HERE IT COMES: The Middle East Peace Plan Feb 8, 2020 16:33:45 GMT -6
Post by Beloved on Feb 8, 2020 16:33:45 GMT -6
I don't see it as easily refuted.
2 Thessalonians 2
2 Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. 5 Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things?
So Paul is comforting the Thessalonians, basically saying hey, relax. You may be in tribulation, but this is not The Great Tribulation. That day doesn't come until the Day of the Lord and that day the the man of lawlessness is revealed.
So, if apostasy refers to a "departure' rather than "a falling away", that's great. Either way it happens right before or on the Day of the Lord, and the article you linked says the same. Either way, it seems to me, we are raptured right before the Day of the Lord, or simultaneously. The problem with pre-trib lies in the next part. And this part doesn't happen until the mid-point of tribulation. The revealing of the man of Lawlessness. Does the man of lawlessness reveal himself with a "confirmation" or "strengthening" of a peace plan or covenant? I cannot find scripture that says he is actually revealed at that point. You can argue that he is (debatable), but scripture doesn't seem to say he is actually formally revealed for who he is. Or, as I think it says, he only really formally reveals himself when he takes his seat in the Temple at the mid-point? So we should ask ourselves, "Does he reveal himself twice?" Why would he need to?
Also this -
21 For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again.
Not tribulation, but Great Tribulation. At what time?
15 So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’ described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand)...
Anti-Christ, standing in the holy place. The temple. Mid-point of tribulation.
Back to Paul, he goes on -
6 And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. 8 Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming...
So the Anti-Christ is being restrained and only until God's time will he be revealed. What does restrained mean? No power whatsoever? I don't think so, we've been in varying degrees of some kind of tribulation and evil since the beginning. Interesting that it says the "mystery of the lawlessness is already at work". What is this "mystery"? I think the mystery of lawlessness is a power unseen, unknown except by its effects, that is ever working in the world for evil. It is working against the law and will of God. Including a peace plan that attempts to divide Israel according to man's desire rather than God's. It certainly is a very big step toward the end and I'm not sure what the events will be during the first 3.5 years. Maybe Isaiah 17. Maybe Ezekiel 38. But that doesn't mean the Anti-Christ is actually revealed yet. Moving on, then the one who restrains, the Holy Spirit, the Lord, steps out of the way. Then the lawless one is revealed, again, at the mid-point.
The video mike posted shows scripture interpreting scripture and it seems to me a more solid interpretation of the events that will happen.
It really boils down to where you believe the Day of the Lord begins. At the beginning of the 7 years, or 3.5 into it? Is it the Great Tribulation from the start of the 7 years? Or is it 3.5 years of tribulation and 3.5 years of Great Tribulation. I am leaning towards the later when the Anti-Christ is actually revealed and we are raptured. Especially if we aren't raptured in the the 2020/2021 time frame. If not then, then I think we have to start considering a Pre-Wrath rapture, if the end of the 7 years is a 2027/2028 time frame (Israel Fig-tree generation parable).
Apologies for the late response. Hmm, very well sog . So, it does indeed come down to when the Day begins. However, a very good case can be made for it beginning before this whole mess begins. To begin, I will bring out a very major point. The 24 elders most likely represent the Church, check out these two articles (you won't regret it!) :Article 1, Article 2 If this is so (and it is, I am 99% certain), it doesn't matter when the Day starts; the Church is in Heaven before Seal 1.
Even if this is wrong (and I very, very much doubt it) there are several other points. First, note 1 Thessalonains 5:9,"For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ." We are not appointed to the wrath, but to be saved. However, we know that the wrath begins, at the very least, at the sixth seal (and seals one through four are definitely divine wrath, so probably even before then), for the sixth seal is explicitly said to be an expression of the wrath of the Lamb (Rev. 6:16-17). In fact, these verses say that the day of His wrath has arrived, implying that the Day of the Lord is indeed here. Rev. 3:10 also applies here.
Secondly, note 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3, "For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape." The AoD is not exactly a thief in the night moment; it can be precisely calculated (to at least a month, at best exact day). Another point: at the AoD, the world has already begun to crumble down; the sudden destruction is already here. The 'peace and safety' probably has to do with the covenant Antichrist confirms. It will be like a thief in the night to the world, for they will not expect the wrath of God to begin shortly thereafter. However, if it begins at the AoD, this element of surprise is lost.
Third, note that the Antichrist is said, in Daniel, to be the one who confirms/strengths the covenant. Well, tada! We know that the great leader who confirms this is Antichrist; this will reveal him. Antichrist does many things, and he will be blindingly obvious with those with eyes to see. He will confirm this covenant, he will become king of the world, and he will most likely rebuild the Temple (the Jews will accept as Messiah he who builds the Temple and is from David, and the Jews will accept Antichrist as Messiah (John 5:43), see Mishnah Torah, Sefer Shoftim, Kings and Wars 11). He will be revealed to the world by at least the confirmation, so fret not! Scripture does not contradict itself. Because of all this and more, I truly believe God will rescue His Church from the divine wrath, and we will be safe and secure with Him.