Asteroids, Israel War, September rapture
Jul 26, 2020 8:39:26 GMT -6
Gary, BrazenLaver, and 2 more like this
Post by disciple4life on Jul 26, 2020 8:39:26 GMT -6
Hello, fellow watchmen.
Wow - Just not sure how to start - This video has something for everyone.
Dragons, asteroids, aliens, asteroids, timeline of Revelation, 3rd temple, Pestilence, Harpazo, Revelation 12 sign, OH MY.
boraddict , mike , sog , fitz , Beloved , @gary, Natalie , @reepicheep , venge , BrazenLaver , Beloved , barbiosheepgirl , yardstick , boymaker , inaweofhim , nana , I know there's scores of watchmen on here, and i've interacted with so many, - can't remember you all by your avatar.
This is a video by author, and end times teacher Brenda Weltner. I don't know much about her. I'm not endorsing her, nor am I declaring her a false teacher or saying her ministry is not valid.
If for some reason - the link doesn't load - Go to Youtube. and Type in Asteroids, Israel, War, September, Rapture. The specific clip is 36:58 minutes. 36 min, 58 seconds.
She makes a lot of very interesting points about tons of the topics - entire threads on here.
- Chronology of Revelation
- Feasts -
- Signs in the Heavens
- Dreams and visions -
- "I Pet Goat" video clip and it's symbolism -
- Seals,
- 3rd Temple
- Mid tribulation rapture
-Revelation 12 sign and it's implications
-Angels as fallen angels, manifesting as aliens.
She also has a free PDF download, which outlines the timeline, and her reasons why she has come to this conclusion.
*She also has a book that is free. and it doesn't come off in any way as promoting her book. She talks more about the free PFD download.
She also mentions that in the PDF, she address most of the objections.
The Point of this entire thread is to get thoughts- encourage us to be like bereans - It's not to discredit her or anyone.
Do you agree - or disagree. What specific points and why.
I agree with many of her points and her study.
Here's my top 4 things i think she is right on.
1. I agree that this is the year because of all the converging signs,
2. I agree that the rapture is a known day- No random, surprise, any-moment event,
3. I agree that it's on a Feast day, and
4. I agree that the Revelation 12 sign was and is a huge part of the puzzle, and that signs are seeable/visable. Point us to something ahead. Cracker Barrel - 7 miles, EXIT 380 on I-40 East. ;-)
There are three Key minute marks in the video-
3:20 she explicitly links the entire study and timeline as well as the start of the Tribulation to the Revelation 12 sign.
23:00 She correctly states the Revelation 12 sign was Sept 23, and in the next sentence, incorrectly links it to Rosh Hoshanah /Feast of Trumpets 2017.
***This is something that many many end-times speakers and watchmen have done out of desperately wanting it to be linked - to give it more "Wow Factor". Thanksgiving is always and only the 4th Thursday of every November. Not the Friday, - not a Wednesday, not One day off.
American Independence Day is always and only July 4th, Sometimes a Monday, sometimes a Saturday, but never on July 2nd. July 5th, or July 3rd is not American Independence day.
34:45 - She "quadruples-down" -She explicitly states that she not only is setting the date for the rapture, but for everything in the entire book of Revelation, [Except for the "3rd rapture" ] which she claims that some angel knows, but not Jesus.
hmmmm. She also states that she does not have any alternate timeline - that there are no other options, and if we don't see a war w Israel by the Begin of Sept, - then "we should take all her study and throw it in the trash." She explicitly links the entire timeline of events - and all her conclusions to the Rev 12 sign, which she says was the start of the Tribulation, and inseparably links it to the Revel 12 sign.
This is the first and biggest mistake - and it's so troubling because it's something anyone can check and verify with multiple sources in 5 minutes on a smart phone.
Rosh Hoshanah/ FOT was Wednesday, September 20 - Friday evening, September 22 in 2017.
Feast of trumpets/ Rosh Hoshanah is always set by the New Crescent Moon, and it starts the entire Jewish Civil calendar. **Sometimes it is cloudy or overcast and thus the New Moon could not be seen by two witnesses in Jerusalem, so it is a two day feast, and is understood by Jews everywhere as "The Feast that No One Knows the Day or Hour."
When two witnesses were questioned by the Sanhedrin independently, they would officially proclaim the New Year - which determines all the "Shabbats" all the Sabbaths for the entire year - Day of Atonement, Passover and the weekly sabbaths - and they blew 99 blasts on the Shofar - alternating short staccato blasts and long solid blasts.
Then, there is the 100th blast - the "Last Trumpet" which is held out as loud and as long as the trumpeter can blow.
Top 4 Points which i disagree on - I think she is mistaken here.
1. Her entire timeline and PDF study and understanding of how everything will play out with exact dates - is all based on a false/ incorrect link of Revelation 12 sign.
***I'm not disputing the Rev 12 sign or it's significance in end times- simply stating that what ever it means - it WAS NOT on Feast of Trumpets. I checked multiple Jewish and non-Jewish websites. Myjewishlearning.com, Hebcal.com , When-is.com , Newsweek.com USAtoday.com , Wikipedia.com, and Science.com, just to name 7 that all agree.
2. She says the rapture happens at Day of Atonement. - The Day of Atonement is never linked w the rapture in scripture, nor do any of the clues given by Paul, Christ or John fit with Day of Atonement. Day of Atonement the door of Heaven is closed. Feast of Trumpets the Door of heaven is Opened. This Matches Rev. 4. Besides this mistake, this would put the fulfillment of the feasts out of order. - The First four have been fulfilled, and the next in order is Rosh Hoshanah/Feast of Trumpets.
3. She gives very specific dates for earthquakes, rapture and other things, including the date of Oct 31 - Reformation Day and says that on this OCT 31, 2020 The Pit of Hell will be opened.
***No basis whatsoever for this anywhere in scripture. She explains that it is exactly 150 days before Feast of Pentecost. But she doesn't even give any explanation as to why or how this is supported in scripture.
4. The Tribulation has not started yet. As Barry Scarborough says, "If it had, or when it does, you will know it".
I want to repeat the words of Pastor and end times teach Steve Chicciolanti - Just because some teacher doesn't get every tiny detail right, doesn't mean or make him or her a false prophet. We are standing on the shoulders of many Bible scholars and watchmen who have come before us. We should glean all the truth we can everywhere we can."
I will be downloading the free book, so i can learn and glean all i can, and understand more about end times.
The book is free. A Kingdom of Priests: The Stories of Revelation ebooks and PDF: www.smashwords.com/books/view/1033579
I would be so very very thrilled beyond words if she were right, and the tribulation did in fact begin on Sept 2017, - it would mean that we are that much closer.
Disciple4life
Wow - Just not sure how to start - This video has something for everyone.
Dragons, asteroids, aliens, asteroids, timeline of Revelation, 3rd temple, Pestilence, Harpazo, Revelation 12 sign, OH MY.
boraddict , mike , sog , fitz , Beloved , @gary, Natalie , @reepicheep , venge , BrazenLaver , Beloved , barbiosheepgirl , yardstick , boymaker , inaweofhim , nana , I know there's scores of watchmen on here, and i've interacted with so many, - can't remember you all by your avatar.
This is a video by author, and end times teacher Brenda Weltner. I don't know much about her. I'm not endorsing her, nor am I declaring her a false teacher or saying her ministry is not valid.
If for some reason - the link doesn't load - Go to Youtube. and Type in Asteroids, Israel, War, September, Rapture. The specific clip is 36:58 minutes. 36 min, 58 seconds.
She makes a lot of very interesting points about tons of the topics - entire threads on here.
- Chronology of Revelation
- Feasts -
- Signs in the Heavens
- Dreams and visions -
- "I Pet Goat" video clip and it's symbolism -
- Seals,
- 3rd Temple
- Mid tribulation rapture
-Revelation 12 sign and it's implications
-Angels as fallen angels, manifesting as aliens.
She also has a free PDF download, which outlines the timeline, and her reasons why she has come to this conclusion.
*She also has a book that is free. and it doesn't come off in any way as promoting her book. She talks more about the free PFD download.
She also mentions that in the PDF, she address most of the objections.
The Point of this entire thread is to get thoughts- encourage us to be like bereans - It's not to discredit her or anyone.
Do you agree - or disagree. What specific points and why.
I agree with many of her points and her study.
Here's my top 4 things i think she is right on.
1. I agree that this is the year because of all the converging signs,
2. I agree that the rapture is a known day- No random, surprise, any-moment event,
3. I agree that it's on a Feast day, and
4. I agree that the Revelation 12 sign was and is a huge part of the puzzle, and that signs are seeable/visable. Point us to something ahead. Cracker Barrel - 7 miles, EXIT 380 on I-40 East. ;-)
There are three Key minute marks in the video-
3:20 she explicitly links the entire study and timeline as well as the start of the Tribulation to the Revelation 12 sign.
23:00 She correctly states the Revelation 12 sign was Sept 23, and in the next sentence, incorrectly links it to Rosh Hoshanah /Feast of Trumpets 2017.
***This is something that many many end-times speakers and watchmen have done out of desperately wanting it to be linked - to give it more "Wow Factor". Thanksgiving is always and only the 4th Thursday of every November. Not the Friday, - not a Wednesday, not One day off.
American Independence Day is always and only July 4th, Sometimes a Monday, sometimes a Saturday, but never on July 2nd. July 5th, or July 3rd is not American Independence day.
34:45 - She "quadruples-down" -She explicitly states that she not only is setting the date for the rapture, but for everything in the entire book of Revelation, [Except for the "3rd rapture" ] which she claims that some angel knows, but not Jesus.
hmmmm. She also states that she does not have any alternate timeline - that there are no other options, and if we don't see a war w Israel by the Begin of Sept, - then "we should take all her study and throw it in the trash." She explicitly links the entire timeline of events - and all her conclusions to the Rev 12 sign, which she says was the start of the Tribulation, and inseparably links it to the Revel 12 sign. This is the first and biggest mistake - and it's so troubling because it's something anyone can check and verify with multiple sources in 5 minutes on a smart phone.
Rosh Hoshanah/ FOT was Wednesday, September 20 - Friday evening, September 22 in 2017.
Feast of trumpets/ Rosh Hoshanah is always set by the New Crescent Moon, and it starts the entire Jewish Civil calendar. **Sometimes it is cloudy or overcast and thus the New Moon could not be seen by two witnesses in Jerusalem, so it is a two day feast, and is understood by Jews everywhere as "The Feast that No One Knows the Day or Hour."
When two witnesses were questioned by the Sanhedrin independently, they would officially proclaim the New Year - which determines all the "Shabbats" all the Sabbaths for the entire year - Day of Atonement, Passover and the weekly sabbaths - and they blew 99 blasts on the Shofar - alternating short staccato blasts and long solid blasts.
Then, there is the 100th blast - the "Last Trumpet" which is held out as loud and as long as the trumpeter can blow.
Top 4 Points which i disagree on - I think she is mistaken here.
1. Her entire timeline and PDF study and understanding of how everything will play out with exact dates - is all based on a false/ incorrect link of Revelation 12 sign.
***I'm not disputing the Rev 12 sign or it's significance in end times- simply stating that what ever it means - it WAS NOT on Feast of Trumpets. I checked multiple Jewish and non-Jewish websites. Myjewishlearning.com, Hebcal.com , When-is.com , Newsweek.com USAtoday.com , Wikipedia.com, and Science.com, just to name 7 that all agree.
2. She says the rapture happens at Day of Atonement. - The Day of Atonement is never linked w the rapture in scripture, nor do any of the clues given by Paul, Christ or John fit with Day of Atonement. Day of Atonement the door of Heaven is closed. Feast of Trumpets the Door of heaven is Opened. This Matches Rev. 4. Besides this mistake, this would put the fulfillment of the feasts out of order. - The First four have been fulfilled, and the next in order is Rosh Hoshanah/Feast of Trumpets.
3. She gives very specific dates for earthquakes, rapture and other things, including the date of Oct 31 - Reformation Day and says that on this OCT 31, 2020 The Pit of Hell will be opened.
***No basis whatsoever for this anywhere in scripture. She explains that it is exactly 150 days before Feast of Pentecost. But she doesn't even give any explanation as to why or how this is supported in scripture.
4. The Tribulation has not started yet. As Barry Scarborough says, "If it had, or when it does, you will know it".
I want to repeat the words of Pastor and end times teach Steve Chicciolanti - Just because some teacher doesn't get every tiny detail right, doesn't mean or make him or her a false prophet. We are standing on the shoulders of many Bible scholars and watchmen who have come before us. We should glean all the truth we can everywhere we can."
I will be downloading the free book, so i can learn and glean all i can, and understand more about end times.
The book is free. A Kingdom of Priests: The Stories of Revelation ebooks and PDF: www.smashwords.com/books/view/1033579
I would be so very very thrilled beyond words if she were right, and the tribulation did in fact begin on Sept 2017, - it would mean that we are that much closer.
Disciple4life
