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Post by uscgvet on Aug 10, 2020 20:48:07 GMT -6
Here let me put this verse in a new light (I'm not injecting my or anyone else's opinion here):
Ezekiel 28:2 because: 1) thine heart a)is lifted up and 2) thou has said: a) I am a God b) I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas
--- Compared to ---
Romans 10:9 That if thou 1)shalt confess with thy mouth a)the Lord Jesus and 2) shalt believe in thine heart a)that God hath raised him from the dead, 3)thou shalt be saved.
Notice the 2 colors are backwards from each other... Interesting...
-------------------------------------------------------------------- // Now I'm injecting my opinion // javascript version KJV 1611
var heart = ''; var said = '';
function savedOrMan (heart, said){
//Ezekiel 28:2 if(heart = 'lifted up'){ if(said = 'I am God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas') { return 'thou art a man, and not God' } }
//Romans 9:9 if(said = 'the Lord Jesus'){ if( heart = 'that God hath raised him from the dead') { return 'thou shalt be saved' } } }
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Post by mike on Aug 10, 2020 20:50:35 GMT -6
The AC must stand in the holy place. Jesus and Paul make it pretty clear. When you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel... It must be seen, not just perceived or understood in allegories. I think, as a separate discussion, more needs to be looked at with that verse in the Greek with regards to Matthew and Luke. Ok feel free... Note i edited my post after you quoted
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 10, 2020 21:26:22 GMT -6
So, because I said 11 commentators all said the same thing that now I get hit with a quote saying I will be judged? Are you a brother in Christ who wants to learn and teach and is this not the place to talk about such things? It appears you are trying to scare me with a verse that has nothing to do with the subject matter we are on which is Ezekiel 28:2 I'd rather we focus on that and act like men who have great love and patience in our hearts. You didn't agree with me, that is why I posted all the commentators. The general consensus is what they said. If you disagree, you are free to write them and explain how they are misinterpreting scripture. But as long as we are here, I'd rather discuss and learn in a loving manner. There is much to learn from others that we can verify in the word. Just today, I learned something from barbiosheepgirl regarding those who sacrifice Christ back on the cross a second time. The way it was explained, I had never thought of it that way and it made me smile. I enjoy learning things from people when I can verify them in the word. That is what we should be doing here. I see why it looked bad... that's frustrating... Sorry man. It was not my intent to judge you personally. I was attempting to judge the verse using the Word of God to be justified, unaltered, not using opinions of myself or others to alter the meaning. In simpler terms: What does God say vs what does man say. Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. (I'm thinking this verse when I see opinion. It's a habit. Hopefully a good one. I didn't mean it to upset you.) That is what I was attempting and failed to convey. Now, my unjustified (Romans 3:4) opinion: Was it God's purpose to spiritualize part of or the whole meaning of the Ez verse or even the whole passage? I don't believe so. It just looks like it's a public notice from God addressed to the lawless one (price of Tyrus) and Lucifer himself (king of Tyrus). I don't believe there is any need to read any person's commentary on that opinion of the identity of these two, verse 12, 13, and 14 make it quite clear who the receivers of the message from God is. I also don't believe this is some kind of spiritualization of a temple and chair that are not in our physical reality for some spiritual being to sit in. I believe that the chair is as real and physical as the "him that slayeth thee" in verse 9. Jesus isn't coming to slay the lawless one, who is a son of man (ie physical man), in the spirit. LOL. Why does the chair need to be spiritual?
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Post by venge on Aug 11, 2020 6:04:14 GMT -6
So, because I said 11 commentators all said the same thing that now I get hit with a quote saying I will be judged? Are you a brother in Christ who wants to learn and teach and is this not the place to talk about such things? It appears you are trying to scare me with a verse that has nothing to do with the subject matter we are on which is Ezekiel 28:2 I'd rather we focus on that and act like men who have great love and patience in our hearts. You didn't agree with me, that is why I posted all the commentators. The general consensus is what they said. If you disagree, you are free to write them and explain how they are misinterpreting scripture. But as long as we are here, I'd rather discuss and learn in a loving manner. There is much to learn from others that we can verify in the word. Just today, I learned something from barbiosheepgirl regarding those who sacrifice Christ back on the cross a second time. The way it was explained, I had never thought of it that way and it made me smile. I enjoy learning things from people when I can verify them in the word. That is what we should be doing here. I see why it looked bad... that's frustrating... Sorry man. It was not my intent to judge you personally. I was attempting to judge the verse using the Word of God to be justified, unaltered, not using opinions of myself or others to alter the meaning. In simpler terms: What does God say vs what does man say. Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. (I'm thinking this verse when I see opinion. It's a habit. Hopefully a good one. I didn't mean it to upset you.) That is what I was attempting and failed to convey. Now, my unjustified (Romans 3:4) opinion: Was it God's purpose to spiritualize part of or the whole meaning of the Ez verse or even the whole passage? I don't believe so. It just looks like it's a public notice from God addressed to the lawless one (price of Tyrus) and Lucifer himself (king of Tyrus). I don't believe there is any need to read any person's commentary on that opinion of the identity of these two, verse 12, 13, and 14 make it quite clear who the receivers of the message from God is. I also don't believe this is some kind of spiritualization of a temple and chair that are not in our physical reality for some spiritual being to sit in. I believe that the chair is as real and physical as the "him that slayeth thee" in verse 9. Jesus isn't coming to slay the lawless one, who is a son of man (ie physical man), in the spirit. LOL. Why does the chair need to be spiritual? Thank you for the explanation on Romans 3:4 It is hard to gage someone's words when there is no face, no body language attached. All we have is the words to go by and the mannerism's that come with it. Similar to the King of Egypt walking in the garden of Eden...everything said was physical...but walking in Eden was not. This is also done with the King of Edom...he's noted as being above the cliffs almost as a bird..flying high. The imagery suggests his pride. I think if the prince of Tyrus was to physically sit in the temple of God, we would have a record of it from another source in Jerusalem that it happened. King Jehoiakim last reigned in 598 BCE. he was disposed by Nebuchadnezzar which exiled the Jews. Ezekiel is to be during the Babylonian captivity. The temple also was destroyed by this same Nebuchadnezzar and no one could sit in it. Jews still existed in Jerusalem during the time of the Babylonian captivity and any outsider entering that area would be noted elsewhere in scripture. I think that because the prince of Tyrus said "I sit in the seat of God" demonstrates his pride as others have all noted. The story tells a lesson. He doesn't need to sit in God's seat to be punished. His heart and his mouth are what get's him punished. He believed he was the best, the strongest, unbeatable and fortified behind a wall. Unstoppable and full of riches and glory. Nebuchadnezzar did the same thing. He was also full of pride and boasted is this not my kingdom that I have made for my glory..or something similar to that. And God removes him too. The issue of pride is nasty in men's heart. And I think that is the main issue that we learn from these. Wealth and power in abundance corrupts -- even Solomon did so much evil on the throne.
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 11, 2020 7:16:08 GMT -6
I see why it looked bad... that's frustrating... Sorry man. It was not my intent to judge you personally. I was attempting to judge the verse using the Word of God to be justified, unaltered, not using opinions of myself or others to alter the meaning. In simpler terms: What does God say vs what does man say. Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. (I'm thinking this verse when I see opinion. It's a habit. Hopefully a good one. I didn't mean it to upset you.) That is what I was attempting and failed to convey. Now, my unjustified (Romans 3:4) opinion: Was it God's purpose to spiritualize part of or the whole meaning of the Ez verse or even the whole passage? I don't believe so. It just looks like it's a public notice from God addressed to the lawless one (price of Tyrus) and Lucifer himself (king of Tyrus). I don't believe there is any need to read any person's commentary on that opinion of the identity of these two, verse 12, 13, and 14 make it quite clear who the receivers of the message from God is. I also don't believe this is some kind of spiritualization of a temple and chair that are not in our physical reality for some spiritual being to sit in. I believe that the chair is as real and physical as the "him that slayeth thee" in verse 9. Jesus isn't coming to slay the lawless one, who is a son of man (ie physical man), in the spirit. LOL. Why does the chair need to be spiritual? Thank you for the explanation on Romans 3:4 It is hard to gage someone's words when there is no face, no body language attached. All we have is the words to go by and the mannerism's that come with it. Similar to the King of Egypt walking in the garden of Eden...everything said was physical...but walking in Eden was not. This is also done with the King of Edom...he's noted as being above the cliffs almost as a bird..flying high. The imagery suggests his pride. I think if the prince of Tyrus was to physically sit in the temple of God, we would have a record of it from another source in Jerusalem that it happened. King Jehoiakim last reigned in 598 BCE. he was disposed by Nebuchadnezzar which exiled the Jews. Ezekiel is to be during the Babylonian captivity. The temple also was destroyed by this same Nebuchadnezzar and no one could sit in it. Jews still existed in Jerusalem during the time of the Babylonian captivity and any outsider entering that area would be noted elsewhere in scripture. I think that because the prince of Tyrus said "I sit in the seat of God" demonstrates his pride as others have all noted. The story tells a lesson. He doesn't need to sit in God's seat to be punished. His heart and his mouth are what get's him punished. He believed he was the best, the strongest, unbeatable and fortified behind a wall. Unstoppable and full of riches and glory. Nebuchadnezzar did the same thing. He was also full of pride and boasted is this not my kingdom that I have made for my glory..or something similar to that. And God removes him too. The issue of pride is nasty in men's heart. And I think that is the main issue that we learn from these. Wealth and power in abundance corrupts -- even Solomon did so much evil on the throne. You may have accidentally helped me find a new link of end times prophecy. LOL. Thank you! Ezekiel 27:32 "What city is like Tyrus" (the "W" is capitalized after a comma in the KJV) Revelation 18:18 "What city is like unto this great city!" (the "W" is also capitalized after a comma in the KJV) No other case of "What city is like" exist in the Bible. Edit 2: Even Ezekiel 30 says "For the day is near, even the day of the Lord is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen." I think these chapters in Ez are clearly defined as end times chapters. Edit 1: I'm studying Tyrus. As I was typing My dog just vomited and lapped it all up just now. That was gross. Maybe the Holy Spirit is trying to say something. 2 Peter 2:22 The dog is turned to his own vomit again. --------- Edit 3: BTW, what's the motive behind trying to disprove a physical temple and seat? Edit 4: LOL... Revelation 18 is Ezekiel 27-28... literally. Ezekiel is one of a handful of OT books I haven't studied much. Numbers is another.
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Post by mike on Aug 11, 2020 11:06:33 GMT -6
uscgvetEze 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart [is] lifted up, and thou hast said, I [am] a God, I sit [in] the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou [art] a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God: 3 Behold, thou [art] wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:
4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:
5 By thy great wisdom [and] by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:Any chance this article has a tie to the situation in the region? " The project has created friction with Turkey," Look who's trying to edge in there article "Turkey's port of Mersin, on the Mediterranean, is ready to assist the port of Beirut, he said, without elaborating." Nice brief read on Tyre, Tyrus, Zor, etc. and history tied to Nebuchadnezzer, Alex the Great... Who operates in Lebanon? What could happen here? It is possible the ram is Iran and the goat Turkey Daniel 8 16...Gabriel, make this [man] to understand the vision. 17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end [shall be] the vision.
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Post by mike on Aug 11, 2020 11:18:30 GMT -6
Also of note here venge, uscgvet, I believe God is using 'sarcasm' here: Eze 28:3 Behold, thou [art] wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:
4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:
5 By thy great wisdom [and] by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:Prov 4 - read the chapter about wisdom with my comment in mind Also 14:3 In the mouth of the foolish is a rod of pride: but the lips of the wise shall preserve them.
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 11, 2020 11:40:02 GMT -6
Also of note here venge , uscgvet , I believe God is using 'sarcasm' here: Eze 28:3 Behold, thou [art] wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:
4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:
5 By thy great wisdom [and] by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:Prov 4 - read the chapter about wisdom with my comment in mind Also 14:3 In the mouth of the foolish is a rod of pride: but the lips of the wise shall preserve them.It is impossible for God to lie. Hebrews 6:18. I'm pretty sure sarcasm is not the case in Ez 28:3-5. I would say this "price of Tyrus" was created by God to be wiser than Daniel specifically for the end times.
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Post by mike on Aug 11, 2020 11:56:12 GMT -6
Who said God was lying? I certainly did not say that. I said I believe He is using sarcasm.
If I said to mt wife "Yeah youre physically stronger than me" - Am I lying or being sarcastic? She knows the answer to that.
No big deal, there are other examples where God uses satire (perhaps sarcasm is too strong) in the Word. Perhaps this "prince" or "king" of Tyrus is wise, however it would be the wisdom of this world, not of God.
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 11, 2020 11:57:13 GMT -6
uscgvet Eze 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart [is] lifted up, and thou hast said, I [am] a God, I sit [in] the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou [art] a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God: 3 Behold, thou [art] wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:
4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:
5 By thy great wisdom [and] by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches:Any chance this article has a tie to the situation in the region? " The project has created friction with Turkey," Look who's trying to edge in there article "Turkey's port of Mersin, on the Mediterranean, is ready to assist the port of Beirut, he said, without elaborating." Nice brief read on Tyre, Tyrus, Zor, etc. and history tied to Nebuchadnezzer, Alex the Great... Who operates in Lebanon? What could happen here? It is possible the ram is Iran and the goat Turkey Daniel 8 16...Gabriel, make this [man] to understand the vision. 17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end [shall be] the vision.
Well, The leadership of Lebanon just stepped down. Looking at Tyrus on maps.google.com and pictures of the city shows that Tyrus is a beautiful city with ancient ruins on the peninsula. Beautiful beaches. Looks like a lovely place. Maybe since the explosion in Beirut, a new leader for Lebanon may step up from Tyrus... It could happen. Or Lebanon drops into complete anarchy like the rest of the planet today and a new world leader steps up.
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 11, 2020 11:58:06 GMT -6
Who said God was lying? I certainly did not say that. I said I believe He is using sarcasm. If I said to mt wife "Yeah youre physically stronger than me" - Am I lying or being sarcastic? She knows the answer to that. No big deal, there are other examples where God uses satire (perhaps sarcasm is too strong) in the Word. Perhaps this "prince" or "king" of Tyrus is wise, however it would be the wisdom of this world, not of God. Sarcasm is lying. Period. It's using deception to make a point. If God (not men, God) was ever sarcastic in the Bible, we wouldn't ever know when he is truly telling the truth. And I disagree with much of the content in this article. www.gotquestions.org/Bible-sarcasm.htmlEither Hebrews 6:18 is a lie, or that article is a lie. That article defines Sarcasm as "saying one thing while meaning another" That's lying.
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Post by mike on Aug 11, 2020 12:22:44 GMT -6
Just asking here and not looking to argue the point. How do you see Job 38, 39, 40? Why does God ask Job these obviously impossible to answer questions. Is God lying to Job asking him things He already knows the answers to?
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 11, 2020 12:30:21 GMT -6
Just asking here and not looking to argue the point. How do you see Job 38, 39, 40? Why does God ask Job these obviously impossible to answer questions. Is God lying to Job asking him things He already knows the answers to? Impossible to whom? Those are not impossible questions to answer. That's is an incorrect assumption. Ask the creator to answer them. Matthew 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible. God cannot lie.
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 11, 2020 13:06:24 GMT -6
I see why it looked bad... that's frustrating... Sorry man. It was not my intent to judge you personally. I was attempting to judge the verse using the Word of God to be justified, unaltered, not using opinions of myself or others to alter the meaning. In simpler terms: What does God say vs what does man say. Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. (I'm thinking this verse when I see opinion. It's a habit. Hopefully a good one. I didn't mean it to upset you.) That is what I was attempting and failed to convey. Now, my unjustified (Romans 3:4) opinion: Was it God's purpose to spiritualize part of or the whole meaning of the Ez verse or even the whole passage? I don't believe so. It just looks like it's a public notice from God addressed to the lawless one (price of Tyrus) and Lucifer himself (king of Tyrus). I don't believe there is any need to read any person's commentary on that opinion of the identity of these two, verse 12, 13, and 14 make it quite clear who the receivers of the message from God is. I also don't believe this is some kind of spiritualization of a temple and chair that are not in our physical reality for some spiritual being to sit in. I believe that the chair is as real and physical as the "him that slayeth thee" in verse 9. Jesus isn't coming to slay the lawless one, who is a son of man (ie physical man), in the spirit. LOL. Why does the chair need to be spiritual? Thank you for the explanation on Romans 3:4 It is hard to gage someone's words when there is no face, no body language attached. All we have is the words to go by and the mannerism's that come with it. Similar to the King of Egypt walking in the garden of Eden...everything said was physical...but walking in Eden was not. This is also done with the King of Edom...he's noted as being above the cliffs almost as a bird..flying high. The imagery suggests his pride. I think if the prince of Tyrus was to physically sit in the temple of God, we would have a record of it from another source in Jerusalem that it happened. King Jehoiakim last reigned in 598 BCE. he was disposed by Nebuchadnezzar which exiled the Jews. Ezekiel is to be during the Babylonian captivity. The temple also was destroyed by this same Nebuchadnezzar and no one could sit in it. Jews still existed in Jerusalem during the time of the Babylonian captivity and any outsider entering that area would be noted elsewhere in scripture. I think that because the prince of Tyrus said "I sit in the seat of God" demonstrates his pride as others have all noted. The story tells a lesson. He doesn't need to sit in God's seat to be punished. His heart and his mouth are what get's him punished. He believed he was the best, the strongest, unbeatable and fortified behind a wall. Unstoppable and full of riches and glory. Nebuchadnezzar did the same thing. He was also full of pride and boasted is this not my kingdom that I have made for my glory..or something similar to that. And God removes him too. The issue of pride is nasty in men's heart. And I think that is the main issue that we learn from these. Wealth and power in abundance corrupts -- even Solomon did so much evil on the throne. I understand the "pride" before fall perspective. But the fall was real. The punishment is real. Why is the act just from the heart and mouth? Abraham was justified by his works - per James 2. Wouldn't the lawless one also be condemned by his works? Is it just unfaith that gets him condemned? Not the actual action of sitting in the seat of God? How does James put it? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Wouldn't this work both ways? 1 John 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous. ------------- Edit, The questions I asked above was more of me talking to God, asking Him. Then later I found this: Matthew 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. Hmm. Words can do it. venge , you might be right brother.
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Post by venge on Aug 12, 2020 7:13:44 GMT -6
Thank you for the explanation on Romans 3:4 It is hard to gage someone's words when there is no face, no body language attached. All we have is the words to go by and the mannerism's that come with it. Similar to the King of Egypt walking in the garden of Eden...everything said was physical...but walking in Eden was not. This is also done with the King of Edom...he's noted as being above the cliffs almost as a bird..flying high. The imagery suggests his pride. I think if the prince of Tyrus was to physically sit in the temple of God, we would have a record of it from another source in Jerusalem that it happened. King Jehoiakim last reigned in 598 BCE. he was disposed by Nebuchadnezzar which exiled the Jews. Ezekiel is to be during the Babylonian captivity. The temple also was destroyed by this same Nebuchadnezzar and no one could sit in it. Jews still existed in Jerusalem during the time of the Babylonian captivity and any outsider entering that area would be noted elsewhere in scripture. I think that because the prince of Tyrus said "I sit in the seat of God" demonstrates his pride as others have all noted. The story tells a lesson. He doesn't need to sit in God's seat to be punished. His heart and his mouth are what get's him punished. He believed he was the best, the strongest, unbeatable and fortified behind a wall. Unstoppable and full of riches and glory. Nebuchadnezzar did the same thing. He was also full of pride and boasted is this not my kingdom that I have made for my glory..or something similar to that. And God removes him too. The issue of pride is nasty in men's heart. And I think that is the main issue that we learn from these. Wealth and power in abundance corrupts -- even Solomon did so much evil on the throne. I understand the "pride" before fall perspective. But the fall was real. The punishment is real. Why is the act just from the heart and mouth? Abraham was justified by his works - per James 2. Wouldn't the lawless one also be condemned by his works? Is it just unfaith that gets him condemned? Not the actual action of sitting in the seat of God? How does James put it? 17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Wouldn't this work both ways? 1 John 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous. ------------- Edit, The questions I asked above was more of me talking to God, asking Him. Then later I found this: Matthew 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. Hmm. Words can do it. venge , you might be right brother. I was looking at the context of the verse...and that is how I saw it and I tried to deviate from that stance to a literal one (actually sitting)..but every way I tried, with this specific Ezekiel verse, I didn't find it to work. That is why I looked at the historical context that the temple was destroyed and Ezekiel was exiled in that time. That area was still guarded and wouldn't allow a non Jew into it. My attempt to look at every facet, even if another commentator suggested it was possible and their reasoning for it, but none differed. Though I am very aware of many verses on our words (especially in Proverbs), I forgot about the one in Matthew you posted. But let me be clear, I am not right - this is not a win or a I told you so. I wanted us to talk about it, to look at it deeply with sincerity and not to let our own ideas get in the way of what was trying to be conveyed. I am happy when we can all agree on something, like faith, where we see the scripture unfold and tell its story. We all win in doing so and it breaks down the barrier of I believe this and you believe this or in another thread I agree to disagree. If we want the truth, we need to discuss the truth like a bible sunday school class should be (but most times is not) and ask the question people are afraid to that they don't offend others. Obviously, I offend and strike nerves lol but my position is not to get a rise out of people, its to get them to look from another angle outside what they are used to, what they are told to...and in many ways, that is how Christ did it to the people. So let us talk about words that cause punishment in the next case. I don't want this to be a third temple issue, though that is the topic. There were 2 questions raised about the AC by others here. Now, just because the prince of Tyre may not have sat in the seat of God though he claimed it, doesn't mean the same for the Thessalonians verse. I think anyone would find that logical. But I am more interested in finding out about how the AC speaks and how that speech affects punishment. As you said previously, the prince of Tyre was kind of like the man of sin. I agree. Opposing is to resist or do the opposite of. The AC in this verse does the opposite of what God would do. We know the number 1 thing God is..its love. Other qualities are mercy, forgiveness, patience etc.. Exalting oneself is arrogance and pridefulness. It is putting yourself in a position above God in this context. The terminology here is alittle different then the prince of Tyrus , but the context of what their crime was seems to be the same. They both make themselves to be like God or better. Daniel 11:36 says more on him: I liked the definition of blasphemy on biblehub. Another way is to change God's word into a lie. If I saw a man stop and help a women who was in an accident...one might say "oh, I guess it was ok that he helped her he should have left it to the police". He should have said "I'm glad that man helped her. He was a hero in a time of need" (not the best analogy). Something along that line. It doesnt sound blasphemous as taking the Lord's name in vain, and I wonder how we aught to hear it to understand it when it happens. What I mean is, we need to be really careful of peoples words. Not paying attention to them, a politician could blaspheme God's truth without ever saying Bible, Christians, saints, the law etc...but by changing how God instructs us to live to something else...it could be soo subtle...would we miss it? We don't need to take care of the sick and dieing, the government will do it for us. Is that blasphemous? As an example, I'd say yes.
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