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Post by davewatchman on May 26, 2018 15:02:26 GMT -6
Hi dent, Your thread started out pretty good; however, I was hoping for scriptural references. Then I seen what seemed to be a plug for the Catholic church; a church that embraces the fish-god symbolized by the fish-head-hat and other pagan gods and doctrines. Additionally, the Catholic doctrine of calling men "father" is not in line with the teachings of Christ: "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven" (Matt. 23:9). So, did I understand you correctly, that you are Catholic. I mean, if you are that is okay with me; however, this site does not support Catholic (false) doctrines. I thought this post so funny boraddict. "A plug for the catholic church. "A fish-head-hat. Don't pull any punches, tell us what you think. I love it. Because i'm on the exact same page with this. Who does he think he's fooling with that fish-head-hat? And it was just like Jesus knew it hundreds of years before it ever happened. He knew there would be some erroneous outfit spring up and try to get us to say: "forgive me father for i have sinned". "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven" (Matt. 23:9). Excelentemente. |
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Post by dent on May 26, 2018 15:08:34 GMT -6
Thank you Davewatchman,
Let me share a song with you in exchange:-
I AM organizing a one way trip to EDEN. All welcome subject to TAC's.
The nasty guys holding sharp cutting implements will not bother us. Be assured!
Dent
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Post by dent on May 26, 2018 15:41:08 GMT -6
So, there's demand for scripture.
let me start with the definition of "an evening" and/or "a morning". It is 7 x 70 = 490 years. The basic incremental time period into which the Mayan calendar happens to have been divided. And also alternates "Light" and "Dark" as indeed does Enoch in his description of the last phases of Earth's history up to the end of the sixth day. Where the Mayan calendar stops 7 years short with an epoch changing event that it did not specify.
Or in Daniel speak, 70 weeks of years. Marking the time leading up to the arrival of the BLESSED ONE.
From Christ Mass Day 2019, working backwards one week (of years) we arrive at Christ Mass Day 2012 which I posit references the arrival of Elijah for his 7 year mission of 1260 + 1260 days (Revelations). Which is Three and a Half x 2 years. First half hiding. Second half exciting (to say the least). Last bit seriously contending with JEZEBEL and AHAB and their entire army of Prophets and civil servants (From Kings).
Also from Christ Mass Day 2019, working backwards seventy weeks (of years) we arrive at Christ Mass Day 1530 which I posit was when an arrogant Henry IIX of England had a row with righteous Catherine. During which Henry resolved to Divorce her. To do so he first tried to persuade, then blackmail, then defy the Pope. The result, placed on Paper with Ink, was the Act of SUPREMACY under which future Kings of England where, in effect, gods. The slaughter of many faithful, God fearing Clergy followed. Their monasteries and land being taken over by "The Crown" of England.
The paper ACT was created in 1533 but the SEED of it came as I posit above. It was AN ABOMINATION which through BRITISH EMPIRE has brought DESOLATION on everybody who wasn't BRITISH and/or ANGLICAN (the name of BRITISH PROTESTANTISM.
That deals with 1 (or 69) and 70 of Daniels weeks of years.
Does that "ring" Truth with/for anybody?
Dent.
Another musical interlude:-
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Post by Natalie on May 26, 2018 15:52:45 GMT -6
Honestly, it doesn't ring truth for me. It sounds like your own interpretation of things based loosely on Daniel's 70 weeks.
And we can do without the weird musical interludes. We have a category for sharing God honoring music if you wish.
An evening and a morning is just what it means, night time and day time to equal one calendar day.
I agree that Daniel did speak of 70 weeks of years = 490 years. These years began with the call to rebuild Jerusalem. It's being debated lately whether all 70 weeks have been fulfilled or not. I personally think we have one week left....or more specifically, Israel has one week left.
Where do you find that Elijah has a seven year mission (and it's Revelation - no s on the end) and half of the time he is hidden?
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Post by davewatchman on May 26, 2018 16:01:00 GMT -6
And we can do without the weird musical interludes. We have a category for sharing God honoring music if you wish. That was my fault. I'll take the heat for that. I started it on the other page. I won't do it again. I get sleepy headed on my rest day. Don't blame da Dent for dat. It was the equivalent of a tit for tat. Peaceful rest of the Sabbath  |
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Post by dent on May 26, 2018 16:03:57 GMT -6
Begging your pardon, but the book is entitled "The Revelations of John the Divine".
In some circles it's abbreviated Revelation, but it clearly does contain more than one, and so is abbreviated in the plural in other places.
But we won't worry about that (cos only a Snake would be concerned about a missing or additional "s" - right?)
So, you don't agree my placing Henry in the frame?
I think he is the Father of the Third BEAST referred to in the book I referred to.
So you presumably don't want to know about the fourth beast who came Half a time later?
Dent
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Post by Natalie on May 26, 2018 16:05:04 GMT -6
Dave, I will let you take the blame for starting it  But at least yours was Scripturally sound and God honoring. I'm talking about "Age of Aquarius" that Dent posted. |
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Post by Natalie on May 26, 2018 16:07:05 GMT -6
Begging your pardon, but the book is entitled "The Revelations of John the Divine". In some circles it's abbreviated Revelation, but it clearly does contain more than one, and so is abbreviated in the plural in other places. What translation are you looking at? Mine says "The Revelation of Jesus Christ". John was not Divine. |
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Post by dent on May 26, 2018 16:21:19 GMT -6
Apologies Natalie,
Must be force of habbit, because I've always added the "S" myself. But I just checked and you were correct.
However, the author was, quoting from a Wiki page was:-
John the Divine or Saint/St John the Divine refers to the man whom Christian tradition variously calls:
John of Patmos, author of the Book of Revelation
John the Apostle
John the Evangelist
I believe History is clear that John the "Disciple whom Jesus Loved" was well dead by the time Revelation was written in about 110 ad. Additionally, the literary style of Revelation is completely and utterly different to that of John in his Gospel and three Epistles. And you don't need to be a Greek scholar to "feel" the difference.
But these matters are mere mechanics. It's the content that we desire to understand, right?
Dent
PS: Sorry about the Muse Zac, which I though Spiritually uplifting (even if not religious).
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Post by Natalie on May 26, 2018 16:46:03 GMT -6
How could John record Revelation if he was dead?
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Post by dent on May 26, 2018 17:04:28 GMT -6
How could John record Revelation if he was dead? Natalie, I believe there was more than one John. As indeed there were more than one Judas (recorded in John at the last supper was "Judas (not Iscariot)". Furthermore the name Jude attached to an Epistle was an early Christian tinkering, because according to my IVP Bible dictionary the title was translated into KJV English as Jude to avoid "problems" with its correct name "Epistle of Judas" (probably the "Judas (not Iscariot)" who claims to be "brother of James" in his v1). John of Patmos may well have been an Apostle (sent out one) and he may well have been an Evangelist (a preacher of the Gospel) but scholars are convinced that the author of Revelation was very uneducated grammatically and stylistically compared to the John of Gospel fame. Who wrote with a brilliance of precision, quite unlike the John of Patmos. Surely that's obvious to any reader, even a casual reader. And your question therefore is in fact mine. How could John "the beloved" have been the author since he died more than a decade prior to the John of Revelation. Again, there's no point in hair-splitting, since we agree both authors to have been divinely inspired. Dent |
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Post by dent on May 26, 2018 17:19:55 GMT -6
Goodness,
Just noticed that it's past midnight British Summer Time. Which means today is 27 May 2018.
Which is 15 May plus 12.
And is Christian Pentecost (20 May) plus 7.
And is 3 days short of Christian Ascension Wednesday 30 May 2018.
Boy are there exciting days to come.
The next 48 hours will be telling!
Dent
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Post by Natalie on May 26, 2018 17:32:28 GMT -6
Ok, let's drop the topic of John for now.
I saw you having a discussion with fitz in the shoutbox about the timing of Ascension.
Can you show me in the Bible where Ascension takes place after Pentecost?
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Post by dent on May 26, 2018 17:44:44 GMT -6
No I cannot,
But Christian Tradition says it takes place 10 days after Pentecost.
They pray each day for an aspect of the Holy Spirit of Truth to come to them over the 10 day period.
Like I've said, it's not really about Holy Days, but about the Divine Time-Table which was known to certain of our Christian Fathers. I refer to St Patrick, St Francis of Assisi and various others who managed to operate outside and under the radar of the Popes of their days.
Pentecost was 20 and 21 May 2018
Today is 27 May 2018 (Flood day 39)
Wednesday 30 May 2018 is Ascension Day which will be Flood Day 42
Very exciting days for which I've patently waited (and specifically chose this day to introduce myself to you).
May God bless you richly!
I'd like to add Music, but I can't. I don't know what David my Father would say about that, but he did respect authority even if he didn't agree with it.
Dent
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Post by boraddict on May 26, 2018 17:59:05 GMT -6
Apologies Natalie, Must be force of habbit, because I've always added the "S" myself. But I just checked and you were correct. However, the author was, quoting from a Wiki page was:- John the Divine or Saint/St John the Divine refers to the man whom Christian tradition variously calls: John of Patmos, author of the Book of Revelation John the Apostle John the Evangelist I believe History is clear that John the "Disciple whom Jesus Loved" was well dead by the time Revelation was written in about 110 ad. Additionally, the literary style of Revelation is completely and utterly different to that of John in his Gospel and three Epistles. And you don't need to be a Greek scholar to "feel" the difference. But these matters are mere mechanics. It's the content that we desire to understand, right? Dent PS: Sorry about the Muse Zac, which I though Spiritually uplifting (even if not religious). Hi Dent. I have approximately forty different Bibles and there are some that use the word "Divine." For example, my 1901 (by Louis Klopsch, New York City) introduces the Book of Revelation as "The Revelation of St. John the Divine," as does the Bible that I mark up and basically destroy; a 1979 LDS version of the King James Bible. However, I personally do not use the word "Divine" because it seems a tad old fashioned; not that it really matters. Nevertheless, to claim a "clear" history is a bit presumptuous because history is not necessarily clear. I had to laugh when you said "that John the "Disciple whom Jesus Loved" was well dead by the time Revelation was written." At first I had overlooked this point until I read Natalie's posting. Then I had to do a double take on what you had said. And why would you think that the Book of Revelation was written about 110 AD, and that the literary style of Revelation is completely and utterly different that that of John in his Gospel work? Perhaps one could make the point that the three Epistles had a different style and that would be understandable because they were personal letters. But to think that the Book of Revelation had a different style than that of the Book of Revelation is to imply that John did not write that second book. Is that what you are saying? John made several references to his gospel work in the Book of Revelation. For example, Verse 1:2 is a reference to the three parts of his gospel work: his "record of the word of God" (John 1:1-5), "the testimony of Jesus" (John 21:22-25), and everything between these two points was "everything he (John) saw." Another easy reference that he makes to his gospel is Verse 10:11 that states that he (John) was told "Thou must prophesy again (a second time) before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings." This verse has multiple meanings the first of which is that John was to write the Book of Revelation as a second prophecy to many peoples, nations, tongues, and kings. There are many more examples linking these two books together as well as their literary style. Dent, I can see that you are an absolutely brilliant person. Please slow down and provide details to your work that I find fascinating. When you get better acquainted then you will see that the people on this site are highly educated in matters relating to the gospel and they all have different takes on it. However, the claims that John was dead when the Book of Revelation was written is simply false. |
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But at least yours was Scripturally sound and God honoring. I'm talking about "Age of Aquarius" that Dent posted.