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Post by barbiosheepgirl on May 21, 2019 8:49:55 GMT -6
This thread can be a short one. It is meant as a summary. 1A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; 2and she was with child
3Then another sign appeared in heaven: and behold, a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads were seven diadems.
1Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels who had seven plagues, which are the last, because in them the wrath of God is finished.
I see here a Beginning story a Middle story and an End story. To me these are Time Markers. Example being the Wrath (7 plagues) would begin/or end? in a "winter" or perhaps, in a November or whenever Pleides is most prevelant. Being Time Markers they are to tell us A, B and C. I see it as we were "told" by the Heavens that we have left Pentacost and have entered Tabernacles. I believe we will see many things yet, but not until the latter part of 7 years post Sign perhaps. To me the Sign of 9/23/17 indeed was the marker of Rev 12:1, yet we go about life and are not able to distinguish physical events as specific things in Rev (or Daniel for those watching thru Daniel). so, for now, it was a marker, and there will be something that happens that falls into a perfect Time to that Sign after a set Time. Because: The maji were looking and then they saw the conjunction and it fit there calculations, maybe in hindsight, maybe in foresight, but it got them walking and going to seek the King. (kinda like what happened to a bunch of us who are desiring to See our Lord Return. That Sign was a Marker for those Seeking His Return). Likewise, the dragon was or is yet a sign. I thought schooldad had a pretty good presentation once, but I can not recall what he said, and Gary had published a screenshot, I thought it was interesting, but cant remember the dates. It's this sign that I do not know which one it is, draco? serpens? Were or are there conjunctions within it or extra "stars" (planets?) in there to fit this description that John was shown? Third Sign. It tells me that it is the Wrath Sign. It is a fall event, which makes sense since Grapes are harvested in the fall, I view the Winepress and the Wrath, and because of the term "bowls" and that it is the final element of the Last Supper (Wine). Pleides seems to be the sign for the Third Sign imho, but is that correct? *It seems the Sign of 9/23 was a FoT event. Makes sense since we are leaving or have left "Pentacost" and are entering the Tabernacle Period. We have been in Pentacost because of what happened when Christ rose and commissioned His Followers to make "Followers of Me" (walking in the Holy Spirit). *Makes me think the second sign would also be found in the fall, and btween a FoT and the final day of Atonement. *The location of Pleides would mark the Final day of Atonement. If Pleides is not an October event, then we need to look forward to the Feast time that occurs in November (which it does happen). I think the entire Fall feast can start as early as in early Sept and as late as into latter part of October. This latter case puts DoA in November (when Wikipedia says Pleides has come onto the scene) Has anyone mapped these 3 signs out? I would suggest a 21 year span. (three 7's) Just a thought. I am not good at operating my stelarium app... Or, has anyone fit it all into this current 7 years form 9/23? Just curious. What if these three signs occur and we are still in the situation we are in right now? That means we need to identify Pleides correctly, as once we have that Marker pinpointed, Jesus should be showing up. I can here one of the Maji saying this: "Ya know, we are coming into the final "week" of the 62 week part of that guy Daniel's prophecy..and according to our stellar maps look at what Jupiter and Venus will be doing!" When we see this conjunction we will know!!" and hence they saw it and hence they started seeking His Arrival and found Him NOTE: venge please refrain from commenting against the idea of looking to the glory found in the heavenlies. (Psalm 19). Some of us see the handiwork of God in everything, including the stars, sun and moon. |
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Post by Natalie on May 21, 2019 9:38:22 GMT -6
My thoughts... Rev 12:1-2 were clearly seen as the woman in the stars. Rev 12:3-4 I think, took place with the meteor shower Oct 7-8 last year, confirmed by the appearance of Hurricane Michael. Gary did a good article on it. Rev 15:1 This could be a sign with Pleiades, but to me it needs to be something more than that. I get the seven stars equals seven angels, but Pleiades is always there. It's called "great and amazing" or "great and marvelous". Rev 12:1-2, Virgo is always there, but the other parts are not. So, it had to be a special arrangement. I believe Rev 15:1 has to be something that is not ordinarily there either. I have found something on Stellarium that I think is interesting, but I am sure it's just a matter of waiting to see how things play out. In May 2024 (which is around 6 1/2 years from the Rev 12 sign) in an area known as the Celestial Sea, lots of things are lined up...Jupiter, Uranus, the Sun, Venus, Mercury, Mars, Neptune, Saturn, and the Moon. Uranus and Neptune are not visible to the naked eye, but it got my attention that all the planets, plus the sun and moon are all in the same part of the sky. And, right in front of this line is Taurus and Pleiades. So, seven planets, seven angels? Is the moon representing the church? The sun makes the "sea of glass mingled with fire". Pleiades would be those who "conquered the beast..standing beside the sea of glass (15:2) (Doesn't Pleiades stand for "the congregation" or something like that?) At the time I saw this on Stellarium, I posted here at Unsealed and @sam helped out. He knew, or found out, that the area of the sky all of this is taking place in is the Celestial Sea. Even taking out Uranus and Neptune, there are still seven heavenly bodies there. I don't know if it is the sign in Rev 15, but it sure resembles it to me. But how long from the time a sign appears to when what it signifies happens? I think this is the part we are struggling with, at least I know I am. I'll see if I can get a screen shot. I'm on a new laptop and it's got different programs and operating system than I am used to.
ETA: I edited my attachment. This is looking from Jerusalem. I labeled Neptune and Pleiades. Neptune is under the label for Mars. It's interesting to pull it up on Stellarium and scroll through May 3-11 and watch the moon move past each planet.)
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Post by venge on May 21, 2019 10:03:08 GMT -6
NOTE: venge please refrain from commenting against the idea of looking to the glory found in the heavenlies. (Psalm 19). Some of us see the handiwork of God in everything, including the stars, sun and moon. Grrr!   I sent you a PM Barbiosheep to express my thoughts on this. |
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on May 21, 2019 10:35:45 GMT -6
cant help it venge, it was impressed upon me to see the SIGNifigance of the 3 Signs while I was deep in the 3 Woe revealings. |
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Post by Natalie on May 21, 2019 10:42:59 GMT -6
One question for you barbiosheepgirl , you said that the Rev 15 sign is a fall sign. How do you come by that? Is it because that's when Pleiades is visible? (guess that's two questions.  ) |
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on May 21, 2019 12:20:55 GMT -6
Yes because the internet says it is one constellation visible in the winter late fall. It was a navigational sign so is very connected w sea ships nautical stuff for indicating a time for sea travel. I am totally paraphrasing and on my phone now.
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Post by Natalie on May 21, 2019 19:52:38 GMT -6
But when does it go from being just Pleiades to being a sign? When does it become "great and marvelous"? How would we know that it has suddenly become a sign?
I think there has to be more to it.
And consider Virgo...Virgo is visible in the night sky right now (or would be if it ever stopped raining), but when she was part of the sign she was only visible by something like Stellarium (or partially before sunrise and after sunset). I also think it is possible that John was able to see with his eyes what we have to use technology for.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 21:27:27 GMT -6
Hi all! I have been really busy at work, and my apologies for not contributing so much....
I took the videos down that I had posted earlier, but still have the powerpoints and can send them if you like.......I took the videos down because I was more focused on Daniel's 70th week than rapture timing.....I have been waiting for further evidence, a second witness, to the strengthening of the plan to divide the Land, and it appears this is imminent....so, the hypothesis is intact. I don't believe all the elements of Daniel 9:24 have been satisfied...especially the sealing up of all vision and prophecy, there is much still on the table, for instance Amos 9:14-15 and the Abomination of Desolation referenced by Jesus as THE main sign of His coming and the end of the age in the Olivet Discourse
I believe the heavenly sign of the Seven Angels is manifest from 3-11 May 2024.....as explained in the powerpoint, and as suggested oringinally by Natalie!
I also believe there are compelling points that can be made which suggest the year of crucifixion was 32 AD...I can provide this powerpoint as well. Ancient calendars are challenging....for instance, it is said that April 14, 32 AD was Monday....how could this be since the Julian 7 day calendar was not in effect in Israel at the time, and the Romans in peripheral territories were following The Nundinal 8 day calendar? The days of the week were not named by planets yet, so can we know it was a Monday? The answer is that we cannot know it was a Monday. The earliest historical evidence we have is from graffiti from Pompeii in 60 AD, which named February 6 as a Sunday, but counting back by Julian days would have been a Wednesday......the answer lies in planetary hours, the Roman Day beginning in the morning, and the Jewish day beginning in the evening....so, a Monday by Julian accounting, would have been a 5th day of the week, or a Thursday, by Jewish reckoning.......this is explained in the powerpoint....
The futurist view is alive and well, and not dependent on faulty hermeneutics, is well supported by many thoughtful believers, is congruent with the Biblical Hebrew.
shalom!
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 20:12:37 GMT -6
dont know if I attached the screenshot right or not....test not really, it took out the lines from the powerpoint slide, but it does show the alignment of the 7 know moving heavenly objects, "angels" over the celestial sea in a straight or smooth line, the sun being one given the appearance of a sea of glass mixed with fire....and, Pleiades is "standing" on the line. The possible sign actually lasts from 3-11 May 2024, 33 days after the eclipse on 6 April 2024, and 12+33 = 45 days before Pesach Sheni on 23 May. This is the second eclipse to cross the USA in the 7 year period from 2017-2024. The first on 21 Aug 2017 was 33 days before the sign of the Woman in Labor on 23 Sept 2017, and 12+33 =45 days before Tabernacles 2017...thus completing a perfect parallelogram for the 7 year period between eclipses, heavenly signs, and major Jewish feasts Can someone advise me how to post powerpoint slides, thanks! Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 20:32:00 GMT -6
 The glassy sea mixed with fire...present from 3-11 May 2024 in the celestial sky |
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Post by Natalie on May 22, 2019 21:02:51 GMT -6
@sam, Wow, I had forgotten that it was 33 days after the eclipse just as 9/23 was 33 days after the first one.
Not sure on how to post powerpoints.
I know Uranus and Neptune are not visible with the naked eye, but they are on star programs. I guess I'm wondering if the sun would represent an angel and also be what provides the fire for the sea?
Here's my photo with Uranus and Neptune's location labeled. When I originally saved this screen shot, Stellarium had labeled Uranus but not Neptune. So, I labeled Neptune and Pleiades.
I find it amazing that all the moving objects are all together.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 21:23:32 GMT -6
Great screen shot Natalie! That's it.....the line up in May 2024...it's amazing the symmetry of the timelines of the 2 eclipses of 2017 and 2024 from the eclipse to the possible sign, then to a major Jewish feast! It's hard to believe it's a coincidence!
I cannot figure out how to copy a slide from the powerpoint and duplicate it here....I can paste it on Word exactly with the annotations, but not here....
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on May 23, 2019 8:41:36 GMT -6
This is the info I was after! I agree Nat that it just can't be pleides alone. This is pretty cool really, especially the 33 day aspect.
so, going back to my premise: are we given this sandwich of solar eclipses, and the "3 signs", set in motion to happen this way LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG Ago...unless the stars and planets moved randomly at one point in time and this is unknown to us, this pattern was EXPECTED and is and has been calculable. Even coming after the moon not giving its light on 4 Feasts, prior to the 1st Solar eclipse. WOW. We have the tools now to see these things. We no longer guide our travels by the sky like people did in the old days, having to know that knowledge for navigation, but gps systems or whatever can guide us now. Pretty amazing that this info CAN BE looked for ahead of time because the Clock above is SET! It is On Time, it is Patterned.
so, do we expect anything to happen before 2024? OR is it that we are given the 3 patterns first and then things begin to happen?
I find one thing to say, the set of eclipses of a 7 year span, crisscrossing over "little Egypt" "... the Carbondale area – referred to as ‘Little Egypt’ – get such a celestial jackpot? Not only will the USA experience a Total Solar Eclipse on August 21, 2017, but another will sweep through seven years later on on April 8, 2024. Carbondale is close to the point of greatest duration, and at 13:20 p.m. CDT Totality will last for 2 minutes and 38 seconds. In 2024, it’s over 4 minutes, but the chances of having a clear view of Totality is much greater in 2017 since the 2024 event occurs during a typically cloudy part of the year."
is interesting to me on a set of things:
1) why over the USA? Even the Blood Moon tetrad was not seen over Israel either. quoting from Israel today: "The scheduled appearance of four total lunar eclipses on major Jewish holidays between this Monday night (the start of Passover 2014) and September 27, 2015 (the start of Sukkot) has the attention of much of the Christian world. But the eclipses are going to go almost totally unseen in Israel."
I have read many saying the US is not in the bible, we are not the focus, etc. Yet, are we not THE proclaimed Christian nation of the world? I think about that often. I think about those who want to limit God in our governemtn, taking down the 10 commandments, taking In God We Trust off our bills. NO prayer at highschool sporting events, the list goes on.
2) we will either be coming out of a 2nd trump term with Pence elected? would he run? , or the end of a 1st term democrat (who likely took us in an opposite direction those 4 years from where we are going right now) and will that person be starting a 2nd term? does this matter?
@sam , I will likely not come to agree with you on the 70th week, nor the year of the death of Christ, but you and I can find agreement with this topic of the Signs, how's that?
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Post by Natalie on May 23, 2019 13:45:26 GMT -6
I look at it this way...for the longest time it was thought that Rev 12:1-2 was in the middle of the Time of Jacob's Trouble. Then we find out it is an actual sign on a specific date. For whatever reason, God made it align on that day. Above all, I believe that it glorifies Him. He puts things in motion, sustains things, works through men to accomplish His plans, and here we are being able to see a sign that was spoken of almost 2000 years ago. Amazing.
Maybe it was a sign, along with the eclipse, to get us to look up. To know that time is short, and what is described in Rev is about to start. I have no idea why God would put a big X on the US. I think it's important; I just am not sure why. It could be a warning. Like in Jeremiah 18 where it talks about God's declarations concerning nations. (18:7-10) I do believe that God planted this nation and we have been greatly used by Him, but as a nation we have been slowing turning to evil instead. It could be that America's time is up. But I'm just making a guess.
So, from 2017 to 2024 is seven years, but just as 9/23 was not the rapture, the sign in 2024 is not the Second Coming. (That much is evidenced by the text) But I see it as a sign that the return of Jesus is near. "For with them the wrath of God is finished." Could it take 2 years for the things from Rev 15-19 to take place? Maybe. There is a lot going on. So, if the rapture takes place this year, 2 years after the first sign, and the Second coming takes place 2 years after the Rev 15 sign, that's 7 years. We also have the verse "if those days had not been cut short..." So, maybe it doesn't take two years from 2024 until the Second Coming.
I'm pretty much to the point where I am just sitting back, listening for the trumpet and watching how everything is playing out.
I do not think that we will still be waiting in 2024 for things to get started.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on May 24, 2019 8:42:43 GMT -6
@sam, perhaps or Natalie, can you or someone reading post all three screen shots? |
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