disciple4life , just wondering if you had considered the rapture happening at another feast day? Tabernacles for example. I have also been curious about the 8th day assembly. Any clue on that?
Hello Natalie. ***I want to try to answer your question, and my friend, Cappuccino Mike in the same post.
So your question - Whether I have considered the rapture happening at another Feast day? - I'm 100% without a shadow of a doubt convinced that it's one of the Fall Feasts.
**As a result of discovering my Jewish roots in my mid-to-late 40's - I started an incredible journey of studying end-times, and the Feasts of the Lord as God's Divine calendar, or timeclock, and in the process, I came to change several issues 180 degrees different from how i was raised -as a direct result of understanding more of Jewish culture.
As to your question, "If i have considered the rapture happening at another feast day?
Yes. For now, it's only a theory, - but I have and am considering other Fall Feasts. We are told specifically, in Zechariah, that in the end of the age [millennial reign]
all the nations of the earth will celebrate Feast of Booths/ Sukkot every year, when the 4th temple is built. So that tells us two ginormous things.
1. One it tells us that the 7th and last feast not only will be fulfilled in Christ, just like all the others, but more importantly
it also confirms what many end times scholars believe - that they are "
appointed times" in a precise and perfect order. We are told in scripture - how the last feast will be fulfilled - The last event of the End Times- and the feast of tabernacles, points to Christ, when he literally 'tabernacles' with us in the temple/tabernacle built by Christ himself. And we already know that Paul said that the feasts are a
shadow of things to come. [holy convocation or 'moadim' in Hebrew is also translated as
'rehearsal'. 2. It also totally drives a spike in the coffin of the often-stated notion that the feasts don't apply to us- "Not for us- but only for the Jews." I've heard this from many well-meaning Christians, but the amazing thing is that all of them want to be part of the millennial reign. Heheheh.
[Not a single one - regardless of background or denomination say "No, I'm definitely not planning to be there. It's only for Jews."
I think 2 things are driving this - 1 is lack of teaching re the feasts, and 2 is the fear of legalism, -thinking that if we acknowledge that the feasts are God's timeclock, then it might mean we have to "go back to keeping the OT law" - falling into legalism.
The first four or "Spring Feasts" have already been fulfilled perfectly in Christ, and were inseparably linked with Christ's first Advent, -in my humble opinion- and after the summer, there is a long gap, and it is my belief that the summer is the long gap we are currently in, - the age of the Gentiles.
The Fall Feasts are literally in the Fall, and the Fall Feasts are literally the 'end of the harvest' of literal, physical fruit and grain. Christ himself also spoke of the spiritual harvest of souls - in the exact same passage as the Fig Tree.
Since the first four are fulfilled, and we're in the Summer era, or 'summer age' - that long gap, that only leaves 2 possibilities. Feast of Trumpets, and Day of Atonement.
I was made more open to a possibility of Sukkot/Feast of Booths rapture by the new information by Scotty Clarke, that the menorah is lit from left to right - like we read a book -- 1st through the 4th candles and then, the last 3 candles are lit in reverse order, going backwards from right to left. Hmmmm.
**The very interesting thing - proposed by multiple pastors and teachers is that according to
Torah calendar, this year is a Jubilee, and in this rare case - Only every 50 years - that instead of 1st of Tishri being Rosh Hoshanah, it occurs on 10th of Tishri-
Day of Atonement. Wow.
I don't know how they come to this conclusion - that this year is year of Jubilee, but as i mentioned on earlier post of Pastor Jerry Toney, this year the numbers fit the exact day count given to us in Daniel. Exactly 1260 days from Feast of Trumpets to the special Sabbath of the Red Heifer. 3 1/2 years to the midpoint, and then exactly 1290 days to Day of Atonement. Next year, and the following 5 years after that- the numbers don't work.
Now, my segue into Mike's comment. As an Otter and a verbal processor, sometimes it takes 2 or 3 takes to articulate what i really mean. I have been on a journey of learning, and this has included changing several major views and I'm still learning. My views have been shaped a lot, by the watchmen on this forum, as well as other well-known end-times teachers.
It is never my intent to imply that my way is the only right one, and in many end-times topics, I feel so ignorant, I can't even engage in a conversation. In most topics, my views are still developing. I commented that
there are either 2 choices - That we either believe God is perfectly precise, or we don't. - I want to try to clarify this better with the example of the Revelation 12 sign. I've expressed skepticism, but I'm not a naysayer or a hater, or one that thinks it's nothing.
I've repeatedly said on multiple forums that I think it was positively a major piece of the end-times puzzle, and was nothing short of astounding. One of the biggest reasons for my skepticism, was that the primary person who made it a well-known topic in end times discussions, stated that it occurred on Feast of Trumpets, - but the vast majority of sources - Jewish calendar sites, as well as secular sites, and Jewish experts said that is was not. God is not an almost God 'close to Passover'.
It has long been understood in Jewish thought that the earth is the bride and the sun is the groom.. Now we have new information that in the Jewish wedding, the bride circles the groom 3 times. Wow. This is what I mean, - that this picture of the the bride circling the sun is so incredible, and it's not by coincidence. It's 3 years since the Rev 12 sign.
Christians are 2000 years removed from Jewish culture and context and language and geography, and idioms, and add to this - a long and well-documented hatred of the Catholic church for Jews and everything even connected with Jewish life and culture. This has crept into the protestant church - [replacement theology].
Most Christians would say God is NOT random, haphazzard, - and in fact, many would even agree that nothing in scripture is by chance. The striking thing is that the vast majority categorically dismissed the Rev 12 sign - as either Total Rubbish, astrology, or 'Cool - interesting coincidence', and most dismiss the feasts as 'Jewish myths' or meaningless.
It's odd, that so many would say with their lips, "
Yes, I think God is precise, and things in scripture are not by chance or accident", but then, dismiss the clear teachings of Christ, Paul, and John, and say he could come any hour of any day- and usually firmly insisting that Jesus is fully God, but yet he doesn't know when he's coming back.
I think George says it well in this very short video.
He says that the rapture has to be in the fall- Why? How can he be so sure, and isn't that arrogant. No, because the planetary alignment that is known as the
Revel 12 sign, has only happened 2 x in about 5000 years, and besides the event in 2017, the only other time we saw this alignment, was at the time of Christ's birth, [Coincidence??]
and you can only have the Virgo clothed with the sun, and the moon at her feet in the Fall. The special conditions that make up this whole complex alignment can not occur in the Spring.
We see multiple clues by Christ, Paul, and John, all pointing to one thing, and almost a dozen examples of Hebrew culture preserved over thousands of years - that all point to the same thing that Christ and Paul and John wrote. What are the sheer odds, that Jewish tradition and centuries old customs - some going back before Christ, match perfectly with scripture, and all point to the Messiah, and are linked with Feast of Trumpets.
It is because of my firm belief in the extreme precision of God, and that he told us specifically that he gave us the stars and planets for signs and for seasons, - that we should consider that this indeed could be a Jubilee year.
Only a perfectly precise God would start his ministry on a Jubilee year and finish it on a Jubilee year - in the perfect fulfillment - He came to set the captives free. If it turns out that this year is NOT a Jubilee year and we don't see the rapture on Day of Atonement - then
Torah calendar is not correct - it also will raise very serious doubts as to whether the Revelation 12 sign was on Feast of trumpets, as they said, or "close."
I don't start considering a Passover rapture or Pentecost rapture. Those rehearsals were fulfilled by the 'real thing'. If others do - that's OK. But in my opinion, it's not in order and it's not precise, and it clearly does not fit the pattern he gave us, or the clues he gave us. Is it possible that it's not this year?? Yes. It doesn't shake or diminish my trust in God or his promises. It just means that we will see more pieces fit in this next year.
Maranatha.