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Post by bowman on Jun 1, 2019 7:54:53 GMT -6
1) Satan was bound in Rev. 12:8 when he was cast out of heaven.
Rev 12.8 only mentions that Satan was not strong enough, and no place was found in Heaven for him.
No mention of being bound...
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Post by bowman on Jun 1, 2019 7:57:50 GMT -6
2) Satan was bound in Rev. 9:4 from hurting the saints that have the seal of God in their foreheads.
Rev 9.4 refers to the demons, not Satan.
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Post by bowman on Jun 1, 2019 8:01:01 GMT -6
3) Satan was bound in Rev. 19:20 when his beast and false prophet was cast alive into a lake of fire. Where is Satan, himself, mentioned?
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Post by bowman on Jun 1, 2019 8:03:26 GMT -6
However, in terms of binding Satan from the people of the earth it is Rev. 20:2 that addresses this binding.
Rev 20 is in the Greek aorist, completed action.
Its NOT a future event, it was a PAST event.
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Post by bowman on Jun 1, 2019 8:07:29 GMT -6
That is, when Satan was bound at the cross he was bound from being victorious against Christ and not bound from tempting mankind as referenced in Rev. 20:2.
You keep using Rev 20 as your premise, thinking that it is a future event, when the Greek clearly mandates that it is a past event.
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Post by bowman on Jun 1, 2019 8:11:10 GMT -6
Take for instance Rev. 12:12 that I believe states the three woes of Chapters 9-11. In the first case the saints are told to rejoice and this is the first woe (notice Rev. 9:4). In the second case the woe is pronounced upon the inhabitants of the earth (notice Rev. 9:15), and in the third case the woe is pronounced upon the inhabitants of the sea (notice 11:18). But more than that "the devil is come down unto you having great wrath" (KJV). In other words, Satan is not bound from coming to those of the earth and the sea that are upon the earth here in the latter days wherein his time is short. Additionally, he "persecuted the woman which brought forth the man-child" (Rev. 12:13) and while this has multiple implications the main one is that he persecuted the church of Christ after Christ paid his atoning sacrifice. Again, you loose your argument since to persecute the church after Christ was on the cross means that Satan is not bound from that conduct.
Revelation repeats events like a symphony repeats a musical theme in various harmonies.
Same material stated repeatedly, using various epithets...
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Post by boraddict on Jun 1, 2019 9:58:15 GMT -6
Your position that Satan was bound at the cross seems elementary because Christ was victorious at the cross and we all know this. However, "bound" in that context is not the same as bound in Rev. 20:2. It's like saying "deer" and meaning terms of endearment to a spouse and not the animal. So bound at the cross and bound at Rev. 20:2 are two entirely different things.
Scripture uses many terms to describe the predicament that Satan was placed in, at The Cross.
The lexicons all show the same things, that Satan was rendered impotent, i.e. he was bound.
Rev 20 is in the Greek aorist, completed action.
It already took place..... What is this; "lexicons"? Are you kidding me? I thought that I was in a debate with a true analyst. You are better than this Bowman. Pick a Bible version and that only for our basis of conversation and not the opinion of others and be willing to accept defeat when you loose. One verse only; your best one. For me, Rev. 20:2 is the elephant in the room and here is the KJV, "And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years," You are saying that Jesus on the cross is laying hold of the dragon and binding him a thousand years is not really a thousand years but more than two thousand nineteen years. Bowman, you are better than this and if you do not move up to the plate then your debate with a true analyst that is myself will be over. It is not worth my time to point out the obvious to those not willing to see. You could be so good at what God has called you to do if only you were willing to learn. This site, Unsealed, is a place of learning that God has established for us and we are each others teachers. Please be a peace Bowman and learn.
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Post by bowman on Jun 1, 2019 10:18:30 GMT -6
Scripture uses many terms to describe the predicament that Satan was placed in, at The Cross.
The lexicons all show the same things, that Satan was rendered impotent, i.e. he was bound.
Rev 20 is in the Greek aorist, completed action.
It already took place..... What is this; "lexicons"? Are you kidding me? I thought that I was in a debate with a true analyst. You are better than this Bowman. Pick a Bible version and that only for our basis of conversation and not the opinion of others and be willing to accept defeat when you loose. One verse only; your best one. For me, Rev. 20:2 is the elephant in the room and here is the KJV, "And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,"
Any serious student of scripture uses the original Biblical languages when studying the word...
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Post by bowman on Jun 1, 2019 10:20:21 GMT -6
Scripture uses many terms to describe the predicament that Satan was placed in, at The Cross.
The lexicons all show the same things, that Satan was rendered impotent, i.e. he was bound.
Rev 20 is in the Greek aorist, completed action.
It already took place..... You are saying that Jesus on the cross is laying hold of the dragon and binding him a thousand years is not really a thousand years but more than two thousand nineteen years. Bowman, you are better than this and if you do not move up to the plate then your debate with a true analyst that is myself will be over. It is not worth my time to point out the obvious to those not willing to see. You could be so good at what God has called you to do if only you were willing to learn.
If you take the 1k as a literal 1,000 years, then you must also believe that Satan is released for 1 hour (exactly 60 minutes) during the end times...
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Post by Natalie on Jun 1, 2019 10:28:02 GMT -6
Reference verse for that? Although Bora probably knows; she really likes Rev
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Post by yardstick on Jun 1, 2019 11:37:46 GMT -6
Thread is locked for review.
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Post by mike on Jun 3, 2019 10:44:50 GMT -6
bowman it seems to me that no matter what evidence is given you are holding a differing view. The script in 1 Pet 5:8 clearly is devil, not A demon. J
What evidence to the contrary are you referring to?
I have already provided my exegesis for 1 Peter 5.8 pertaining to a demon, and not Satan.
Please rebut this and show your exegesis to the contrary....otherwise it must stand.....thanks..
Although the thread is currently locked, it can be unlocked for civil dialogue. Bowman is free to expound on his position regarding the binding of Satan, however the position aligns with that of Amillenism. However one must better educate themselves prior to engaging in a debate or discussion where one party has knowledge of or already is a subject matter expert. The concept of Satan being bound is based on the Amillennial view of Revelation, where the entire book is taken out of order, in grouping(s) placing ch 20 in another spot and certainly not after ch 19 (where it more naturally fits). With that I did a little research on the topic and found this interesting article which does answer several questions and addresses the one asked to me specifically "show your exegesis to the contrary..." I will allow this article to show the exegesis, refuting the position that, in the above Bowman believes should stand. The thread will be unlocked tomorrow provided dialogue can be civil and brotherly. ALthough there is a clear difference between the viewpoints, discussion can still be held or at least agree to disagree and move to more uplifting conversations as possible. EDIT - Still under moderator review. In our effort to have dialogue we were violating Rule 1 Thank you for pointing this out venge
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