is huge - literally their entire countries and culture are at stake, because if Iran gets nukes, then it would use it against Saudi and UAE. I think the Abraham Accords would camp out in Biden's head and not even pay rent - but he couldn't just make an executive order and undo it, because this is a multi-national treaty - between Israel and UAE, or Israel and Bahrain, and Israel and Sudan, and even if a US president doesn't like it - he can't just unilaterally scrap it. |
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Post by Joe on Oct 28, 2020 20:38:13 GMT -6
disciple4life , I agree that a President like Biden couldn't just scrap it or undo it all but... Trump and Kushner are behind all this and I believe the reason it is going through is because how the leaders view Trump. They saw Trump moving forward and starting to bring business back to the USA and they saw an opportunity to work with a man who might do good for the middle east as well. Trump may have his issues but he does keep moving forward and gets things done. Most of our Presidents always say they are going to do something and not much develops beyond that. So if Trump lost his seat, other leaders may think that this is not going to work now. That changes the variables of everything if Biden were to win. As Americans, we may not see it as others do but many other countries look at us and see what we are doing. USA has been a dream for many because we have more freedom and opportunity. And that's exactly why some want to destroy us. Those who love control and maybe even jealous.
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