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Post by holy on Dec 21, 2018 17:56:47 GMT -6
God has used Stephanie in a big way for me. Her “hundred” of articles she has written on Wordpress has blown me away. I’m sure this one will be powerful too.
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Post by holy on Dec 21, 2018 17:58:58 GMT -6
I took a look at the website kjs, and to me, that thought process is disturbing. There are no amens in regards to that website coming from this Christ-follower.. AMEN.....sister! 😎😇
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Post by boraddict on Dec 22, 2018 2:30:59 GMT -6
Sorry boraddict going to have to disagree with you here...
There is no ten lost tribes.....
Even James (Jesus Brother and writer of a book in the Bible)
If there were ten lost tribes -- wouldn't he have indicated in some way?
Notice He calls it a myth........
============= This video says there are five gospels ...........
I still think it is more a matter of semantics -- but the video was very good -- and did a good job describing their position........
I had to smile when I read your post. There are a total of 14 tribes in Israel as follows: 1) Reuben (Gen. 29:32) by Leah 2) Simeon (Gen. 29:33) by Leah 3) Levi (Gen. 29:34) by Leah 4) Judah (Gen. 29:35) by Leah 5) Dan (Gen. 30:6) proxy by Rachael 6) Naphtali (Gen. 30:8) proxy by Rachael 7) Gad (Gen. 30:11) proxy by Leah 8) Asher (Gen. 30:13) proxy by Leah 9) Issachar (Gen. 30:18) by Leah 10) Zebulun (Gen. 30:20) by Leah 11) Joseph (Gen. 30:24) by Rachel 12) Benjamin (Gen. 35:18) by Rachael 13) Ephraim (Gen. 48:5) adoption by Rachael 14) Manasseh (Gen 48:5) adoption by Rachael In Revelation Chapter 7, John lists twelve of these tribes but leaves out Dan, and Ephraim both of whom are from Rachael. In the classic sense however, the two adopted tribes are not counted. Nevertheless, when the kingdom of Israel split, Ephraim was the dominant tribe of the northern part of the kingdom. Thus, the two halves of the kingdom were called Ephraim and Judah. There was such enmity between the two kingdoms that at one point Ephraim conspired with Syria to overtake Judah (Isa. 7). It should also be noted that Levi was the priesthood tribe and was dispersed among the other tribes, and Benjamin was destroyed to near extinction. It perhaps would have been easier for John to have left these two out of the Rev. 7 count; but he kept them in for some unknown purpose. To suggest that these tribes somehow disappeared is to satisfy a preconceived doctrine. Paul himself was of Benjamin (Romans 11:1) showing that the tribes were accounted for during the time of Christ. Thus, two tribes were in Judah and ten tribes were in Ephraim and two tribes were not counted thereby holding to the classical count of twelve (ie. Rev. 7). It should be easy to see that when James wrote, there were 12 tribes in the Assyrian dispersion and two tribes remained in the land of Israel. Later at 70 AD the remaining two tribes were dispersed by the Romans. There is also one technical point with reference to the tribe of Levi. Although this tribe was in the Assyrian dispersion, it also remained in Judah (Acts. 4:36). Again, the reason was that the tribe of Levi was dispersed among all the tribes of Israel so that all would benefit from the priesthood.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Dec 22, 2018 9:36:24 GMT -6
boraddict, I know you don't really mean John was in control of what tribes would be listed in Revelation, right? He was TOLD the tribe names, he heard them, in Rev 7. It wasn't up to him who is listed...just want to clarify what you were saying there.
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Post by uscgvet on Dec 22, 2018 12:31:39 GMT -6
So since the general consensus here is that R.D. is wrong; the whole Bible was written to me, a gentile. ( i.e. I am the audience for the entire Word of God )
I am to: Ignore all verses where a direct audience was clearly defined and written. (I'll use a black marker, or pen to scratch through them) Especially Matthew 15:24
So if I want to enter the Kingdom: I must follow the commandments of the law given to Moses (Mark 10:17-22 ) I must sell everything I own and give to the poor (Mark 10:17-22) & (Acts 4 - Sell everything and share it with the community) I also have to be more righteous than the scribes and the Pharisees with the law (Matthew 5:17-20 )
Is this right?
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Post by Natalie on Dec 22, 2018 12:57:08 GMT -6
What R.D. is getting wrong is that there is not more than one way to be saved. The Jews need faith alone and Gentiles need faith alone. No one needs any sort of work to be saved.
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Post by uscgvet on Dec 22, 2018 13:01:37 GMT -6
What R.D. is getting wrong is that there is not more than one way to be saved. The Jews need faith alone and Gentiles need faith alone. No one needs any sort of work to be saved. James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. 25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? -----> "You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only." <-------- Remember... James 1:1 1 James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad:
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Post by Natalie on Dec 22, 2018 13:02:44 GMT -6
The only way to be more righteous than the scribes is to have the righteousness of Christ.
The directions to give everything away was to reveal where that man's heart was. To point right to his idol.
And the commandments point our need for a savior. Both for the Jews and Gentiles.
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Post by uscgvet on Dec 22, 2018 13:07:21 GMT -6
The only way to be more righteous than the scribes is to have the righteousness of Christ. The directions to give everything away was to reveal where that man's heart was. To point right to his idol. And the commandments point our need for a savior. Both for the Jews and Gentiles. "The directions to give everything away was to reveal where that man's heart was. To point right to his idol." This is an incorrect. “Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?”
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Post by Natalie on Dec 22, 2018 13:10:12 GMT -6
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. Romans 2:8-9
What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5And to the one who does not work but believes ina him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works:
“Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin.” Romans 4:1-8
So was Abraham justified by faith as Romans says or by works as James says? I believe that James taken as a whole says our works show our faith not that works are needed for salvation.
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Post by uscgvet on Dec 22, 2018 13:15:21 GMT -6
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. Romans 2:8-9 What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5And to the one who does not work but believes ina him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works: “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin.” Romans 4:1-8 So was Abraham justified by faith as Romans says or by works as James says? I believe that James taken as a whole says our works show our faith not that works are needed for salvation. Without justification, you are found guilty of the law. Thus you are not saved. Period! If you want a not guilty verdict, you MUST be justified in the law. So which is it? Justified by faith alone in the Gospel written of in Paul's letters to the Jew first and then Gentiles? Or Justified by faith + works in James' epistle to the 12 tribes of Israel? A "Right Divider" sees the audience physically written in ink for everything given throughout the Word of God and applies those facts. You make the assumption "that James taken as a whole says our works show our faith not that works are needed for salvation."
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Post by fitz on Dec 22, 2018 13:21:50 GMT -6
Only Faith justifies...works are the evidence justification has been achieved. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by uscgvet on Dec 22, 2018 13:24:06 GMT -6
Only Faith justifies...works are the evidence justification has been achieved. Nothing more, nothing less. -----> "You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only." <--------
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Post by Natalie on Dec 22, 2018 13:30:18 GMT -6
So, are you saying that a Jew must keep the law and have faith in Christ to be saved?
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Post by uscgvet on Dec 22, 2018 13:33:32 GMT -6
So, are you saying that a Jew must keep the law and have faith in Christ to be saved? This very question is what Acts 9 (Paul sent by Christ to the Gentiles) & 10 - 15 was all about... Gentiles were being circumcised into the law of Moses, getting baptized in water in the name of the Lord, and repenting so they could go into the Kingdom of God. It was revealed to Paul by Christ that this justification is now by Grace through Faith alone in the Gospel Paul preached, revealed to him by Jesus Christ.
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