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Post by brad on May 19, 2017 12:52:34 GMT -6
I find it amazing that although we know exactly when the sign will happen (within a few hours on the 23d of September), There is not a clear agreement on when exactly the birth will happen.
Also, for most of us watching, we feel confident that we have the woman correctly Identified but I for one have little confidence with any of the explanations for the second sign… The Fiery Red Dragon.
Perhaps there is good reason for this. If the 7 headed Dragon sign was similar to the sign of the woman being portrayed with the moon, sun and stars I think we would have found it by now.
When Revelation 12:3 describes the dragon there is no mention of stars, the moon or the Sun.
Maybe we need to consider (especially after reading “The Coming U.F.O Disclosure) that this Dragon Sign might actually be Satan and his minions appearing in the clouds at the exact time of the Rapture trying to consume the child when it’s born… Fiery red? 7 big explosions in the clouds?
And one final note… As of now, the bible is still correct, We still don’t know the day or the hour. Many of us are guessing that the rapture will occur at the last trumpet just before sundown Jerusalem time on the 22nd of September… But I am reminded that Thessalonians 4 – 16 informs us that the trumpet Jesus brings with him at the rapture is his own Trumpet, not an Israeli one.
If we were able to see the Red dragon sign in Stellarium now, It would probably reveal the exact day and hour… If so, we might not see it until we are in the clouds!
Just speculating…
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Post by whatif on May 19, 2017 13:38:09 GMT -6
Good points, brad! I've often wondered if perhaps the sign of the Dragon is actually something that we can't scout out ahead of time, but that is an unexpected type of event.
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Post by Gary on May 19, 2017 14:25:00 GMT -6
I find it amazing that although we know exactly when the sign will happen (within a few hours on the 23d of September), There is not a clear agreement on when exactly the birth will happen. Also, for most of us watching, we feel confident that we have the woman correctly Identified but I for one have little confidence with any of the explanations for the second sign… The Fiery Red Dragon. Perhaps there is good reason for this. If the 7 headed Dragon sign was similar to the sign of the woman being portrayed with the moon, sun and stars I think we would have found it by now. When Revelation 12:3 describes the dragon there is no mention of stars, the moon or the Sun. Maybe we need to consider (especially after reading “The Coming U.F.O Disclosure) that this Dragon Sign might actually be Satan and his minions appearing in the clouds at the exact time of the Rapture trying to consume the child when it’s born… Fiery red? 7 big explosions in the clouds? And one final note… As of now, the bible is still correct, We still don’t know the day or the hour. Many of us are guessing that the rapture will occur at the last trumpet just before sundown Jerusalem time on the 22nd of September… But I am reminded that Thessalonians 4 – 16 informs us that the trumpet Jesus brings with him at the rapture is his own Trumpet, not an Israeli one. If we were able to see the Red dragon sign in Stellarium now, It would probably reveal the exact day and hour… If so, we might not see it until we are in the clouds! Just speculating… Wow! I can't believe I never saw this. The sign in Rev. 12:1-2 makes mention of the sun, moon, and stars. The sign in Rev. 12:3-4 makes no mention of either the sun or the moon. Stars aren't part of the sign itself, but it says the dragon sweeps a third of the stars to earth. The stars in this context though are likely "angels" and not actual stars. I need to think through this some more. Perhaps this fits in with Paul warning that satan will show up with all "signs and lying wonders" (2 Thess. 2:8-10). Perhaps their appearance in the sky will be an "alien deception". |
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Post by brad on May 20, 2017 0:08:47 GMT -6
So we can’t see the Red Dragon yet because it might just be in the spiritual realm? Invisible to the human eye, but for those of us who have just been transformed and now have the ability to see everything clearly?
Could this Dragon actually be a 7 headed dragon who launches an immediate attack? To consume the child? Our transition to the throne is at least a 3 step process… First the dead rise, second those who are alive and remain will rise to meet the Lord, and then we go to the throne! We don’t know how long each step will take, but there could be ample time to launch an attack while we are in the clouds!
Just the thought of instantly arriving in the clouds and actually seeing Jesus briefly and then immediately engaging in battle with a 7 headed dragon knowing God has our back sounds awesome to me!
I know I’ve probably lost most of you, but I can’t see a human rising to be the Anti-Christ… I think the Aliens, or Gods showing up performing things humans can’t do makes the most sense.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 7:31:11 GMT -6
This gets more exciting by the day! Folks, hold on to your seats. I'm with you guys I think.
I think we may not see a sign with stars and planets. It might just be the devil himself!
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 7:44:39 GMT -6
Hi guys!
I sent this the other day, but I don't think Gary could hear it. I found the one that was a do over because of the sound issue
This is about the dragon sign.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 7:51:48 GMT -6
I'm with you guys I think. /quote] Why do say that? I hear doubt about something, my heart was pricked. |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 9:13:41 GMT -6
Oh I just mean I think Brad is right about the dragon sign. We don't need to see that sign now to believe that the sign with the woman is the sign in Revelation 12.
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Post by brad on May 20, 2017 9:14:27 GMT -6
Hi guys! I sent this the other day, but I don't think Gary could hear it. I found the one that was a do over because of the sound issue This is about the dragon sign. Hi Truthseeker! That video was much better with sound! I do think this is one of the better theories to explain the Red Dragon, but I question several elements of this alignment... 1- The Woman giving birth sign is extremely exact telling us precisely where the moon, sun and wandering planets will be... Normally they are not there, but on the 23d of September they all line up. As this theory goes the 7 heads are the 7 stars of Serpins (they are always there... nothing unusual here), He further explains the 7 crowns are the seven stars of Corona Borealis... Same thing... they are always there...nothing unusual. The same with the tail of Serpin he counts the 5 stars of Serpins tail and then finally we start counting planets and the sun (5 of them) to complete the 10 horns. Most of the sign is Always there, and so to have the sun along with 4 other planets between Serpins, Scorpio, Libra and Virgo is Just not rare at all. 2- When describing the Dragon in Revelation 12:3 there is absolutely no mention of The Sun, moon or the stars... All of which were specifically mentioned in Revelation 12:1 to describe the Woman. I think we all (myself included) have been hunting on Stellarium for a similar type of sigh for the Dragon... With all of us looking and finding nothing , I think we might want to consider that this dragon sign is not going to be found by counting stars and planets... 3- With the woman sign, there seems to be a flood of scripture pouring in that tells us and confirms who and what the woman is... The biblical evidence for the Dragon only seems to tell us that he will attack the Child, then the Woman and finally the offspring... I am concluding that the Dragon Sign might just be 100% Supernatural in nature... Maybe the first "Lying Wonder" in Satan's attack and deception for the world... |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 9:20:55 GMT -6
This makes way more sense than the other theories I've heard including the Planet X theory.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 9:42:44 GMT -6
Thank you for the clarification Tim.... I have seen so many people start to fall away and question their salvation or indwelling of the Holy Spirit. All because some well meaning person/tv personality taught on a subject that ended up producing doubt and covetnous because one was trying to get what the personality said "he/she" had...i.e..a heightened relationship of ability, not deeper relationship with Christ and his truth, etc.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 9:46:43 GMT -6
In regard to the video, I encourage you to ask him. It is Sam and he is one of the Unsealed contributors on the home page. I know he will welcome your questions. Just know ahead he is of pre-wrath theory...so far... He's still open.
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Post by brad on May 20, 2017 10:10:18 GMT -6
Hi Truth Seeker!
I would love to get Sam's input here... I went to the home page and his link went to a youtube sight... wasn't quite sure how to get a message to him... ?
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 10:19:26 GMT -6
I have contacted him today to ask what's the best way....
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Post by brad on May 20, 2017 10:24:30 GMT -6
Awsome!
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