Timing of Actual Rapture

I've thought about how this happens many, many times.

IMHO...only believers hear the shout and the trumpet, only mere seconds for those to occur, then in like 1/40 of a second, transformation and we are in the clouds.

As to the people of this world that are left behind, they see and hear nothing. We just vanish. I think some people will see some of us disappear. Many of these will most likely become believers, because regardless of the official explanation for what has happened, no one will be able to erase the memory of what they saw with their own 2 eyes.

There are a few who think our spirits are removed from our bodies at the rapture, leaving a dead carcass behind, but I don't think so. The bible says "we will be changed", "transformed". Meaning the body of flesh goes, but it's changed into a glorified body. So we don't get new bodies for our spirits. This is why the dead in Christ are raised. Their bodies are reconstituted and glorified, otherwise they would just get a new body. (I believe the dead in Christ's spirit/souls are in heaven, their bodies in the grave...some don't believe this.)

Like Jesus, who was raised "bodily", still bearing the nail prints and gash in His side. The tomb was empty and He appeared in the same body that hung on the cross, but glorified.

Hello inaweofhim,

Arnt we all, in awe of Him? Love the name.
You had asked,
There is some differences in opinion on the forums but I will be happy to tell you what I believe with scripture. I will let others tell their ideas and you can study and form your own opinions agreed?
You had quoted 2 famous well known verses.

As you noted, the 2 things that stand out in each before our "changing and rising" is at the last trumpet and the voice of an arch angel must sound. These 2 things happen before we are changed. But you are missing something else.
There is a third and a fourth prerequisite too. Christ must reign in order for us to be changed and we are told:

I will come back to when Christ reigns but here, we are told the gospel must be preached unto all nations. It is fitting then that we know the last 2 people to share the gospel, IMO, are non other then the 2 witnesses. This is because in Rev 11:7 it is said of them:

Once finished, they are killed and brought up to heaven. Why this is important is because it fulfills Matthew 24:14 and with its fulfilment, it allows the Archangel to cry out from 1 Thess 4:16. I will touch on him in a minute too.
We cannot forget though, Matthew 24:29-31

The verses here add more to the picture. We know a last trumpet must sound, we know an archangel will cry out and we know the gospel will be preached unto all nations. We also know Christ will reign. ( I will show this in a momment).
But now we are shown in Matthew 24 that it happens after the tribulation per verse 29. We also know that it happens after the 6th seal from the same verse. I will let you finish reading the verse. So back to Christ reign...

It is at his coming that we are changed and per Matthew 24, his coming happens after the 6th seal.

In the parable of the weeds, Christ had said to let the wheat (believers) and the weeds (wicked men) grow together until the harvest at the end of the age. Then, when the end comes, he will gather the weeds in bundles. Then he will gather the wheat into his barn. Finally, he will burn the weeds. The wheat cannot be gathered to Himself till the weeds are bundled.


God's wrath is the burning of the weeds. This does not happen till the bowl judgments when the wrath of God is poured out.


We even see in Revelation 14:9-10, that the wrath of God comes down on these same weeds/tares because they follow the beast.


In verse 12, the Bible tells us that when we see this happen, we must have patience and endurance to last. They who keeps the commandments of God and testimony of Christ Jesus. It is because at that time, right after Mystery Babylon is destroyed, it will be a time of testing. The greatest example given is Lot's wife when she looked back. In her heart was the world, it was her treasure.

It is after this that we see our salvation

In Revelation 20:5-6, the First Resurrection is announced.


The first resurrection is stated to happen when Christ begins to reign. This is even mentioned in Rev 5:10. But when does this happen? Is the first resurrection and the rapture of saints the same thing? Lets take a look at Rev 11:1.


At the 7th Trumpet, the last Trump of God, we see the kingdoms of the world are now his and he shall begin to reign. It is at His reign that we can be raised per Rev 20:5-6. This is the time of the first resurrection. It is also at this time we know from 1 Cor 15 and 1 Thess 4 that the last trumpet of God is blown and that we can rise.

His reign when we are given our reward is also shown in Matthew 25:31-34

We are raised (our reward) at his reign which is the 7th trumpet.
So when does the archangel come in that has to blown the trumpet in order for Christ to reign and resurrect his saints for the rapture?


The voice of the 7th Mighty angel is the voice of the archangel of 1 Thess 4:16. The end has now come as God's mystery is now finished. It is now time to reward his saints, the prophets and all who follow his name. 

And lastly, now that Christ reigns and we are raptured, to destroy them that destroy the earth. So for me to answer your question, I could link many more verses to support my logic but I will say this, 

When do we actually get raptured?

The rapture begins at Christ reign which is the 7th Trumpet of Revelation. His wrath is poured out in the form of bowls to “them which destroy the earth” once the shofar is blown and we are removed from his wrath. This is the time of the first resurrection and it is at this time we are gathered with the sound of the last trumpet of God from every corner of the earth to inherit the kingdom prepared for us from the foundation of the world. This is the reward promised to all them that fear His name. The first resurrection. The rapture before the flood. To be saved from His wrath because we are no longer under any condemnation of our sinful nature to those who believed.

WW1 and WW2 had Christians in it. They might have thought it was the end. I would have. I am sure God allows things to happen as he moves pieces of the puzzle for a reason. But the wickedness of man is not his wrath though He uses man. There can be tribulation like WW1 and WW2 in the future, call it WW3 is youd like, but tribulation is persecution. God's wrath is worse.

Gods wrath:  orgé  
Definition: impulse, wrath

Usage: anger, wrath, passion; punishment, vengeance

God's wrath: thumos  
Definition: passion

Usage: an outburst of passion, wrath.


Not God's wrath: thlipsis
Definition: tribulation

Usage: persecution, affliction, distress, tribulation

inaweofhim - I have read it that way, too. Made me wonder how big the place He is preparing for us really is! OR maybe we don't stay there the whole time of Jacob's Trouble but are out around heaven doing things? So many thoughts to ponder!

I will reply best I can. I’m at a hospital and not at my computer where I can provide scripture.
You asked how we can be raised at his reign. I had provided a few verses to show when he begins to reign at the 7th Trumpet is before the wicked are destroyed. You are looking at the wicked as seals and trumpets.
It sounds to me you are taking all of Revelation chronologically.
Some of it is; parts that explain what happens after a prerequisite. Other parts are put together using deductive logic of scripture backing up scripture. We are raised at his coming. If you are looking for a type of timeline, I suppose it would be resurrected at the 7th Trumpet when Christ begins to reign, closing the door to heaven from prayers/people in the prelude to the bowls, wrath of God in bowls against wicked, wedding supper in the bowls.
This is why the wicked are gathered in the trumpets. Then we are gathered into his barn. Then the wicked are burned (bowls). You need to step back and look at seals and trumpets and go in with an open mind. If you don’t, you won’t see it. Not just with this but anything. That is not saying you are wrong or I am right. I’m saying that if you cannot approach anything in scripture with scripture alone and don’t trust in your own understanding. Challenge yourself and study.

I wish I could paste scripture here. Perhaps barbiosheep can post for me. She may not agree with everything I say but I’m confident she understands how I view this subject and can explain it for me lol.

I applaud you for asking though. I did not come to my understanding by commentaries or books or internet stuff. I read and studied and and continue to do so that I understand things. It helps when reading others view points even when we disagree

You asked about the reign of Christ.

When "they" came to life, that was the rapture and the changing in the twinkling of an eye. They cannot change till he begins to reign and that once be begins to reign, we are changed and reign with him.
That's because verse 5 says,

And verse 6 backs this up with:

The resurrection happens when Christ begins to reign. When he begins to reign, we are resurrected into our new bodies. 
That is why I showed you Rev 11:15

Now that the kingdoms of the earth have become the kingdoms of Christ - he has begun to reign because the kingdoms no longer are under Satan because he is sealed.

Satan is bound for the 1k years that Christ reigns beginning at the 7th Trumpet once it is blown. When Satan is sealed, the kingdoms become Christ. Because he can now reign, we are resurrected. We are taken into his barn and the rest left on the world are to burn as the weeds/tares in the bowls. This is why Rev 11:18 says that NOW we will be rewarded which was promised.

This is shown because in the parable of the 10 virgins when Christ comes, the door is shut when 5 virgins leave. The other 5 cry unto him Lord Lord but the door was shut. We see the door shut in the prelude before the 1st Bowl and after the 7th Trumpet. This is when the door to heaven shuts:

Even in Exodus and Numbers, when the temple is filled with smoke or a cloud is within it,  no man can enter the temple or they die. Not only is the door shut up and no man can go to heaven at this point, but even prayers cannot go to heaven.

That is a pretty specific timeline.