I mentioned South Korea earlier as having some of the better data because they have done more testing for the virus relative to their population than any other country. Using their numbers as of today, there are 7979 cases and 71 deaths in South Korea. That's a death rate of 0.89%, less than 1%. Even in South Korea it is likely that many asymptomatic or mild symptom cases go untested and therefore unreported meaning that even .89% is likely higher than the actual death rate. This is still worse than the typical flu, and may be worse than even a bad flu year like 2018 when 80,000 Americans died from flu, but put in context, it's still a relatively low risk. People die every day in car accidents, but that doesn't stop most Americans from driving. There were 36,560 deaths from auto accidents in the USA in 2018. So far Covid-19 deaths as of this writing are 5,397 GLOBALLY and only 41 in the USA. Yes, it might still get worse, but they're saying that China, South Korea, and Singapore are already seeing the number of cases decline. The math for this virus really does not seem to warrant the panic, unless I am missing something...
Salons, restaurants, bars, dentists, now chiropractic offices closed in my area. It is believed we have two cases in my local area, one at each of our hospitals. Waiting on test results to come back. Lord please come!
Eschatology today has a graphic on history of pandemics. Doesn't zoom in much and words become blurred the more you do, but you can still get perspective. Granted this is only a few months in and some of the bigger pandemics lasted years. Also, look at the literal breakdown of the word - Pandemonium.
Headline: Global SITREP B1-20: The Novel Corona Virus 2019 in Perspective
From link - 24 March 2020: This SITREP is o place the nCoV-19 in the proper perspective, as the above graphic very successfully illustrates. Click on it to enlarge. Make a note of the number and severity of the pestilences since about 1800 AD following the century gap from 1700-1800. And there's nCoV-19 at the very bottom of the graphic. A proper perspective.
The corporate global media has done everything in its power to create abject pandemonium. They have been very successful in this, as most of us have seen or experienced directly in the last week alone. The exacerbated seeds of fear planted by the media, political figures, and yes, wild-eyed conspiracists, have been abetted by one of the key inherent attributes of this particular corona virus - it's contagiousness is truly extraordinary. This has led many to opine that it is a man-made (Chinese Communist) biological weapon. Nevertheless, Eschatology Today notes that there are still far too many believing Christians who've become caught up in the media-driven pandemonium over nCoV-19!
Look closer at the italicized key word above. Pandemonium. It literally means a place of (pan = all; demonium = place of demons) "all demons." It is just such an appropriate a word to use because the inculcated abject fear is demonically driven. Eschatology Today recently highlighted and provided exegesis on Matthew 24:3-8. This is where the believing Christian should be firmly anchored, not in the corporate media-driven pandemonium gripping the world.
AMEN sog - we are not to live in fear rather by faith in our KING, who will soon appear to crush His enemies!!!
Eph 1:21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
1Cor 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Heb 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
2Thes 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
John 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
From link - Tehran is lying to the international community about the number of citizens infected and killed by coronavirus and imprisoning dissenters for speaking out, the U.S. State Department tells the Washington Free Beacon. "The regime has imprisoned dozens of Iranians for sharing statistics and forced hospital officials across Iran to falsify the number of cases and deaths," said State Department spokeswoman Morgan Ortagus.
And I believe you can add China and South Korea. I don't believe they have it under control. Whistle-blowers in China have said as much. One who has now mysteriously disappeared. North Korea hasn't put out a single case. And Russia? 658 as of this posting. Not likely.
Post by disciple4life on Mar 26, 2020 11:52:28 GMT -6
I just saw this on multiple sources. I guess to some its spreading fear. To me, its being a sheepdog. I don't know if it will get to this, but we know for a fact the unemployment numbers just came in and as of this week they are over 3 million. So the economic damage is far worse than the virus!!
Why would they do this? I firmly believe its incrementalism. If they can convince the world by hysteria that this is the black plague then people quickly comply when a breakthrough virus is discovered/created. Hmmm
Google "Bill Gates- microchip vaccine implants to fight coronavirus".
This one has an article, and also the short video from Pastor Allen at Law of Liberty. The video is about 9 minutes and very good.
Last week, Denmark passed a law in their senate - by overwhelming majority that involves police to force people to be tested for the virus, and will also include forcing people to be vaccinated when the vaccine comes available - Those who do not comply - will be banned from all public transport and shops. Hmmm.
For anyone who is skeptical - thinks this might be an internet hoax - you can also find a lot of stuff on "ID2020"
When the death toll is 23000 and rising rapidly - having a medical database doesn't sound bad.
Then - It's a very small step to add your SS # and bank account information, and blood type, etc etc.
It's also in use in Sweden, where it's becoming more popular.
Just think - Hypothetically, if this is the year for the rapture, - the whole world is totally aware of and affected by coronavirus - that gives 3 1/2 years for the AC and the Beast system to make this technology as widely-known as wi-fi. "For the safety, health and security of the world".
You can have both things going on at the same time. Is this virus worse than is being reported? Yes, I believe so. Is the panic right now worse than the virus? Yes, I believe so. Does the media fuel that panic? Of course.
This is just one article that can support what I mean -
Headline: Exclusive: As coronavirus spreads, U.S. military to withhold some infection data
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. military has decided it will stop providing some of the more granular data about coronavirus infections within its ranks out of concern that the information might be used by adversaries as the virus spreads.
I think this is part of why China, Russia, and others are withholding info. They don't want too much data revealed to adversaries of possible weakness. Economically or militarily. That doesn't mean that the panic isn't overblown, because it is having that effect. However, the virus is not subsiding, it's getting worse. 520,395 cases and 23,593 deaths is a 4.5% death rate as of this posting. That's now 45 times higher than a regular flu season. Those numbers are jumping more and more each day. Those countries not reporting or under-reporting are most likely not doing so for both cases and deaths, so it's a wash in my opinion. And my guess is most people that have a normal flu during a normal flu season don't report at all, which makes the regular flu death rate even smaller. Also, aged population stats between countries is only a percentage point or few, so I don't think that is anything too significant to point to. This virus is still smaller than some big pandemics in history, but we are only a few months in and some of those lasted years. But again, a big but, the panic is definitely causing more hardships and will continue to do so. The demons are working overtime to destroy this world from both angles. All we can do is watch, pray, help when help can be given, and stay as safe as possible.
My state of NH just announced a "Stay at home order".
I was out all day, checking on my projects, talking to contractors, and gathering supplies from a few stores. I had the strong sense that I needed to stop this behavior. Just not safe from watching the exponential infection rate trending over the past few weeks, and now its firmly here and spreading in my quiet little state. Worst yet, many of us may already have it and won't know for days or weeks. So I told the wife when I got home that I was done going out, other than for provisions when needed.
Unless the Lord steps in, this virus is not going to stop. Summer will not kill it. The numbers from China are a joke. i'm thinking they have lost 100k +, probably more.
Anyway, the Gov got it right today.
Still trusting Jesus to keep us safe and praying angels are encamped around all of us right now. Amen.
Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.” John 6:29
Except for China...who probably has 500k infected and 100k dead. Pray for our brothers and sisters there!
Thank you SOG. I never turn that down. And I for you.
Hey fitz, my brother, was that a typo? You think China has 500 thousand infected and 100,000 already dead or do you mean like worst case scenario? The latest numbers of total deaths worldwide from Johns Hopkins are approx 24,000. The thing is that Italy totally skews the data. They have the highest percentage of elderly population in Europe. The other thing the media doesn't report is that something like 85% of the deaths were over 65 and who already had 2 health issues, like asthma, heart disease, high blood pressure or diabetes. I don't know what's behind it, but I'm convinced that this is another of many converging signs. For this huge community of sheepdogs - who are not children of the darkness but children of the day, the rapture will not surprise us like a thief in the night 😉
No sir...that is not a typo. I think China is close to 500,000 infections at this point. China is lying. Its all about math & exponential growth. Every two weeks the (reliable) numbers are growing 10x. This is true in the US and it's true worldwide. China stopped reporting the true numbers when they got to 80,000.
Math doesn't lie. It took us From March 18 (9197 cases) to today to get to 85k...which will be 100,000 by April 1. By April 15, we will have 1,000,000 cases in the US and By May 1, unless drastic measures are taken or God himself stops it, we will be at 10,000,000. This is how exponential growth works.
China is lying (as is Iran). The chart below is statistically impossible. Laughable.
EnochWalked: I don't suppose the Palestinians are going to be given the chance to buy F-35s if they normalize relations with Israel. One other disadvantage for the Palestinians is that Israel doesn't dispute the borders of UAE, whereas "Palestine" is more ambiguous.
Oct 25, 2020 8:42:04 GMT -6
bora: Believing that God does not exist is like believing there is no food in the grocery store; no food on the earth; despair and starvation for our families. But there is food and our families are secure in the knowledge that God does exist. Just a thought.
Oct 25, 2020 8:48:41 GMT -6
EnochWalked: www.fivedoves.com/letters/oct2020/luisv1011-2.htm This is a detailed theory about the "Isaiah 61 Jubilee Year Theory" with a fantastic diagram at the end. Well worth a read if you haven't already. It explores the idea of the Trib. starting in 2022.
Oct 25, 2020 8:50:50 GMT -6
EnochWalked: I wanted to cross-reference it with another source, so I compared its claim "27 AD was the 7th year of that Sabbatical Cycle" with en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shmita "the Sabbatical year 41/42". 27 AD + 7 years + 7 years = 41 AD. Seems correct.
Oct 25, 2020 8:53:09 GMT -6
EnochWalked: I don't know how controversial an idea it is that the Tribulation will exactly match the historic Sabbatical cycles (or that we can know where modern years fall on that cycle) but knowing the date of the Trib may not tell us the day or hour of the Rapture.
Oct 25, 2020 8:57:54 GMT -6
EnochWalked: Cross-referencing again I find this long but compelling analysis: endtimepilgrim.org/70wks11.htm which supports the claim that "Jesus began His ministry in 28 A.D." which would have been the Jubilee year immediately following 27 AD.
Oct 25, 2020 14:14:12 GMT -6
mike: Prov 28:9 If one turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer is an abomination. (<--Society & some of the church today like this - EW?)
Oct 27, 2020 6:49:59 GMT -6
boraddict: Bummer, I was looking forward to debating stella. The supposed message from stella was sad to me; because, it was so obliviously from Satan
Oct 27, 2020 7:08:15 GMT -6
mike: Bora - sorry the intent was to antagonize not prophesy.
Oct 27, 2020 7:09:17 GMT -6
boraddict: Yes, I know, and stella did not have a solid scriptural foundation. Satan tricks people like that so easily.
Oct 27, 2020 7:26:00 GMT -6
ksteven: mike, Bora- I have a sneaking suspicion that the "trigger event" stella was waiting for was being kicked. Im no prophet, but I suspect we may see someone by another name giving a similar "prophecy" soon.
Oct 27, 2020 8:12:24 GMT -6
Natalie: kstevens- wouldn't surprise me
Oct 27, 2020 8:46:45 GMT -6
rusty pail: "the One having died for us, so that whether we might watch or we might sleep, we may live together with Him" v.10
Oct 27, 2020 10:56:53 GMT -6
mike: Hey rusty, havent noticed you in a while. nice to see you
Oct 27, 2020 11:10:58 GMT -6
EnochWalked: mike: That's an interesting proverb, thank you. There definitely are those in society that are trying to appear pious while living effectively lawless lives, but sadly many have given up even the pretence of morality, being proud of their abomination.
Oct 27, 2020 14:14:30 GMT -6
boymaker: I don't know what to make of Stella. It felt like an attack. She got my Philly up. Pre-tribbers are the target of a lot of mockery and I just felt that in every post. Thanks for showing us how gracious you are to erring members, and where you draw the line
Oct 27, 2020 15:39:06 GMT -6
mike: Boymaker, when someone comes here in their first post telling us they have a warning, my guard goes up. We are all different parts of His body. I went into 'protect' mode. It couldve been spot on, but wrong way to deliver it
Oct 27, 2020 15:55:37 GMT -6