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Post by whatif on Jun 29, 2017 1:26:29 GMT -6
Welcome to the forum, elle! It's a pleasure to meet you! Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us. It will certainly be very interesting to see how things play out in September.
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Post by whatif on Jun 29, 2017 1:39:35 GMT -6
You're very welcome! I hope you find our conversations here in the forum a treasure trove of interesting information, and I look forward to you participating! I'm heading out at the moment--I just caught your 1st post as I was preparing to sign off. Enjoy browsing the threads, and have a good night!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 5:48:11 GMT -6
Welcome Elle!
I'm glad you felt comfortable to share what has been going on in your mind and heart. There are always two principles in the Bible 1) the spiritual and 2)the natural. The word of God is the living word and can be multi dimensional, thereby meaning something today and a month later reading the same sentence mean something else.. also!
I can certainly see how The hearts of men and their actions can do many of the things that you are speaking of. Absolutely that could happen. But for me, I actually see literally these things happening with Jesus, Satan, and the angels. The sign will definitely be a representation of that which is happening in heaven and what is happening on earth, through imagery and actuality.
But there are a lot of people on this forum that May have closer understandings and can begin to give you a bouncing board of your thoughts. these guys here will take you to the task of asking you to support through scripture at times! Lol! I have learned that about the site , they keep bringing me back to have to get my thoughts together!
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Post by Gary on Jun 29, 2017 7:58:44 GMT -6
Hello Elle, and welcome!
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Post by watchmanjim on Jun 29, 2017 8:10:21 GMT -6
Welcome, Elle!
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Post by yardstick on Jul 15, 2017 21:54:15 GMT -6
Hey Brad, my apologies for the late reply! I noticed I had the wrong email address on my account, and just updated it. Also, I have been out of the country for several weeks, and am only recently back. As far as the sign of the Dragon of Rev 12, it is a mystery for sure, and I don't know if the video will be correct or not, but we will find out pretty soon! Your observations are exactly correct......the 7 crowns, the 7 heads, and 5 horns of the tail are always present. I hope to summarize my thinking behind the video for you here.....although it may not be correct at all! I use the planetarium at neave.com, in which the stick figure of Virgo includes the star Kappa Virginis. Zedek crosses the line drawn between Spica and Kappa Virginis on October 15th, which I took to represent the birth of Zedek.....others have Zedek being birthed earlier because their programs do not include Kappa Virginis....however, most classical astronomy stick figures include it, so that is subjective for sure. However, if we use the neave.com stick figure, then Zedek crosses the line on October 15th, which happens to be exactly 1260 days from Passover 2021, when the stop to sacrifices mentioned in Daniel 9 would occur. Revelation 12 mentions the Dragon is waiting on the birth to devour the child.....therefore, I went back to see what was present at the moment of birth of Zedek on October 15th. I had to scale out to see it.....the width of the screen is 1/3 of the heavens at that point. The fixed objects you mentioned are always there, and there are 5 moving objects to complete the 10 horns, and are present from 13-16 October. It is true that 5 moving objects are likely there at other times, so it is not the uniqueness of the arrangement that was significant to me, but rather the arrangement at that very moment of birth, which marries the Scripture of Rev 12.....the uniqueness of the whole enchilada is really conveyed by the sign of the Woman in Labor in Rev 12, not so much the uniqueness of the Dragon. What makes the potential sign of the Dragon interesting is the timing of the sign relative to the great sign of the Woman in Labor.....so, being 1/3 of the Heaven in length, with 10 "horns", 7 heads, 7 crowns, and a large snake, present just prior to and at the time of birth of Zedek, makes it a "potential" arrangement for the Dragon, but not definitive, we will have to wait and see if an agreement to divide the Land is forthcoming which would mark the onset of the 70th week occurs! The Draconids meteor shower occurs October 7-9 this year. There have been years where it is 'spectacular'. This year may be one of them. |
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Post by Gary on Jul 16, 2017 20:58:34 GMT -6
The timing is certainly interesting! I've seen a number of speculative Trib timelines that have the Trib starting this year after about October 10th.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 6:58:35 GMT -6
Yes, if you started the feast of tabernacles and count seven days and then celebration of the "eighth day", we are right up there and October 12 where Sam says that Jupiter enters Libra(judgement?)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 17:20:01 GMT -6
I communicated with Daniel Matson today, and his date to start the 70th week is November 19th, Stephen Sewell's is October 20th, and the one I estimated from Zedek leaving Virgo is October 15th....pretty amazing that 3 individuals who had not communicated prior to now arrived within ~ one month of the onset of the 70th week. I believe this testifies that we are indeed at the threshold of the 70th week, but I have to be patient and wait for confirmation!
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Post by whatif on Jul 17, 2017 17:40:01 GMT -6
What an amazing time we're living in, sam! Wow!
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Post by yardstick on Jul 18, 2017 23:34:21 GMT -6
Hey Brad, my apologies for the late reply! I noticed I had the wrong email address on my account, and just updated it. Also, I have been out of the country for several weeks, and am only recently back. As far as the sign of the Dragon of Rev 12, it is a mystery for sure, and I don't know if the video will be correct or not, but we will find out pretty soon! Your observations are exactly correct......the 7 crowns, the 7 heads, and 5 horns of the tail are always present. I hope to summarize my thinking behind the video for you here.....although it may not be correct at all! I use the planetarium at neave.com, in which the stick figure of Virgo includes the star Kappa Virginis. Zedek crosses the line drawn between Spica and Kappa Virginis on October 15th, which I took to represent the birth of Zedek.....others have Zedek being birthed earlier because their programs do not include Kappa Virginis....however, most classical astronomy stick figures include it, so that is subjective for sure. However, if we use the neave.com stick figure, then Zedek crosses the line on October 15th, which happens to be exactly 1260 days from Passover 2021, when the stop to sacrifices mentioned in Daniel 9 would occur. Revelation 12 mentions the Dragon is waiting on the birth to devour the child.....therefore, I went back to see what was present at the moment of birth of Zedek on October 15th. I had to scale out to see it.....the width of the screen is 1/3 of the heavens at that point. The fixed objects you mentioned are always there, and there are 5 moving objects to complete the 10 horns, and are present from 13-16 October. It is true that 5 moving objects are likely there at other times, so it is not the uniqueness of the arrangement that was significant to me, but rather the arrangement at that very moment of birth, which marries the Scripture of Rev 12.....the uniqueness of the whole enchilada is really conveyed by the sign of the Woman in Labor in Rev 12, not so much the uniqueness of the Dragon. What makes the potential sign of the Dragon interesting is the timing of the sign relative to the great sign of the Woman in Labor.....so, being 1/3 of the Heaven in length, with 10 "horns", 7 heads, 7 crowns, and a large snake, present just prior to and at the time of birth of Zedek, makes it a "potential" arrangement for the Dragon, but not definitive, we will have to wait and see if an agreement to divide the Land is forthcoming which would mark the onset of the 70th week occurs! The Draconids meteor shower occurs October 7-9 this year. There have been years where it is 'spectacular'. This year may be one of them. It occurs to me to add: that maybe there is less significance on the Rev 12:3-4 sign because it is a confirming sign? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 11:26:02 GMT -6
Yes yardstick, I think that is a fair observation! There is more emphasis on the Sign of the Woman in Labor for sure.....what is neat about the confirming sign is that it has the effect of pointing us to a particular section of the sky at a particular time in history, and the sign of the Dragon, being present only from 13-16 Oct, tells us we are on the right track. This is further confirmed by the Micah 5:3 prophecy "He will give them up until the one who is in labor has given birth", which is supported by the sign of the Dragon being present just as Zedek crosses the line out of Virgo to head to Libra on October 15th......we will know pretty soon if this is significant or not!
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Post by watchmanjim on Jul 19, 2017 20:38:46 GMT -6
I keep going back to one key clues about the dragon. It is RED. Specifically red. We must not overlook this clue--something about the dragon is particularly red.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 21:01:05 GMT -6
Good point Jim! The greek word translated in English as "red" is "pyrros", which literally means "fire colored"......in the video on the sign of the Dragon we see that the sun in one of the horns right in the body of the tail, which would make the Drakon "fire colored", or red.....
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Post by crovonox on Jul 22, 2017 2:35:45 GMT -6
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