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Post by yardstick on Jul 29, 2020 22:31:41 GMT -6
yardstick , even with that verse , it doesn't even imply that there is a ten day gap between us being transformed and being caught up.
This is another point why it's so so important to cross reference and look at the whole counsel of scripture.
She looks at Paul's verse in Corinthians about us being transformed but doesn't factor in the other most explicit passage about the rapture- also by Paul, in 1 Thessalon where Paul clearly says rapture Harpazo happens at the Last Trumpet.
There is not a "last trumpet" at Day of Atonement.
(Shofar is used in modern times at the end of Yom kippur, but not biblically. Except at Jubilee.
m.jpost.com/promocontent/why-do-we-blow-the-shofar-on-yom-kippur-506193
She doesn't have a good grasp of the feasts.
Trumpets are not a part of normal Day of Atonement except every 50th year at Jubilee.
Day of Atonement- is connected with door of heaven being closed and judgement [terrible things]
Which matches perfectly with
The second coming [the day of the Lord] which is when Christ comes back with his bride and sets his feet on the Mt of Olives.
I guess I wasn't clear: I speculated that she mistakenly used the passage, incorrectly. |
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Post by disciple4life on Jul 30, 2020 4:56:49 GMT -6
Sorry my brother. I've had several times in the last month I tried to enter a comment or reply from my phone and it didn't show all what I had typed. Weird
For the record, you were clear.
I totally understand that you are putting out a guess as to how or why she came to her conclusion and that verse was likely one of several factors.
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I never thought you believe that.
Sorry again. I guess I need to just use my laptop. Disciple4life
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Post by mike on Jul 30, 2020 7:08:50 GMT -6
disciple4life I encounter issues from the phone at times too. Also you note on the prev. page "except in a Jubilee year". I heard someone claim that its possible that this year upcoming is a Jubilee. Dont recall where or who, but it had to do with the "calendars are off topic". You are knowledgeable in the feasts. Do you know when the last or next Jubilee is?
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Post by mike on Jul 30, 2020 14:05:11 GMT -6
disciple4life hope you dont mind, but I found another interesting vid by Brenda.
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Post by disciple4life on Jul 30, 2020 15:03:05 GMT -6
No problem at all Mike. I haven't got a chance to view it yet, but i will for sure.
I feel like I'm a Middle schooler regarding the feasts, but we're all learning. heheh.
From all the sources i've seen and heard and read - not even the best Jewish or Messianic Scholars know what year the Jubilee years are.
Nelson Walters had a fantastic video that i think you sent me about 2020 and the Year of the Shmita.
Every 7 years is a Shmita year, and this correlates with the jubilee year. 7 cycles of 7 Shmitas and then you have a Jubilee year when slaves are freed and all debts are cancelled.
The really fascinating thing is how they are connected. The Jews didn't keep the Shmita years or the Jubilee years, and so God sent them into Babylonian captivity for 70 years, which corresponds exactly to the years that they didn't follow God's Laws..
I don't want to misquote - but i believe, if my memory is correct, that it was 70 Shmita cycles or 490 years -- It was in this exact video by Nelson Walters.
Messianic Rabbi Jonathan Cohn/Kohn has several interesting videos on it as well. Again - i can't remember the exact details - so i don't want to misquote - i'm happy if someone else can confirm/ or correct me on this.
I believe he teaches that two events in Israel's modern history happened on Jubilee years - 50 years apart. I think that the first one was when Israel became anation in 1948 and this fulfilled multiple prophecies.
Then something else hugely significant happened on 1998 --
I am a huge fan of his, and am not disparaging him or his ministry, but the issue that a lot of people have with this is that there is no point of reference farther in history or from scripture to use as an absolute that we know was a Jubilee year.
I know that there is also speculation about Christ's ministry and that one very specific phrase he used and a number of Bible Scholars try to count from AD 27, when Christ was baptized at 30 years and began his public ministry.
The issue becomes a bit more tricky because we don't know if we should count from this day using 30 day prophetic months, or 365 day years according to a Gregorian calendar.
All that to say - im skeptical of anyone who claims that this year is definitely a Jubilee year, or the next.
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Post by yardstick on Jul 30, 2020 18:14:14 GMT -6
Sorry my brother. I've had several times in the last month I tried to enter a comment or reply from my phone and it didn't show all what I had typed. Weird For the record, you were clear. I totally understand that you are putting out a guess as to how or why she came to her conclusion and that verse was likely one of several factors. I I never thought you believe that. Sorry again. I guess I need to just use my laptop. Disciple4life sorry about the confusion... |
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 22, 2020 17:16:53 GMT -6
disciple4life hope you dont mind, but I found another interesting vid by Brenda. This Brenda has some really interesting insights into what I've been studying, of which we both came to the same conclusions on. Not the Rapture per se, but old testament references where she draws some conclusions with Revelation. I'm going to research her work and her 600 page book which I just downloaded. She may or may not be correct on her timeline, but I won't complain if she's right... lol. I do think her linkages between scriptures are quite accurate though, it wouldn't surprise me if her timeline was also accurate. |
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 23, 2020 15:02:04 GMT -6
I will say I personally approve of Brenda Weltner's studies of Revelation and her many other topics as a valid alternative to normal dispensational teachings.
She has my seal of approval.
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Post by disciple4life on Aug 23, 2020 18:30:15 GMT -6
I will say I personally approve of Brenda Weltner's studies of Revelation and her many other topics as a valid alternative to normal dispensational teachings. She has my seal of approval. Hello Vet, Not bothered at all my brother.  As i said before, i think she has some incredible insight. it's neither my intent to malign her or her ministry. She however tripled down and said that not only was she naming the exact rapture day, but that if specific things didn't happen by the end of August, that you could take everything she has written, all her years of study and put them in the trash.. She ignored massive amounts of information - multiple Jewish and Gentile sources, both religious and secular/ scientific/ sources and chose one source Torah calendar, and pinned the Revelation 12 sign to Feast of Trumpets, which is wasn't. This was something that i pointed out that multiple teachers did - out of desperation, wanting to make it more spectacular. **I also have tried to say that I am not a hater, or a naysayer of the Revelation 12 sign. It was a marker, something amazing and a huge piece of the prophetic puzzle, but just not what Scott Clarke and others said it meant. Why would a Non-Jewish person ignore multiple Jewish sources regarding Jewish calendars. The numbers of sources that agree vs one source was like 10 or 12 vs 1. I also want to be perfectly clear that I'm not hoping she's wrong. I will be very happily surprised. But i'm saying that we will know in a few weeks, by the end of August, by her timeline. I'm on record a couple dozen times categorically linking the rapture to a Jewish Feast - more specifically the Fall Feasts. I sure feel very strongly that it's this year. Lots of watchmen with lots of different views fell the same way - huge growing pile of converging signs. I didn't quit my job or sell my house, nor did i buy 50 cases of spam and ramen noodles. I can't even imagine a scenario where we hear on the news after the election - "OK, folks, throw your masks away - this was all a misunderstanding. Turns out Yoo-hoo kills the virus. Go back to normal." People like her don't think about the huge and irreparable harm that this brings to Christians, everywhere, and particularly to us - the men and women who are watchers on the wall. I think that we can and should glean all we can in terms of truth and Pearls of wisdom from every Christian we can. No one has a monopoly. As Pastor Steve Cioccolanti says - "We stand on the shoulders of many faithful teachers, and watchmen before us, none of whom had it 100% right. It doesn't make that person a false prophet. " I am forever grateful for all i've gleaned from this forum. ;- |
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 23, 2020 18:44:49 GMT -6
I will say I personally approve of Brenda Weltner's studies of Revelation and her many other topics as a valid alternative to normal dispensational teachings. She has my seal of approval. Hello Vet, Not bothered at all my brother. As i said before, i think she has some incredible insight. it's neither my intent to malign her or her ministry. She however tripled down and said that not only was she naming the exact rapture day, but that if specific things didn't happen by the end of August, that you could take everything she has written, all her years of study and put them in the trash.. She ignored massive amounts of information - multiple Jewish and Gentile sources, both religious and secular/ scientific/ sources and chose one source Torah calendar, and pinned the Revelation 12 sign to Feast of Trumpets, which is wasn't. This was something that i pointed out that multiple teachers did - out of desperation, wanting to make it more spectacular. **I also have tried to say that I am not a hater, or a naysayer of the Revelation 12 sign. It was a marker, something amazing and a huge piece of the prophetic puzzle, but just not what Scott Clarke and others said it meant. Why would a Non-Jewish person ignore multiple Jewish sources regarding Jewish calendars. The numbers of sources that agree vs one source was like 10 or 12 vs 1. I also want to be perfectly clear that I'm not hoping she's wrong. I will be very happily surprised. But i'm saying that we will know in a few weeks, by the end of August, by her timeline. I'm on record a couple dozen times categorically linking the rapture to a Jewish Feast - more specifically the Fall Feasts. I sure feel very strongly that it's this year. Lots of watchmen with lots of different views fell the same way - huge growing pile of converging signs. I didn't quit my job or sell my house, nor did i buy 50 cases of spam and ramen noodles. I can't even imagine a scenario where we hear on the news after the election - "OK, folks, throw your masks away - this was all a misunderstanding. Turns out Yoo-hoo kills the virus. Go back to normal." People like her don't think about the huge and irreparable harm that this brings to Christians, everywhere, and particularly to us - the men and women who are watchers on the wall. I think that we can and should glean all we can in terms of truth and Pearls of wisdom from every Christian we can. No one has a monopoly. As Pastor Steve Cioccolanti says - "We stand on the shoulders of many faithful teachers, and watchmen before us, none of whom had it 100% right. It doesn't make that person a false prophet. " I am forever grateful for all i've gleaned from this forum. ;- Yea, I'm not exactly referring to her timeline. Just the content of the materials she covers. Her timeline is all based on the 2017 alignment. She's justifiably guessing on that anchor point. Albeit a very powerful, justified, guess.. the sign did happen. But... the theories she poses for the events during the Trib are what interest me. I don't think she's wrong on how things pan out... generally. I think she makes a strong case for how she interpreted Revelation. Now, it could be this year, or 10 years down the road, or whatever. Yes, she said she would throw the baby out with the bath water, but I don't think that's necessary. Edit: Here is a link to her summarized version of time drive.google.com/file/d/14jwrDbJsNAw-NCISFB4jLYz4mwOZgTmu/viewGary has produced many articles on the moons, alignment, and solar eclipses, etc. I'll give what was shown to her, and everyone based on what we see in the heavens, the benefit of the doubt and pray her timeline is right. |
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Post by disciple4life on Aug 29, 2020 19:44:03 GMT -6
Hello Fellow watchmen, Just a short side note- but it's directly relevant to the rapture and birth pains. It was absolutely no coincidence that Christ likened the end times events to a woman in labor, ready to give birth. There are lots of signs, for the mother herself of course, but there are also signs for the husband, and family - those waiting anxiously for the arrival of the new baby. What's amazing, is that not only is there the contractions - and they get closer and closer, and more intense, and it tells you you have a few hours. Until they are about 4 minutes apart. The people at the Birthing class said - then, take your bag which is all packed and sitting at the door, and go to the hospital. Then, the water breaks, and this is another sign, telling all those waiting, that it's not hours. It's minutes.
At this very moment, as i write this - our household is anxiously awaiting a birth, and it's hours away. It should be sometime in the night. I have the sterile gloves and lots of clean towels, and it will be in our house. It's our wonderful black lab, Lucy.  There are very visible signs, that even our 9 year old can see - tells us it's close. The dog's mood changes, she gets restless, she starts digging/nesting, and panting. When her temperature drops, then it's down to fewer than 12 hours. ***God is so amazing- we prayed that she would have her puppies on the weekend, so i could be here to help. Her temperature dropped at about 4 in the afternoon. I just say all this, because it shows that even in the animal world, horses, dogs, cows, sheep, etc, there are very distinct and visible signs, for those watching. ;-) It only deepens my conviction that there is also clear pre-birth signs, for those watching, and that just like the water breaking event in human childbirth, we also too will see some kind of major water-breaking event. Not sure what it will be - maybe a ginormous earthquake, or maybe the start of Ezekiel 38 war, but the sheepdogs will recognize it. Maranatha, my dear watchmen family. Anxiously awaiting 8 or 9 lab puppies in the night as i literally sit up and watch and wait - And Read through Ezekiel. ;-) Disciple4life. |
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As i said before, i think she has some incredible insight. 