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Post by uscgvet on Aug 10, 2020 19:38:31 GMT -6
It's an affirmation that it's written that "I sit in the seat of God". You can play mind games with that all you want. I <-- a man sit < -- makes a motion from standing to the sitting position in <-- as opposed to outside of the seat <-- a place to sit in of God <-- owned by God I see it as it says it. No mind games here. I asked a question. A simple yes or no would suffice but you wanted to be cryptic. So I asked was that an affirmation. The prince of tyre said he sat in the seat. God didn’t say he did. God said he had his heart was made like the heart of God. In that, he sat in his seat. Thank you for the quick reply "Thus saith the Lord GOD" now who said it again?  |
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Post by venge on Aug 10, 2020 19:43:21 GMT -6
No mind games here. I asked a question. A simple yes or no would suffice but you wanted to be cryptic. So I asked was that an affirmation. The prince of tyre said he sat in the seat. God didn’t say he did. God said he had his heart was made like the heart of God. In that, he sat in his seat. Thank you for the quick reply "Thus saith the Lord GOD" now who said it again? Thou hath said... Meaning the prince said he sat in God’s seat. Did you see my edit also? Every commentator on biblehub said its an allusion and does not literally mean he sat in his seat. Let me add some: |
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 10, 2020 20:03:56 GMT -6
Walls of text... why can't it just mean what it says?
"what it really means is..."
"I know that's what it says... but that's not what it meant..."
Daniel 9:27 states "and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease"
What kind of sacrifice are we talking about here? Spiritual sacrifices? Physical sacrifices?
Oblations are when you use fruits and vegetables and grains. Are these spiritual heads of lettuce for an oblation? Thoughts of good spiritual green stalks of celery?
No. Physical sacrifices and physical oblations with real fruits and veggies.
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Post by venge on Aug 10, 2020 20:11:03 GMT -6
Walls of text... why can't it just mean what it says? "what it really means is..." "I know that's what it says... but that's not what it meant..." Daniel 9:27 states "and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease" What kind of sacrifice are we talking about here? Spiritual sacrifices? Physical sacrifices? Oblations are when you use fruits and vegetables. Are these spiritual heads of lettuce for an oblation? Thoughts of good spiritual green stalks of celery? No. Physical sacrifices and physical oblations with real fruits and veggies. We are not talking about Daniel 9. There is no need to confuse 2 separate books. We are talking about Ezekiel 28:2 I posted what 11 other commentators on biblehub and other sites all said on the subject. I left none out. There is no deceiving you as I posted all things honestly. They all said the same thing on the subject. He never sat in the seat of God. Its an allusion to show his pride and how he thought of his throne. Don't argue with me, argue with 11 commentators and then some who study this. |
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 10, 2020 20:17:29 GMT -6
Romans 3:4
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Post by mike on Aug 10, 2020 20:23:47 GMT -6
Eze 28:2 “Son of man, say to the prince of Tyre, Thus says the Lord GOD:
Because your heart is proud, and you have said, ‘I am a god, I sit in the seat of the gods, in the heart of the seas,’ yet you are but a man, and no god, though you make your heart like the heart of a god.
He was a man (the prince of Tyre) and said in his heart 'I am a god' & 'I sit in the seat of gods'
Just because God called him out on something he said (verbally or in his heart) doesnt mean he actually sat in Gods seat nor does it mean he was actually a god
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Post by venge on Aug 10, 2020 20:25:04 GMT -6
So, because I said 11 commentators all said the same thing that now I get hit with a quote saying I will be judged? Are you a brother in Christ who wants to learn and teach and is this not the place to talk about such things? It appears you are trying to scare me with a verse that has nothing to do with the subject matter we are on which is Ezekiel 28:2 I'd rather we focus on that and act like men who have great love and patience in our hearts. You didn't agree with me, that is why I posted all the commentators. The general consensus is what they said. If you disagree, you are free to write them and explain how they are misinterpreting scripture. But as long as we are here, I'd rather discuss and learn in a loving manner. There is much to learn from others that we can verify in the word. Just today, I learned something from barbiosheepgirl regarding those who sacrifice Christ back on the cross a second time. The way it was explained, I had never thought of it that way and it made me smile. I enjoy learning things from people when I can verify them in the word. That is what we should be doing here. |
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Post by Natalie on Aug 10, 2020 20:31:28 GMT -6
But also, couldn't the AC actually sit in a rebuilt temple? Just because it might be spiritual with the King of Tyre, couldn't it be physical with the AC? As far as I know, there is nothing in the NT that equates the AC with the King of Tyre.
There was a physical temple when Paul was teaching the Thessalonians. Even though God was not physically there, it was known as the Temple of God. Paul tells them someone who is not God will sit in the Temple. Would they have taken it to mean something spiritual? I don't think so. There is no reason to.
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Post by venge on Aug 10, 2020 20:34:41 GMT -6
But also, couldn't the AC actually sit in a rebuilt temple? Just because it might be spiritual with the King of Tyre, couldn't it be physical with the AC? As far as I know, there is nothing in the NT that equates the AC with the King of Tyre. There was a physical temple when Paul was teaching the Thessalonians. Even though God was not physically there, it was known as the Temple of God. Paul tells them someone who is not God will sit in the Temple. Would they have taken it to mean something spiritual? I don't think so. There is no reason to. I was not even bringing up the AC. I kept it strictly the prince of Tyre. I just wanted to ask a simple question on that verse. Let me ask this, was it spiritual with any other king besides the prince of Tyre? |
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Post by uscgvet on Aug 10, 2020 20:36:20 GMT -6
So, because I said 11 commentators all said the same thing that now I get hit with a quote saying I will be judged? Are you a brother in Christ who wants to learn and teach and is this not the place to talk about such things? It appears you are trying to scare me with a verse that has nothing to do with the subject matter we are on which is Ezekiel 28:2 I'd rather we focus on that and act like men who have great love and patience in our hearts. You didn't agree with me, that is why I posted all the commentators. The general consensus is what they said. If you disagree, you are free to write them and explain how they are misinterpreting scripture. But as long as we are here, I'd rather discuss and learn in a loving manner. There is much to learn from others that we can verify in the word. Just today, I learned something from barbiosheepgirl regarding those who sacrifice Christ back on the cross a second time. The way it was explained, I had never thought of it that way and it made me smile. I enjoy learning things from people when I can verify them in the word. That is what we should be doing here. That verse absolutely applies to me as well! Why did I use it? "So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge." God's Word (KJV) says: Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God: You all need to stop changing the meaning of what God said... because: 1) thine heart is lifted up and2) thou has said: a) I am a God b) I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas |
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Post by mike on Aug 10, 2020 20:36:55 GMT -6
Hey guys i do believe the text is speaking of both a human prince and spritual king.
11 Moreover, the word of the LORD came to me: 12 "Son of man, raise a lamentation over the king of Tyre, and say to him, Thus says the Lord GOD:
So the previous verses schools the prince of Tyre for his arrogance and pride. Here though the person is now king of Tyre and is differentiated
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Post by Natalie on Aug 10, 2020 20:37:56 GMT -6
But also, couldn't the AC actually sit in a rebuilt temple? Just because it might be spiritual with the King of Tyre, couldn't it be physical with the AC? As far as I know, there is nothing in the NT that equates the AC with the King of Tyre. There was a physical temple when Paul was teaching the Thessalonians. Even though God was not physically there, it was known as the Temple of God. Paul tells them someone who is not God will sit in the Temple. Would they have taken it to mean something spiritual? I don't think so. There is no reason to. I was not even bringing up the AC. I kept it strictly the prince of Tyre. I just wanted to ask a simple question on that verse. Let me ask this, was it spiritual with any other king besides the prince of Tyre?
I guess I don't understand why you brought the verse up.
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Post by mike on Aug 10, 2020 20:41:21 GMT -6
The AC must stand in the holy place. Jesus and Paul make it pretty clear.
When you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel... It must be seen, not just perceived or understood in allegories.
Edit does he sit or stand or both - Jesus said stand. Paul says sit in the temple 1Thes 2:4
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Post by venge on Aug 10, 2020 20:41:36 GMT -6
But also, couldn't the AC actually sit in a rebuilt temple? Just because it might be spiritual with the King of Tyre, couldn't it be physical with the AC? As far as I know, there is nothing in the NT that equates the AC with the King of Tyre. There was a physical temple when Paul was teaching the Thessalonians. Even though God was not physically there, it was known as the Temple of God. Paul tells them someone who is not God will sit in the Temple. Would they have taken it to mean something spiritual? I don't think so. There is no reason to. Was the King of Egypt actually in Eden...the garden of God? Was his self exaltation as God going unnoticed by God? No. He did not walk in Eden, but he acted like he was God (in pride) as God walked in Eden meaning delight. And he was cast down because of it. |
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Post by venge on Aug 10, 2020 20:47:54 GMT -6
The AC must stand in the holy place. Jesus and Paul make it pretty clear. When you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel... It must be seen, not just perceived or understood in allegories. I think, as a separate discussion, more needs to be looked at with that verse in the Greek with regards to Matthew and Luke. |
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