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Post by bowman on May 31, 2019 21:39:18 GMT -6
Eph 6.11 - 17
Put on all the armor of God, for you to be able to stand against the deceit of the Devil, because fighting against flesh and blood is not to us, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers of this, The Darkness, against the spiritual powers of evil in the heavenly realms. Because of this, take up all of the armor of God that you may be able to resist in the evil day, and having worked out all things, to stand. Then stand firm, "having girded your loins about with Truth" and having put "on the breastplate of Righteousness," Isa. 11:5; 59:17 and having shod the feet with the preparation of the "gospel of peace." Isa. 52:7 Above all, taking up the shield of faith, with which you will be able to quench all the darts of the evil one being kindled. Also, take "the helmet of salvation," and the sword of the Spirit which is (the) Word(rhema) of God; Isa. 59:17 LXX-Isa. 11:4; MT-Isa. 49:2; LXX and MT-Hos. 6:5
Context seals the deal.
The reader is informed that a spiritual battle is going on….NOT between us and The Devil (because he is presently bound), but against the deceit (plural ‘methodeia’) of The Devil.
The text actually mentions an epithet for Satan, himself (The Darkness), and then lists-out the ‘powers’ of Satan that our battle is against – again, absolutely NO mention of it being with Satan, himself!
If this battle was against Satan, himself, then the text would have plainly said so, on a singular basis. Instead, the plural deceit is listed out in plural fashion demonstrating the demonic forces which are roaming free.
This passage ends with the way it started – reiterating that we are NOT in battle with Satan, himself, but the darts (plural ‘belē’), demons, that he is launching at us.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 22:15:43 GMT -6
Thanks bowman for your honest opening statement, I appreciate it. Is your view that satan is bound, but demons are on the loose?
I would disagree, but respect your view...I view satan as the leader of demons, roaming the earth having been thrown down as the dragon, persecuting the Woman (anti-semitism), and her offspring who hold to the testimony of Jesus (anti-Christian hatred and martyrdom)
And prowling about as a lion to devour.....
And overcoming the saints....
And shattering the power of the Holy people.....
But, whom we are immune to, as believers, because "greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world"
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Post by bowman on Jun 1, 2019 8:24:48 GMT -6
Thanks bowman for your honest opening statement, I appreciate it. Is your view that satan is bound, but demons are on the loose? I would disagree, but respect your view...I view satan as the leader of demons, roaming the earth having been thrown down as the dragon, persecuting the Woman (anti-semitism), and her offspring who hold to the testimony of Jesus (anti-Christian hatred and martyrdom) And prowling about as a lion to devour..... And overcoming the saints.... And shattering the power of the Holy people..... But, whom we are immune to, as believers, because "greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world"
Speak to scripture.
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Post by mike on Jun 1, 2019 9:13:20 GMT -6
bowman - I am not quite as studied as many. But I have questions that seemingly come up without much explanation. Question for you. Please help me understand. Why would Satan be bound but his minions be loosed? Seems a bit counter productive to me
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Post by bowman on Jun 1, 2019 9:29:05 GMT -6
bowman - I am not quite as studied as many. But I have questions that seemingly come up without much explanation. Question for you. Please help me understand. Why would Satan be bound but his minions be loosed? Seems a bit counter productive to me
The demons are the 'gatherers' for Satan.
Satan is bound now to let the peeps of planet earth come to Jesus.
If Satan were free, then peeps could not freely come to Jesus.
When the number of the fallen angels is completed, then Satan will be released, and the end of time will have come, as he only needs to possess one person to end planet earth with today's technology...
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Post by mike on Jun 1, 2019 9:37:34 GMT -6
Bowman what reference (scripture) is there for a number of fallen angels to be met?
If Satan is bound today, when is he released? Also please help me understand the reference verses for that. Appreciate it
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Post by bowman on Jun 1, 2019 10:27:39 GMT -6
Bowman what reference (scripture) is there for a number of fallen angels to be met? If Satan is bound today, when is he released? Also please help me understand the reference verses for that. Appreciate it
Scripture declares that 1/3 of the angels fell with Satan. Why bother to make mention of that figure if it had no value?
Jesus, Himself, told us in Mat 24 that terrible things would occur BEFORE the end comes, and BEFORE the release of the 'abomination of desolation' (i.e. Satan).
Jesus lists-out many things occurring BEFORE the release of Satan....false prophets, wars, rumors of wars, nation set against nation, famine, plagues, earthquakes, the killing of Christians, etc...
So....what we are seeing today IS to be expected, per scripture.
But....
When Satan is unbound, we will see, for a brief period, 'great affliction, such as has not happened from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever will be.'
Everything going on in the world today has been seen played-out in various forms for thousands of years.
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Post by venge on Jun 1, 2019 13:16:22 GMT -6
Bowman what reference (scripture) is there for a number of fallen angels to be met? If Satan is bound today, when is he released? Also please help me understand the reference verses for that. Appreciate it
Scripture declares that 1/3 of the angels fell with Satan. Why bother to make mention of that figure if it had no value?
Jesus, Himself, told us in Mat 24 that terrible things would occur BEFORE the end comes, and BEFORE the release of the 'abomination of desolation' (i.e. Satan).
Jesus lists-out many things occurring BEFORE the release of Satan....false prophets, wars, rumors of wars, nation set against nation, famine, plagues, earthquakes, the killing of Christians, etc...
So....what we are seeing today IS to be expected, per scripture.
But....
When Satan is unbound, we will see, for a brief period, 'great affliction, such as has not happened from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever will be.'
Everything going on in the world today has been seen played-out in various forms for thousands of years.
Where does scripture teach 1/3rd of angels fell? Apocrypha does but not the Bible. REV 12 mentions the dragons tail sweeping 1/3rd of the stars. (asteron) as not a literal planet/star but figurative. Secondly, if this is your ref. stars are identified as heavenly angels and as men. But you are guessing they are fallen angels and there is nothing here to say that. Which are Wicked men Unless you are referring to Jude 1:6 And even here, the word angels is defined on biblehubs interlinear as: ággelos – properly, a messenger or delegate – either human (Mt 11:10; Lk 7:24, 9:52; Gal 4:14; Js 2:25) or heavenly (a celestial angel); someone sent (by God) to proclaim His message. It is not conclusive. Speculation from outside works like Enoch is feeding yourself food sacrificed to idols as if an outside work's word is on par with God's word. I caution you, works outside the Bible, can be read but don't add them to God's word if that is what you are trying to do. You said: You are referring to after the millennial reign. We are not in it. Christ has not yet come and the rapture has not happened. People said that to Eusebius, in his works, when he preached the gospel and he said they had a devil. When Satan is sealed we are told: Sorry, but the nations are still deceived to this day. There is crime, murder, rape, destruction and so on....even our own Government puts a heavy yoke on its neighbors. Satan is still deceiving. He is not sealed. That is because AFTER Christ reigns, AFTER the nations are healed and no longer deceived, AFTER the rapture, AFTER the tribulation, AFTER every eye will "SEE HIM" then we see: Then Satan will be unsealed. Just one poblem, it hasn't happen yet. You said in another thread you study often. You know that Satan is "adversary" and the adversary has not left since the Roman empire, the crusades, WW1 and WW2 all the way to today. |
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Post by bowman on Jun 1, 2019 15:56:09 GMT -6
Scripture declares that 1/3 of the angels fell with Satan. Why bother to make mention of that figure if it had no value?
Jesus, Himself, told us in Mat 24 that terrible things would occur BEFORE the end comes, and BEFORE the release of the 'abomination of desolation' (i.e. Satan).
Jesus lists-out many things occurring BEFORE the release of Satan....false prophets, wars, rumors of wars, nation set against nation, famine, plagues, earthquakes, the killing of Christians, etc...
So....what we are seeing today IS to be expected, per scripture.
But....
When Satan is unbound, we will see, for a brief period, 'great affliction, such as has not happened from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever will be.'
Everything going on in the world today has been seen played-out in various forms for thousands of years.
Where does scripture teach 1/3rd of angels fell? Apocrypha does but not the Bible. REV 12 mentions the dragons tail sweeping 1/3rd of the stars. (asteron) as not a literal planet/star but figurative. Secondly, if this is your ref. stars are identified as heavenly angels and as men. But you are guessing they are fallen angels and there is nothing here to say that.
Rev 12 declares that 1/3 of the angels (stars) were cast to the earth. The same term is used of the angels that Jesus holds in His Right Hand, in Revelation. Further, the lexicons confirm that these 'stars' are angels. Further still, the authors of the koran (which is >75% Book of Revelation material) copied this into their opus as angels...
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Post by bowman on Jun 1, 2019 16:01:27 GMT -6
You said: You are referring to after the millennial reign. We are not in it. Christ has not yet come and the rapture has not happened. People said that to Eusebius, in his works, when he preached the gospel and he said they had a devil. When Satan is sealed we are told:
Satan was bound at The Cross, as told in legions of Biblical passages.
We are in the 1k reign with Christ right now... 
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Post by bowman on Jun 1, 2019 16:08:20 GMT -6
Sorry, but the nations are still deceived to this day. There is crime, murder, rape, destruction and so on....even our own Government puts a heavy yoke on its neighbors. Satan is still deceiving. He is not sealed. That is because AFTER Christ reigns, AFTER the nations are healed and no longer deceived, AFTER the rapture, AFTER the tribulation, AFTER every eye will "SEE HIM" then we see:
There is evil in the world today because the demons are still roaming free...NOT because Satan is roaming free.
Be thankful of what Jesus did for you on The Cross....as God of this world.
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Post by davewatchman on Jun 1, 2019 16:40:35 GMT -6
When the number of the fallen angels is completed, then Satan will be released, and the end of time will have come, as he only needs to possess one person to end planet earth with today's technology...
I didn't hear this one before. Do you think the angels are still switching over into demons? Is this your original material? Satan was bound at The Cross, as told in legions of Biblical passages. We are in the 1k reign with Christ right now... Interesting. I think you're closer now than you think. I think the 42 months of Revelation 13 has just finished, the great river Euphrates is drying up and we're getting close to the end of the silence in Heaven for about the space of a half a hora. But if we are already in the 1K reign with Christ, who are the beheaded saints, which had not worshipped the beast, that have come back to life and are ruling with Christ? "And I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
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Post by cwood85 on Jun 1, 2019 17:22:51 GMT -6
Sorry, but the nations are still deceived to this day. There is crime, murder, rape, destruction and so on....even our own Government puts a heavy yoke on its neighbors. Satan is still deceiving. He is not sealed. That is because AFTER Christ reigns, AFTER the nations are healed and no longer deceived, AFTER the rapture, AFTER the tribulation, AFTER every eye will "SEE HIM" then we see: There is evil in the world today because the demons are still roaming free...NOT because Satan is roaming free. Be thankful of what Jesus did for you on The Cross....as God of this world.
I am not so sure you quiet know what Jesus did on the cross. Satan was not the god of this world, but was the ruler as Jesus says with his own mouth. There is a gross misunderstanding that this is happening between God, Satan and demons:  That^^^^ is not happening. Jesus and Satan are not and have never been in “combat” with one another over us. John the Baptist made it crystal clear what Jesus was and did accomplish both on the cross and at his resurrection. ”Behold the lamb of God who takes away the SIN of the world!” <<<<<< I don’t see any mention of Satan in there, do you? Let’s see more of what Jesus accomplished for the world and what we should be thankful for. Jesus/Yeshua means God is Salvation. That does not or imply at all God saved our souls from the devil. That means God is our salvation, he is our life, he is everything. He is the only way to not be forever lost to death. What are the wages of sin? Torture by Satan and his demons? Satan getting to keep a tally of how many souls his has compared to God? Bologna. “For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.”The wages of sin is Satan and doom to him? No, that’s not what is said there either. It’s implied by that is the case by many, but not all. “For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.”
“For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.”
“For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.”
^^^^^^Don’t see anything in that verse about Satan blocking us or harboring our souls because of sin. I see all have sinned because of Adam, and because one man who was perfect and loves us so much, died the most horrific death to cleanse us of sin. He gave us life by God resurrecting him. The first fruit from death to life. To prove death has no power over God, sin has not power over God and that God is salvation 💗 The death on the cross didn’t bind Satan so he could no longer block or prevent us from coming to Christ, it fulfilled the law that we could not, nailed it to the cross so God can be with us. This was all part of the plan and will of God. The lamb who was slain before the foundation of the world to wash creation of sin. That is the beautiful simplicity of this and why it is referenced as being so easy a child can understand. God simply wants us. He loves his creation and will one day be all in all. Satan is not blocking or preventing any of plan or will of God and above all, has no say or power to block that from happening. “For it is written, "AS I LIVE, SAYS THE LORD, EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW TO ME, AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL GIVE PRAISE TO GOD." <<<<< This is NOT an act of force, but an act of acceptance and worship. Stop giving Satan and demonic spirits credit and power they do not harbor or can will. Can they deceive, yes you bet, can they wreak havoc in our lives through spiritual attacks in many forms, yep. But we are the ultimate factor in whether or not we give into the temptation. Our pride blinds and fools us into thinking we can get away or be in charge of the consequences of our choices. The gospel is the good news! It is not an ultimatum of do or die or a ticket out of the hellbound express! The good news is God takes the responsibility for our salvation. That is what we should be thankful for! We are not responsible enough to do this for ourselves and that was the whole purpose of the law, to prove that. He is a good father and a good and loving father never gives up on his children. Our biggest battle is with ourselves in truly understanding and resting in this. We are the 1 that he leaves the 99 to rescue, the hidden treasure in the field that he sold everything for. Christ isn’t a ticket we hold in our hand to wave around for everyone to see or a blockage that finally worked for Satan so he cannot collect any more souls. He is life, love and all that is good. His is the truth and the light and no darkness is found in him. |
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Post by bowman on Jun 1, 2019 17:38:19 GMT -6
When the number of the fallen angels is completed, then Satan will be released, and the end of time will have come, as he only needs to possess one person to end planet earth with today's technology...
I didn't hear this one before. Do you think the angels are still switching over into demons? Is this your original material?
I wouldn't go so far as to say that angels are switching to demons, as demons are already fallen angels, per scripture.
Seems pretty apparent that the Universe was created to continue the original spiritual war that started in Heaven.
That is why we are here....to continue that war.
Scripture also seems to indicate that we were already once in Heaven, as it mentions our return to Heaven and God. How could we return to God if we had never been with Him to begin with? Something to gnaw on....
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Post by bowman on Jun 1, 2019 17:41:27 GMT -6
Satan was bound at The Cross, as told in legions of Biblical passages. We are in the 1k reign with Christ right now... Interesting. I think you're closer now than you think. I think the 42 months of Revelation 13 has just finished, the great river Euphrates is drying up and we're getting close to the end of the silence in Heaven for about the space of a half a hora. But if we are already in the 1K reign with Christ, who are the beheaded saints, which had not worshipped the beast, that have come back to life and are ruling with Christ? "And I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
The 1k reign is also referred to as The First Resurrection.
We are in the First Resurrection right now....which ends upon Jesus' return.....of which, The Second Resurrection starts...
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