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Post by bernie on Mar 2, 2020 4:44:28 GMT -6
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Post by sog on Mar 2, 2020 11:19:36 GMT -6
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Post by tlwald on Mar 2, 2020 13:12:50 GMT -6
I work with a local doctor. He has been watching things closely. His concern was that by the time the media was reporting it was already too late to take action. He showed us a YouTube video of a local news station in Washington where the elderly person died. He said they knew a week before that people had been exposed and said nothing. He has stockpiled food and supplies for his family for two months. As of today he was seeing patients with mask, gloves and body covering suit. He said the virus can live on a surface for 9 days and that concerned him.
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Post by mike on Mar 2, 2020 14:11:06 GMT -6
Seems fairly obvious that most will be infected this virus. How severe it truly is a matter of what we are believing.
The first case was reported in NYC this weekend. In a city of 8-9 million how wouldnt we expect this to spread. I work across the Hudson and expect things to get worse very soon
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Post by rt on Mar 2, 2020 17:56:44 GMT -6
I am not as concerned about the actual virus, what concerns me is the response to it and how that may affect the economy.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Mar 2, 2020 21:29:18 GMT -6
mike , "Imagine if the media/world compared the rapid descent of our culture, morals and society to the Word of God and truly realized the grave sitaution this creation is in. hmmm. the media kinda brings this to mind: 5There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him.
6And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven.
7It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.
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Post by boraddict on Mar 2, 2020 22:25:54 GMT -6
Seems fairly obvious that most will be infected this virus. How severe it truly is a matter of what we are believing. The first case was reported in NYC this weekend. In a city of 8-9 million how wouldnt we expect this to spread. I work across the Hudson and expect things to get worse very soon As you know, the threat is not the virus although that is bad enough but the economy. So let's figure that 30 to 60 percent will get the virus (saw that on some show about the virus), and the vast majority of these will recover after a few weeks. However, the loss of wages and jobs might be staggering. Now, if everyone was following the Savior then we would have nothing to be concerned about. The virus would have it's effect and we would cover for one another at the job-site and be compassionate towards one another. But, our society is not loving towards each other and the opposite is true and the end result leans towards a disruption in the economy. |
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Post by rt on Mar 3, 2020 12:26:59 GMT -6
boraddict, It is not only the loss of wages, which has a large ripple affect, but also the loss of production, which has a direct impact on GDP, and also creates shortages of products. Not to mention the panic buying that is already going on in this country and others. If people think the stock markets will fall, they might start pulling out their money, which can crash the whole system. I think that's the real reason behind all the speeches, to calm the markets and the people. Downplaying it helps to do that. How serious is this virus? Time will tell, I honestly don't think we really know yet, not until it gets a foothold here, then the real numbers will come out.
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Post by mike on Mar 3, 2020 13:29:29 GMT -6
something else to consider is many of the things we see in the news/media are distractions from real events (that would concern believers). Is this media coverage of what is currently amounting to having the flu an overplayed distraction? Maybe
Also as I was explaining to a friend at the gym (yesterday) that one case in NYC occurred, I mentioned to him..."that girl couldve gone on the subway or PATH. The PATH comes directly to a stop where I ride the train. TA-DA! virus spread. Even worse, its is on our cash! Why is the WHO baffled by the people who havent been in contact with people who've traveled abroad when they say to wash your hands thoroughly, dont they understand that our money changes hands all over the world too!!" My friend said "cashless society...just another reason"
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Post by boraddict on Mar 3, 2020 23:10:26 GMT -6
One report states that the virus can live on surfaces up to 9 days.
Secondly, the longest reported incubation time where the individual had the virus but did not show symptoms was 27 days.
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Post by rt on Mar 4, 2020 7:15:25 GMT -6
something else to consider is many of the things we see in the news/media are distractions from real events (that would concern believers). Is this media coverage of what is currently amounting to having the flu an overplayed distraction? Maybe Also as I was explaining to a friend at the gym (yesterday) that one case in NYC occurred, I mentioned to him..."that girl couldve gone on the subway or PATH. The PATH comes directly to a stop where I ride the train. TA-DA! virus spread. Even worse, its is on our cash! Why is the WHO baffled by the people who havent been in contact with people who've traveled abroad when they say to wash your hands thoroughly, dont they understand that our money changes hands all over the world too!!" My friend said "cashless society...just another reason" Just came across this: www.zerohedge.com/markets/who-warns-dirty-banknotes-may-be-spreading-virus-worldwide |
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Post by bruce on Mar 4, 2020 15:17:41 GMT -6
I have been thinking that we are on the cusp of the rapture since...well to be honest since 2011, but certainly since 2017 when the Great Sign happened. All this time I tended to just assume the world would be chugging along rather normally for the times (meaning the world is wicked, but life continues as normal) when the rapture happens. Over at RaptureReady Terry James promotes this idea. He goes even further suggesting that the rapture will happen when there is an uptick in commerce. When Jesus talks about the Day of the Lord starting when people are marrying or giving in marriage, or likens it to the Days of Noah or Days of Lot, or when Paul tells us they will be saying "peace and safety", the sum total of all that suggests (though perhaps doesn't prove definitively) that the rapture will break in on a world going about its business if not enjoying prosperous times.
And this brings me to the puzzle of the Coronavirus. It has seriously thrown a wrench in a lot of my thoughts about where the world is headed in these final days. It's making the economy slow down, not speed up, and if it gets much worse, life won't continue as normal. Already if you live in China, South Korea, or Italy life has been severely disrupted. It's not hard to see that happening soon in Seattle, and now there's community spread in a synagogue near NYC (where I am). I am fully aware that the Tribulation proper will be orders of magnitude worse than the minor disruptions we have seen so far due to this virus, but there's a lot of fear right now that things could get worse fast. There are optimists too that think this will be contained and in a month or two we will have forgotten about it and moved on to the next "crisis". Maybe they're right.
All this to say, though, where does this leave the end times scenarios? Where does this leave Gog/Magog? (Iran is seriously infected now) Where does this leave the Deal of the Century? Israel is not unaffected by this virus. They have cases as well and are quarantining large numbers of people. There is talk of canceling Purim events. Should we expect things to get worse and worse and then we rapture out just before this virus turns this world into a dystopia? Or should we expect this virus to fade, for the good times to come back, marrying, giving in marriage, peace and safety, and then the trumpet sounds?
These questions are largely rhetorical, but if anyone has thoughts about where we go from here based on how the Bible describes the last days of the Church age, I'd be interested to hear them.
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Post by rt on Mar 5, 2020 13:37:35 GMT -6
bruce , So just some thoughts, the passage about Noah and Lot says they were eating, drinking and marrying, buying and selling. Even with coronavirus, those things will continue, though perhaps in a reduced manor. I think the real point is that people will always carry on with life until they are destroyed, by the flood in Noah's case and by fire in Lot's case. People can't carry on with the activities of life, if they are no longer alive to do so.
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Post by tlwald on Mar 5, 2020 15:33:03 GMT -6
Bruce, my two cents here. I could see the virus bringing world to it’s knees financially. I can see that ushering in the cashless society. Perhaps the “working from home” around all our smart electronics aiding the AC in watching everyone’s every move...I see the virus speeding things up. That’s just my thoughts.
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Post by disciple4life on Mar 5, 2020 15:54:15 GMT -6
Another thought - just for what it's worth. Someone suggested, ? boraddict or boymaker , that China intentionally created this virus as a potential Biological weapon.
I think that this is a very likely case, AND it could also be that God allowed it to be created, then allowed it to spread, as a judgement/curse for dividing God's land.
The US was part - a very very huge instrumental player. Trump, Kushner, and as one of the world's biggest superpowers, and biggest financial powerhouses, if it continues to spread, it has the potential to cause tens of billions of dollars in damage to the economy. It's not just the workers in the factories - mostly China, but the whole supply chain is disrupted. Airlines, travel, hotel, technology, etc, etc.
We had 7 days of market hemorrhaging, then 1 day of gains, and then another huge fall. Last Thursday was the largest drop in history, ever, and we haven't even scratched the surface of the chaos and anarchy and hysteria if we see 200 or 300 confirmed cases in the US.
The scary thing is that we don't have confirmed cases in high numbers because the vast majority of people have not even been tested, and there are multiple reports that the kits are defective.
I think its overblown, - media hype, but I also think its too soon to tell.
As of now, we are not even remotely close to the number of deaths from the flu each year just in the US. But it could be a lot worse, like Mike mentioned, in large cities like Atlanta, Chicago or New York with subway systems and tens of thousands of people in close contact.
I think we'll know a lot by middle of April. 1 month out.
Disciple4life
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