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Post by Joe on Oct 24, 2020 15:55:59 GMT -6
Ok brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ, bare with me...
Today I'm watching a video about the Abraham Accords and it occurred to me that the Abraham Accords could be the beast with seven heads and ten horns. All these nations signing a (false) peace deal. One of the heads had a head wound. One of the kingdoms was, is not, and is to come and even be the eighth kingdom. Israel lost its kingdom in 70 AD or one could say it was lost the day Jesus was crucified. Now when this peace deal goes through, Israel will rebuild its temple and be healed. Then when Jesus returns, it will also be the eighth kingdom for 1000 years. They even make image and make it speak. Is this the Ark of the Covenant remade and given a voice by not GOD/Lord but by Satan? If this is it, Trump is already declared to win and make this peace deal go through. Or at least help it go through. This is all theory and I do not claim to be a prophet. What are you thoughts?
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Post by mike on Oct 24, 2020 16:27:57 GMT -6
Interesting... Can you account for the kingdoms?
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Post by Joe on Oct 24, 2020 16:57:17 GMT -6
mike, I will have to think it through but I'm wondering if these kingdoms are all Jewish (Israel) and Muslims kingdoms. They both do come from Abraham, although it was the Jewish lineage that the Lord GOD wanted. Ishmael was an error on Abraham's behalf. Once again, man doing what he thought GOD wanted but it was not. Anyways, when the Jews accept this covenant by man, they take away from the Lord's covenant. This may be why sudden destruction comes when they except this peace deal and why for a short time they accept a false messiah. I will have to research more of the Muslim kingdoms and see how many there were and are now.
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Post by mike on Oct 24, 2020 17:25:28 GMT -6
You may be onto something. At least it could lead to an interesting conversation joe. I think barbiosheepgirl might have some to contribute on this because I see Muslim connected to Ishmael connected to Esau connected to the Edomites connected to the Israelites. These all intermingled and the Edomites were considered by most to be "Hebrews".
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Post by Joe on Oct 24, 2020 21:26:36 GMT -6
mike, Yeah, I would like to hear more feedback from others as well. To me it seems like it all ties together. I've heard a lot of theories over the last three decades. Most seem to similar but it wasn't until this new Abraham Accord that this idea came to mind. I've been pondering on it for a bit. Abraham is where the Jewish and Muslim starts and splits and now we are at a point we they are being united by this peace agreement/covenant but not by GOD's covenant. One could imagine what the world would think seeing this go through and Israel finally building a third temple. Now's a time for prayer that not only for the Jews but all nations to not fall for this false messiah or image that speaks.
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Post by mike on Oct 25, 2020 6:52:12 GMT -6
Gen 16:10 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude. 11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. 12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
21:12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called. 13 And also of the son of the bondwoman will I make a nation, because he is thy seed.
28:8 And Esau seeing that the daughters of Canaan pleased not Isaac his father; 9 Then went Esau unto Ishmael, and took unto the wives which he had Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael Abraham's son, the sister of Nebajoth, to be his wife.
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Post by Joe on Oct 25, 2020 7:32:19 GMT -6
mike, I was wrong then. Ishmael was planned. I've even read that verse before too. So many verses to remember. Thanks Mike!
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Post by mike on Oct 25, 2020 8:46:20 GMT -6
Wasnt trying to show you "wrong". I actually thought to post those as a reference 😂
I think there is more to this though. Who are Ishamels brethren?
Gen 13:8 And Abram said unto Lot, Let there be no strife, I pray thee, between me and thee, and between my herdmen and thy herdmen; for we be brethren.
Gen 11:27 Now these are the generations of Terah: Terah begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran; and Haran begat Lot. 28 And Haran died before his father Terah in the land of his nativity, in Ur of the Chaldees... 31 And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there. 32 And the days of Terah were two hundred and five years: and Terah died in Haran.
What I am seeing here that I find interesting is how closely they lived as families. Lot is Abrahams nephew, not his brother. It also seems that Terah raised them raised them as brothers, family. We dont see this in our culture. Having been raised that way, I can see why Abraham was upset when Sarah wanted Hagar gone along with Ishmael. Gen 25 goes on to talk about Ishmael and his offspring. Nothing is recorded without reason. Its likely Ishmael's family was tight knit too, I get that impression from that portion in 25. I also think there was some disfunction there, having been cast off and having a wild nature could have made for some tenuous family dinners. They were still family.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Oct 25, 2020 9:24:51 GMT -6
I agree with you on this thought.
I have a few questions when it comes to "blessings" verses "promises" verses "covenants." Ishmael, being a son of a bondwoman, also received blessings. We also have the Jacob/Esau blessing situation. The spiritual depiction behind these twins is so deep it can cloud a thread pretty easy. We know Esau sold his birthright out of weakness of his flesh..
29When Jacob had cooked stew, Esau came in from the field and he was famished; 30and Esau said to Jacob, “Please let me have a swallow of that red stuff there, for I am famished.” Therefore his name was called Edom. 31But Jacob said, “First sell me your birthright.” 32Esau said, “Behold, I am about to die; so of what use then is the birthright to me?” 33And Jacob said, “First swear to me”; so he swore to him, and sold his birthright to Jacob. 34Then Jacob gave Esau bread and lentil stew; and he ate and drank, and rose and went on his way. Thus Esau despised his birthright.
We then have Gen 27 account of Jacob deceiving his father for the blessing, and Esau losing out on the blessing. Yet Isaac is the son of the Promise... we can't forget that.
Fast forward to today. We can argue all day long on genetics. Though I would suggest people to look up the history of whom came back to the land that is called Israel of today. There is a connection to Edom (esau). To me THIS is what we are looking at in time, the blessings to Esau AND, because of the connection mike referenced, the covenant of the bondwoman.
Spiritual Israel has been established via the Cross... 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the bondwoman and one by the free woman. 23But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise. 24This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar. 25Now this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother.
yet we still have the promises going WAAAAY back to the bondwoman, that not many seem to talk about. Abram via the motion proposed by his woman Sarai, had "thought" to take a fertile woman (Hagar) since time kept going by (10 years even) They got impatient and did not wait on God. (Gen 16)
But we know God spoke 18And Abraham said to God, “Oh that Ishmael might live before You!” 19But God said, “No, but Sarah your wife will bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; and I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. 20“As for Ishmael, I have heard you (re: Ishmael); behold, I will bless him, and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall become the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation. 21“But My covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you at this season next year.”
We know now that this "everlasting" covenant is that of our Jesus. Luke/Matt account of geneology..
Isaac indeed had a blessing to his "firstborn" though stolen thru deception (Jacob pretending to be/replacing Esau. this make me go hmmmm)... 39Then Isaac his father answered and said to him,
“Behold, away from the fertility of the earth shall be your dwelling,
And away from the dew of heaven from above.
40“By your sword you shall live,
And your brother you shall serve;
But it shall come about when you become restless,
That you will break his yoke from your neck.”
Though we know that once Jacob wrestles with the Lord (Gen 32), given his new name 'Israel', and he repents towards his brother (Gen 33). Did we see a blessing here resolved? Isaac's heart was for Esau, even though Jacob stood there hearing it, it was meant for the other..
Anyway, I see today's Israel as a covenant with the bondwoman being played out/and the intended birthright/recovered blessing to Esau. I say this because there is this NEW covenant that happened nearly 2000 years ago, that did not come thru Ishmael. God will honor BOTH these covenants to Abraham, and I believe we are seeing the Ishmael blessing and the Isaac-given blessing meant for Esau coming to fruition. “See, the smell of my son
Is like the smell of a field which the LORD has blessed;
28Now may God give you of the dew of heaven,
And of the fatness of the earth,
And an abundance of grain and new wine;
29May peoples serve you,
And nations bow down to you;
Be master of your brothers,
And may your mother’s sons bow down to you.
Cursed be those who curse you,
And blessed be those who bless you.”
no one needs to agree with me, but this perspective is how I am viewing things these days. We know there is only one way to the Kingdom, that is by Faith, In Christ. This is what God meant by "everlasting"... Eternal. This is the Covenant via Isaac...
1John 2 25This is the promise which He Himself made to us: eternal life.
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Post by Joe on Oct 25, 2020 17:46:06 GMT -6
barbiosheepgirl, mike, No worries Mike. I just noticed my mistake. As for Ishmael. It is interesting that Ishmael had twelve of his own, twelve princes. I will have to read more about them. I know that people compare the four horseman colors with the Muslim flag but even more interesting, Ishmael became an archer. The first rider carries a bow and since Ishmael was also promised a great nation, he must of been conquering. I just wonder what the ties, if any, this could be with the first rider. And while Ishmael was promised this great nation, it was Isaac that would be the seed of the covenant. Anyway, I have some more study before I go to much further into this.
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Post by Joe on Oct 26, 2020 9:55:02 GMT -6
Ok, this is what confuses me. There are so many parallels in Biblical history, it makes it hard to know if what I'm reading is parallel or not.
So, five kings have fallen, one is, and one is to come. Are these "kings" dynasties or actual kings? Were there five dynasties before Christ and one during? Then a fatal wound and one dynasty to come? Because so far, Israel has had nine Presidents. I say this because there are ten kings. The Bible states that they have one mind and rule for an hour with the beast. But if a thousands years is like a day to the Lord, is 1948 to now like an hour and there is one more President to come?
I don't mean to come off anti-Jewish by any means. So I hope no one thinks that is where I'm heading with this but I really think all this has to do with Israel and possibly Muslim nations. If this "peace agreement" creates a united power deal, maybe all political power is given to the middle east. And the beast that was, is not, and is of the eighth, and is of the seven (heads/kings), makes me think of dynasty and not empires as most preachers teach.
If anyone has more feedback on this, that would be great.
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Post by mike on Oct 26, 2020 10:51:26 GMT -6
When I view events happening through scripture I can possibly apply this situation. I also noticed today that 3 'kings' have made a covenant of sorts with Israel. According to a recent news clip (cant recall where) there are 4-5 more. Could these be 7 kings? My approach on all of this is to start out with "I'm probably wrong" but I hold the possibilities open until they are no longer possibilities. Right now I feel like I'm the guy in the circus spinning plates on sticks, waiting for plates to fall
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Post by Joe on Oct 26, 2020 11:34:25 GMT -6
mike, Sounds like we are on the same page. While it doesn't have anything to do with our salvation or looking/waiting for Jesus Christ, it is interesting trying to solve these things. If anything, it does bring us back to scripture for a study. Back to the point of the kings signing with Israel. These could be the kings that the Bible talks about for one hour. It does seem to line up but like we all know, if things change, it could mean back to the drawing board. At this point though, this fits the puzzle pretty good. Breaking GOD's original Abraham covenant and creating a man made Abraham covenant could be the final straw to judgement. Again, it's one of those parallels that you find in the Bible. I believe Trump will be elected again in order to help this Abraham Accord go through as Biden would quickly end it. And while I can rule out Trump as a possible anti-Christ now, it doesn't mean GOD is not using him to set this up. I wish Israel would keep to their covenant and not divide the land and so forth but who am I. I'm a sinner as well and have made many mistakes. Maybe this is what is needed in order for the Jews to finally call out the name of Jesus Christ in times of trouble when this goes bad. I do have another theory and I can not remember if I already posted here or not. As we know, Rabbi Kaduri wrote an encrypted letter identifying the Messiah. What is interesting is that this letter was not to be opened until a year after his death. Which was January of 2007. He (Kaduri) stated that the Messiah wouldn't come until after Sharon's death. Which was January 2014. So what might happen in January of 2021? With all these things happening, was GOD using Kaduri to point us to an approximate time frame? As you can see, this time frame is moving by seven years and it all may have started by a delay of opening the encrypted letter. 2021 moves us into a 73 year time frame since Israel has become a nation. That only leaves a 7 year time frame for a "strong generation" of 80 years. We have to be close now. At least I hope.
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Post by mike on Oct 26, 2020 11:54:33 GMT -6
Joe there are few other things I consider in all this but they are not provable at this point and I tend to not insert them as to not convolute certain discussions with things I cannot fully type on the page in a few sentences. But I pulled BSG into this discussion as in (a separate) conversation we touched on the covenant with Ishmael and that of Esau (noted above). These may factor into the equation as could other possible aspects of the last days. I strongly consider the timing of the Great Sign, others dismiss it fully. Did it mean something, I think it did but I'm open to being wrong. If any of that meant anything we could be in for some surprises come March/April.
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Post by Joe on Oct 26, 2020 13:42:28 GMT -6
mike, barbiosheepgirl, From what I understand. The blessing for Ishmael was to make him fruitful and a great nation but the covenant was for Isaac only. Now from today's point of view, the splitting of the land between Jew and Muslim is like Isaac handing over part of the covenant with Ishmael. This is not what GOD had intended. Are we on the same page or are we thinking something different?
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