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Post by sog on Nov 3, 2019 10:04:01 GMT -6
Very interesting update over at Daniel Matson's watchfortheday.org Scroll down to the Oct 30th entry @ 9:53 AM and continue from there watchfortheday.org/oct312019.htmlTalks about The Sign for Hezekiah on the Sundial of Ahaz and what how it changed the calendar from 360 to 365.2422 days and what that means for today. Part from link - In the spring of 2019 it has now been 2,731 years since this moment of Hezekiah and the sundial. 2,731 x 5.2422 is 14,316.45 extra days and divided by 360 gives 39.77 extra 360-day years or 39 years and 276.4 days. What is fascinating is that the calculation works to 39 years and 279 days extra to right before the last Israeli Election on September 17, 2019. To make it 39 years and 280 days comes to Rainbow Day of 2019 or November 25, 2019. This then covers 70 days and matches the Elections diagram. Two-hundred and eighty days is striking inside the 40th extra year as 280 is 40 weeks or the period of human gestation. To check the math, 14,320 days divided by 5.2422 is 2,731.68 365.2422-day years or 2,731 years and 247 days. Something more accurate than Ahaz’s sundial is in play. We had 3900 extra days to the Messiah and now we have 39 extra years working on day 280 of the 40th extra year. My summary - Heshvan 10 (11/8/2019)- "Get in the Ark day" - "as in the days of Noah" - Heshvan 11 is also known as the day of Rachel’s death in labor or tribulation. also, 81st anniversary of Kristallnacht (The "Night of Broken Glass") Two periods of 7's Jacob/Israel - Rachel death/birth of Benjamin. Two periods of 7's Joseph was thought to be dead by Jacob/Israel would not reveal himself until his brothers brought Benjamin. The two Benjamin's of Israel we have today. Also check his Possible 70th week diagram. Much more in depth at his link. |
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Post by raindrop on Nov 3, 2019 11:24:28 GMT -6
sog, Wow. Thank you for posting that fascinating link. When I have finished posting this, I will go back and ponder your info in depth. I had to quickly post something that I found really intriguing. Probably way less erudite and learned as your info...but still intriguing. Remember that song, "Aquarius" from the musical Hair? It came out 50 years ago in 1969. The lyrics talk about when Jupiter aligns with Mars..this is the dawning of the age of Aquarius. Going back to this (maybe) false flag attack on Seattle today, Kochen mit Willi posted a video showing the planet alignment today. Several planets are aligned today - including Jupiter and Mars. I will post the link below. You only need to watch the beginning when he shows the planet alignment. Spaceweather.com shows the conjunction with the crescent moon and Jupiter today PLUS the added bonus of Ganymede. In mythology, Ganymede was made to depict the constellation Aquarius. You can't make this stuff up! Ganymede will conjunct with Jupiter again on November 28th. spaceweather.com/www.theoi.com/Ouranios/Ganymedes.htmlen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganymede_(mythology)To access the info on Ganymede and Jupiter, scroll down the page on the spaceweather.com link. If you are reading this after November 3rd, access the archive box and take the date back to November 3rd. I just had to post this stuff as it seemed too neat not to.
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Post by sog on Nov 3, 2019 13:15:03 GMT -6
raindrop, Yeah, you kinda have to read through it 2-3 times to let it sink in and discover all the connections he is making. God blessed him with a mathematical mind. I'm glad God's watchers bring so many unique talents to glorify him and his message.
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Post by rondonmonson on Nov 14, 2019 2:37:19 GMT -6
Have you considered this? (using a short hand form here – but if you want longer description just let me know) Revelation 1:12 ”Then I turned to see who was talking to me, and when I turned I saw seven gold lamp stands…. 20 The secret meaning of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and the seven gold lamp stands is this: the seven stars are the messengers of the seven churches, and the seven lamp stands are the seven churches.”Revelation 4:5 …. There were seven lamps of fire….. In other words; scripture plainly teaches the Lamps represent the churches….. And the chapter 4 (shows the churches in Heaven) surrounding the throne. Seems pretty plain that BEFORE the seals are even broken …. The church is no longer on earth they are around the throne.
Of course that presupposes that “the entire church” will be raptured at once.
That is my take
But there are some who insist there will be multiple raptures (and even though I do not subscribe to that) … based on the two scriptures …. At least part of the church is shown around the throne before the start of anything…..
Hello fellow watchers.
kjs , you make a very good point. I have to agree, but what I think is even more compelling, is that the first four chapters are real letters to real churches - this part of Revelation is more epistle than apocalyptic literature. Then, from the end of chapter 4, - the church is absent from the entire book, until the end. Hmmm.
I've heard of multiple resurrections in the Bible, but never ever heard of multiple raptures theory.
The thing is -***I'm not criticizing anyone, and it's not my intention to be divisive, but the thing about the theory of the first 5 seals being opened - there are 4 huge problems with this. 1. No one has been able to show from scripture, or history how the first seal was fulfilled/opened. There is no record of Christ ever being on a white horse. One of the reasons people missed him, was that horses were a symbol of power and wealth, -Kings, soldiers and Centurians , military officers rode horses. Christ came in on a donkey - not the image of a powerful Messiah. 2. All the first five seals are very nebulous- not specific at all. The Sixth seal however is very very specific - so explicitly specific that it's completely obvious that this has not occurred. We have had earthquakes, famine and death, and war since before Noah. 3. Since we have not seen 1/4 of the world's population killed (approximately 1.5 billion people, or about the entire population of Europe.) the only way to make this "opened" or fulfilled is to assume that this is a geographical area, not population - which is a huge stretch. 4. Those who believe that the seals have started are not able to give any trigger, which started or opened the first seal, nor are they able to point clearly to any event that caused the second, or third, or fourth seal to be opened.
What started the dominoes, and when did it occur? If this was Christ, - [which is what most speculate because he is wearing a crown and rides out to conquer] when did he ride a white horse?? no mention of this in scripture. This would mean that the first seal was opened 2000 years ago.
When was the third seal opened? Was it the massive Irish Potato famine, which killed millions or the great famine in India that killed tens of millions?
Maranatha,
Hello brothers and sisters, I dropped by to ask for prayer, I have my prostrate removed next Tuesday, I need all the prayers of the Saints. Amen. Brother disciple4life, as concerning the Seals and the White Horse, they have indeed not been opened. A White Horse stands for a "Conqueror" and we see the verses says he goes forth Conquering. Jesus in Revelation 19 will return as a Conqueror, so that solves both riding White Horses. Now as for the Seals in full. All of them are opened on day 1261, in the Middle of the week, thereby leaving 1260 days for the Beast to rule {42 months} as in 1260 + 1260 = 2520, and on day 1261 you actually have 1260 days left. So on day 1260, when the holy peoples are conquered {Dan. 12:7) there will be a time, times and half {1260 days} until all these Wonders End {Second Coming ends them}. The Seals are thus opened on day 1261 as follows, 1, 2, 3 and 4 show the coming 42 months Rule of the Beast, him Conquering for 42 months, taking away Peace {bringing war} for 42 months as the Red Horse, the AC/Beast bringing Famine for 42 months as the Black Horse and him bringing Death/Disease/Sickness over a 42 month period of time. They are all opened Boom, boom, boom, boom, because they are all future events, there is no waiting for them to be fulfilled, Jesus is releasing him to GO FORTH. The 5th Seal is the Martyrs testimony of the Beasts 42 month reign of tyranny and death, its opened on day 1261 also. Then comes the 6th Seal, God announcing His Wrath has arrived. This also happens on day 1261, thus when Satan is cast down to earth {Stars are cast down like untimely figs} he has exactly 1260 days to chase the Woman {Israel in Rev. ch. 12} just like the bible says. So all 6 seals are opened on day 1261, with 1260 days left so the Beast thus rules for 1260 days, Satan is cast down on this day also !! The 7th Seal is all 7 Trumps combined, it seems to be held up somewhat until the 144,000 {what I see as a Metaphor for ALL Israel} who are Fleeing Judea make it safely unto the Petra/Bozrah area. The Angel is told to not hurt the EARTH, SEA nor TREES {which is what the Trumps do} until the 144,000 {Fleeing Jews of 2-3 million} are protected. OK Brother, that's all I got, I just figured I would throw that in for all to think on. I haven't been to well lately, but I expect to be better shortly, God Bless. |
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Post by disciple4life on Nov 14, 2019 16:53:27 GMT -6
Hello rondonmonson, I pray for a full and speedy recovery after the surgery, and pray God guides the doctors. The view point you presented is very interesting. I really would love to know more. I'm trying to see things from a completely different position, - looking at theories that are even very different from how I was taught by my parents and taught in church ***I've been in 11 states and 3 countries and almost none even mention end times. It's interesting that I read recently from multiple sites that really there is only one verse that supports the idea of a 7 year tribulation, but that's what I've always been taught. Indeed, there are multiple passages in revelation and Daniel that show 3 1/2 years, and we have two separate day counts using the Hebrew/ lunar or prophetic calendar of 30 day months, that add up to 3 1/2 years. I'm not at all dogmatic, it's just one example of how I'm trying to look at other views. How did you come to this view/position? ** I'm specifically interested in the part of how 6 seals all open on day 1261 - half way point in the 7 years. Where do you see the extra 30 days in there. [As I'm sure you know, one of the day counts is 1290, which is 3 1/2 prophetic/ Hebrew years with a leap month added. Are there some scriptures that you understand teaches or implies this? I'm not challenging you at all - just interested to know more. Cordially - Your Scots-Irish-French-Jewish-American brother in Tennessee. ;-) Disciple4life |
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Post by rondonmonson on Nov 14, 2019 18:33:15 GMT -6
Hello rondonmonson , I pray for a full and speedy recovery after the surgery, and pray God guides the doctors. The view point you presented is very interesting. I really would love to know more. I'm trying to see things from a completely different position, - looking at theories that are even very different from how I was taught by my parents and taught in church ***I've been in 11 states and 3 countries and almost none even mention end times. It's interesting that I read recently from multiple sites that really there is only one verse that supports the idea of a 7 year tribulation, but that's what I've always been taught. Indeed, there are multiple passages in revelation and Daniel that show 3 1/2 years, and we have two separate day counts using the Hebrew/ lunar or prophetic calendar of 30 day months, that add up to 3 1/2 years. I'm not at all dogmatic, it's just one example of how I'm trying to look at other views. How did you come to this view/position? ** I'm specifically interested in the part of how 6 seals all open on day 1261 - half way point in the 7 years. Where do you see the extra 30 days in there. [As I'm sure you know, one of the day counts is 1290, which is 3 1/2 prophetic/ Hebrew years with a leap month added. Are there some scriptures that you understand teaches or implies this? I'm not challenging you at all - just interested to know more. Cordially - Your Scots-Irish-French-Jewish-American brother in Tennessee. ;-) Disciple4life Thanks brother, its funny you asked about the 30 extra days, that is how I got to a lot of my eschatology lately. I asked God after 25 years of being called unto Prophecy/Eschatology why I was seeimingly stuck in a rut and why there were so many interpretations of Babylon, the Harlot etc. etc. and I got this. "Ron, all you guys already know it all".......I was like, WOW. I understood what it mean right off the bat. In prophecy, we as young Christians DEFER to others and thus we take on many, many peoples "MEN'S TRADITIONS", just what Jesus warned the Pharisees about. So I understood, God was saying, just like in the Gospels, when you come to a problem, JUST ASK ME !!! So I forgot all my understandings and reread Revelation, Daniel etc. etc. and I just asked God simply to show me what it means, and it works !! Now as per the 30 days extra, hold on to your hat. This is not going to seem real, but it is. EVERYTHING IN THAT PASSAGE IS REVERSED fro what we perceive it to be. The Angel asks Jesus {the Man in Linen} in verse 6 how long will it be until these things end. Jesus thus answers a Time, time and half [time] or 1260 days. Daniel 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
{Second Coming ends these things}7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. So Jesus {Man in linen} says after the Jews are conquered there will be 1260 days left until all these wonders end {via the Second Coming of course}. Here is where people lose track of what the 1290 and 1335 mean. I have seen all manner of theories, conjectures/opinions what this means, but I just asked God at BOOM, I saw it right away, the 1290 has to come before the 1260 and thus the 1335 must come before both of them. Each number is a set number of days until THESE WONDERS END {Second Coming} Daniel's question in verse 8 proves this. Daniel 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
{He asks the SAME QUESTION the Angel did}9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. 11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
{Until these Wonders End....see verse 8/Second Coming}
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. I saw this right away, the 1290 could not come after the 1260, the AoD has to happen first else what good is the SIGN Jesus warned about in Matt. 24:15-17 ? Then I saw, well of course, verse 7 is about how many days it is until these wonders end or the Second Coming, and so likewise the 1290 is also how many days it is until these wonders end also or the Second Coming. Then I thought, but does this make any sense at all ? People are going to give me funny looks, LOL. So I tested it, of course, try the spirits. Will it hold up or was this just me getting out of line. Did the 1290 the Sacrifice being taken away 30 days BEFORE the Anti-Christ Conquered Jerusalem/Israel and the AoD being set up at the same time make sense ? Well it made sense in this, why would God give the Jews a sign whilst they are getting Conquered by the AC/Beast ? That never really made sense to me, the sign should be before the Beast conquers the holy peoples indeed, that would make more sense. But how can the Temple be defiled before the Beast conquers the holy peoples !! That seemed to be a quandary, but then again, he has a right hand man called the False Prophet, and from my studies, this will be a Jewish High Priest like unto Jason {real name Yeshua} whom Antiochus appointed as High Priest in place of Onias III, a pious High Priest who was Jason's real brother. Jason then tried to Hellenize the Jews and thus we got the Maccabean Revolt. So this coming False Prophet will be a Jewish High Priest who betrays his people just like Jason did, so Antiochus is a TYPE and so was his side kick Jason !! Now we can see how this end time 1290 event is going to happen. But first we have to look at the 1335 !! What is THE BLESSING of the 1335 ? It has to be SOMETHING that comes/shows up 1335 days before these Wonders End {Second Coming}. What could that be ? Lets see if the Two-witnesses work here. Do they show up BEFORE the 1260 Event ? {Day of the Lord}. Well yes, Malachi 4:5-5 says just that. Malachi 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:
6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse. So the Two-witnesses show up BEFORE the DOTL {1260 Event}. I had to thus see when they died, because both the Two-witnesses and the Beast have earthly offices of 1260 days. They die at the 6th Trump and the Beast dies at the 7th Vial, so that checked out, I was getting excited about my new find, everything was checking out !! So the Two-witbesses show up 1335 days BEFORE the Second Coming to turn Israel back unto God, do other scriptures say this ? Yes they do, Zechariah 13:8-9 shows 1/3 of Israel repenting, 2//3 not repenting and thus perishing, and that happens right before Jerusalem is Conquered in Zechariah 14:1-2. Another thought that occurred to me, how would the Jews in Matt. 24:15-17 understand that they should Flee Judea if they had not already of accepted Jesus as their Messiah, and thus understood that because thy were reading the "Forbidden Gospel" of Matthew and thus new to Flee Judea. So everything fit, the Two-witnesses must indeed show up BEFORE the DOTL. So Israel repents and starts worshiping Jesus, this False Prophet {Jewish High Priest} gets very angry and forbids these Jews from worshiping Jesus, maybe just in the Temple, but maybe in all of Israel, thus he "TAKES THE SACRIFICE AWAY" 30 days before the Beast Conquers Jerusalem/Israel. It hit me, Gabriel speaking about the end times would not be speaking about a PROFANE SACRIFICE being taken away, he would be speaking on God;s behalf about THE SACRIFICE being taken away !! Jesus Christ. Then this Jewish High Priest/False Prophet will place an IMAGE of the European President in the Temple of God also on the 1290, and thus 30 days before the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem to become the Beast the AoD sign to the Jews happens. But tye only way they can see this sign is 45 days before that, they REPENTED or ATONED as Dan. 9:24-27 says they must do during the 70th week. All of the Numbers are thus a set number of days from three different events until Jesus' Second Coming ENDS THESE WONDERS Daniel was being shown. The 1260 event thus takes on enormous importance in these end times. I have been studying these things for 35 years, no way I got this on my own. I just learned to ask God to show me again. |
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