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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 2:15:37 GMT -6
Something I've heard mention before is the possibility of a hard polar shift and earth wobble caused by the earthquakes and volcanoes of the 6th Seal. From the perspective of a person on earth, this could very well look like the stars were falling. Maybe this is precipitated by this Planet X. I believe this may very well be a possibility. And it is my belief, that the so-called Planet X may play an important role in the last week of Daniel. And it has nothing to do with conspiracy theories of any kind. My guess is, that the 4th vial judgement is precipitated by a close flyby of PlanetX or the Nibiru system, causing some kind of supernova. If you have read this previously mentioned article (sorry for repeating myself), everything may become way more clearer: www.creationism.org/patten/PattenRecOrgSolSys/PattenRootssCh00aTitle.htmlUnfortunately, most people today, even Christians are subscribed to the gradualistic world view. The biblical worldview is complete different from that, it is a cataclysmic one. Remember the flood and all other catastrophes, mentioned in the OT prophets. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 2:22:47 GMT -6
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Post by mike on Sept 2, 2017 7:51:56 GMT -6
Stephan this information is a must read for all (IMO). I had some reservations about "Nibiru" but after reading mathematical analysis of the solar system creation, I am no longer on the fence. Even more fascinating is the Mars wars article. Looking forward to reading the third volume.
Note - I am no conspiracy theorist believer. I need factual evidence to convince me of most things. This is the type of evidence we should all be aware of. I am extremely grateful for your bringing this evidence to light
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Post by mike on Sept 2, 2017 7:53:43 GMT -6
Also (Stephan) think about it. Planet X, Nibiru, little brother or whatever we call it may be delivering our new earth in 1000 yrs
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 8:09:45 GMT -6
Mike, as I mentioned in my PM to you, I as an engineer I'm also always committed to facts and reliable data.
The problem with the Nibiru/PlanetX thing is, that there are many conspiracy protagonists spreading nonsense and distorted information.
This makes it extremely difficult to sort out proper information.
Yep, the heavenly UPS maybe yet on the road....
Glad to see we are in the same camp. 😀
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Post by linda on Sept 2, 2017 15:16:22 GMT -6
That would be extremely disruptive, Linda--whether this will happen or not I can't say for sure, but I'm also not sure whether the earth would have the structural integrity to sustain that! I will say a couple months ago I had a dream where the stars began to spin rapidly enough that I could watch them travel across the sky, as if the earth had sped up maybe 20-100 times faster than normal. Just a dream, I don't know whether there was any prophetic validity to it. Yes, it would definitely be disruptive. But I think it might have some validity. I read that after that horrible tsunamai/earthquake back a few years ago that the magnetic North Pole (and presumably the South Pole as well) moved a few feet and the earth wobbled in her orbit. Now think about the enormous amount of power released when the 6th Seal is opened and there are huge earthquakes and volcanoes all over the world. I would bet there would be polar movement (maybe not a pole reversal) and big earth wobble. I'm also interested in what phenomena will cause days to be shortened by a third later on in Revelation. Maybe a change in speed of earth revolutions or orbit. Maybe caused by this Planet X? Definitely catastrophic, but the things going on down here will be catastrophic. |
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Post by mike on Sept 2, 2017 18:53:47 GMT -6
Linda if you decide to read the link provided by Stephan or are interested in finding out how the days can be shortened, click the link and read the portion about the Mars wars. Planets are gyroscopes and like any top (or dreidel) if an outside force acts on it it will wobble. There is a whole section devoted to how the magnetic field of Mars affected Earth. Earth being mostly "liquid" (99% between H2O and the magma, mantle etc and 1% crust) doesn't spin exactly like a top would. "Liquid" is affected and reacts different than a solid. It's all physics and math.
Certainly too much to try to explain in a post, but all makes sense especially when/if another planet passes through the inner solar system. Nearly everything in Revelation can be attributed to this including shorter days. It even explains the Flood and parting of the Red Sea.
I'm 99.9% convinced that out maker set all of this in motion at the beginning. Remember He rested on day 7, completing His work
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Post by linda on Sept 3, 2017 23:06:18 GMT -6
Linda if you decide to read the link provided by Stephan or are interested in finding out how the days can be shortened, click the link and read the portion about the Mars wars. Planets are gyroscopes and like any top (or dreidel) if an outside force acts on it it will wobble. There is a whole section devoted to how the magnetic field of Mars affected Earth. Earth being mostly "liquid" (99% between H2O and the magma, mantle etc and 1% crust) doesn't spin exactly like a top would. "Liquid" is affected and reacts different than a solid. It's all physics and math. Certainly too much to try to explain in a post, but all makes sense especially when/if another planet passes through the inner solar system. Nearly everything in Revelation can be attributed to this including shorter days. It even explains the Flood and parting of the Red Sea. I'm 99.9% convinced that out maker set all of this in motion at the beginning. Remember He rested on day 7, completing His work Thanks, Mike. Yes, I've been slogging through that book. My problem is not knowing much about astronomy, so all the terminology is new to me and I have to stop and look up the words before I understand what he's getting at. But it is fascinating and he does pose some interesting questions. It's going to take me awhile to get through this. I do like reading contrarian views against the current Marxist "scientific" viewpoints. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 23:17:42 GMT -6
Linda if you decide to read the link provided by Stephan or are interested in finding out how the days can be shortened, click the link and read the portion about the Mars wars. Planets are gyroscopes and like any top (or dreidel) if an outside force acts on it it will wobble. There is a whole section devoted to how the magnetic field of Mars affected Earth. Earth being mostly "liquid" (99% between H2O and the magma, mantle etc and 1% crust) doesn't spin exactly like a top would. "Liquid" is affected and reacts different than a solid. It's all physics and math. Certainly too much to try to explain in a post, but all makes sense especially when/if another planet passes through the inner solar system. Nearly everything in Revelation can be attributed to this including shorter days. It even explains the Flood and parting of the Red Sea. I'm 99.9% convinced that out maker set all of this in motion at the beginning. Remember He rested on day 7, completing His work Thanks, Mike. Yes, I've been slogging through that book. My problem is not knowing much about astronomy, so all the terminology is new to me and I have to stop and look up the words before I understand what he's getting at. But it is fascinating and he does pose some interesting questions. It's going to take me awhile to get through this. I do like reading contrarian views against the current Marxist "scientific" viewpoints. Well said, linda! Their so-called "scientific" viewpoint is anything but scientific. I would rather classify it as "religious".... 😉 |
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Post by watchmanjim on Sept 4, 2017 10:30:13 GMT -6
While I agree with most of what you guys are saying, I would also like to caution against trying to explain every single miracle in the Bible with science. I do believe that some of the miracles are things that truly go against the (understood and currently understandable) laws of physics. Was Noah's flood a miracle? No, I think it was entirely explainable through science. But things like parting the Red Sea, and the Jordan River, etc. Could be natural phenomena, but I would like to suggest that some of these things were EXACTLY miracels--ie, instances where God purposely and specifically over-rides the laws of nature He established. Thus, we do not need to try to explain away every single "miracle" in the Bible as some trick of nature. When the axe head floated, when Jesus (and Peter) walked on water, and certain other events, I have to think some of these things are exceptions to nature, not explainable by nature.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 11:51:46 GMT -6
While I agree with most of what you guys are saying, I would also like to caution against trying to explain every single miracle in the Bible with science. I do believe that some of the miracles are things that truly go against the (understood and currently understandable) laws of physics. Was Noah's flood a miracle? No, I think it was entirely explainable through science. But things like parting the Red Sea, and the Jordan River, etc. Could be natural phenomena, but I would like to suggest that some of these things were EXACTLY miracels--ie, instances where God purposely and specifically over-rides the laws of nature He established. Thus, we do not need to try to explain away every single "miracle" in the Bible as some trick of nature. When the axe head floated, when Jesus (and Peter) walked on water, and certain other events, I have to think some of these things are exceptions to nature, not explainable by nature. Don't worry.... I believe, that no one here would question biblical miracles! To speak for me, I am the very last person who would attribute miracles to explainable natural circumstances.... But I do also believe, that some Christians often fall down the other side of the horse. |
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Post by linda on Sept 4, 2017 16:02:55 GMT -6
Even when something has a "scientific" explanation, we still have to realize that God created the planets and set them in motion so that specific things happen at a specific time. Which, when you think about it, is a miracle, too, in a sense. Think about the trillions of different things that had to happen at specific times in history for His purposes. It's mind boggling. And if there is something to this Nemesis/Nibaru system, we know that God created it for His purposes.
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Post by mike on Sept 4, 2017 19:23:11 GMT -6
Jim I'd agree with Stephan and Linda here. I am not trying to explain away 'miracles' by applying science. I absolutely believe supernatural things occur such as walking on water, Peter's shadow healing the sick and such, but like Stephan said some people are on the other side of the fence where every single thing that ever happened was a miracle.
With new information (like Rev 12 sign) we should diligently analyze the data. In my case Stephan shared information that was previously unknown to me. Much of that points to probabilities for explaining some things that have happened and may happen.
Not to mention God placed these planets in their order for their appointed purpose.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 8:05:13 GMT -6
I think either way is incredible. To put a star that stops over Bethlehem seems more miracle driven to me. Stars may appear to be above a place on earth. But the wording in scriptures seems to be that that the star "went before them and stood over where the young child was." So all the hype about the star of Bethlehem being a conjunction of this or that planet does not ring true to me.
However, I also think, wow! Is it any less powerful to arrange all the bodies of the universe so that they arrive at just the right spot on just the right time thousands of years in the future?
Both are cool. I think I'll worship THAT God!
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Post by mike on Sept 5, 2017 9:30:47 GMT -6
Ya know SK, I'm down with that. I just want to add to my previous post...things like whether the sun actually stood still as God literally stopped it from moving or God provided it by some other means of planetary magnetism (between Earth & Mars) to slow the earth enough to appear as if it stood still are one in the same to me. For others out there it isn't. We can't simply state "the bible says so" and expect everyone to be okay with that. Even as a believer I had trouble with it, but took it at value. Imagine an unbeliever! My intent is to be used to help "convince" and "convict" those seemingly need or require the information to be able to truly recognize the One who put the planets and stars where they are. The cosmic clock He created for His purpose. For me to play a small role in relaying a message of TRUTH rather than error to those who have been force fed scientific error is humbling. I am thankful that the Lord has revealed some of this information (through others) to me to use for His glory. A personal side note - Over this weekend I was able to plainly shine some light to someone who has stated (in the past) she doesnt believe in God. Before the gathering I was hoping to have some door open to share some form of truth. Of course I want the full message and salvation to occur in one fell swoop but that doesnt typically happen. One plants, one waters, one reaps etc. Anyway, as the evening was closing out, my daughter said something about school starting and this woman mentioned how much more school work she would have going from 5th to 6th grade. I dont remember exactly how but I mentioned that they would be teaching evolution in the new school. I said to my daughter, "remember what we talked about the law of entropy?" The woman said "what is that?" - i explained "one of the laws of the universe is that everything tends to disorder and decay, we age, cars, plants everything, yet evolution teaches we become more and more complex." I saw the light bulb come on, end of conversation as her 9 month old was walking along the couch. Point is had I not learned a tad bit of information about the law of entropy to instruct my child about the lies of evolution, I would not have opportunity to share the truth of creation. |
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