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Post by dent on May 30, 2018 6:54:02 GMT -6
I too am confused by the calendars! However, I think that God would not have made it hard to determine His feast days. I tend to think that in Scripture a feast day is a feast day and a Sabbath is a Sabbath (even though a feast day is a day of rest).  disciple4life Thank you for your post! I too do not think we will still be here next Pentecost. Too much is happening, and it's only accelerating. I've been watching such a short time compared to others, but in the past 7 years or so I have seen it accelerate. I believe we are going Home soon. Can't wait to meet you all and worship our Savior in person. Two points: Daniel was clear that the Beast would alter both times and Laws. Until "Judgement was entered in favour of the saints of the Most High". Second: And I realize there's much to detail, but I've said:- A) I was born 26 September 1957 and was 60 on 23 September 2017. Admittedly 3 days adrift. B) I was baptised into Christ on 21 August 1977 which was 40 years prior to 21 August 2017. C) My wife who divorced me was born 26 May 1959. I've said I believe she was as described in Hosea 1v2 "a whore, for the land's full of whores". D) The date 15 May 2018 is 1 Sivan 5778 which is mentioned by past prophets as significant. And I've stated that I was subject to "Abomination of Abominations" 1260 days prior (15 October 2014) and 390 days before on 15 April 2017. I fully understand that these observations are, to you, nothing. But, to me, they are my life, which provides proof, to me at least that I AM who I say I AM, which I believe I can convince others of given the right questions, and given God's wisdom in expression. I hail from Hove, Sussex, England. I married JANE RUTH SHOVE whose name re-arranges ELIJAH RTN'S HOVE I've more colourful ways of expressing her name in prophetic terms, She cause the above mentioned, but not detailed, abominations to come upon me. Dent |
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Post by mike on May 30, 2018 9:17:17 GMT -6
Dent, these things in your life are truly for a purpose, yet likely not the way you are seeing them.
You're referring to yourself as I AM is starting to push the wrong buttons. We are giving you opportunity to express your views but your self deification is not welcome
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Post by dent on May 30, 2018 10:00:55 GMT -6
Dent, these things in your life are truly for a purpose, yet likely not the way you are seeing them. You're referring to yourself as I AM is starting to push the wrong buttons. We are giving you opportunity to express your views but your self deification is not welcome Mike, I said before I was 'raptured' (from this forum on 27 May) that I do not distinguish between "i am" or "I am" or "I AM" because these are mere pen and ink on paper. Or pixels on your screen. The spoken word is exactly the same in every case. To suggest differently is what Jesus described as "leaven", which is a point of God's Law that simply "isn't". It represents the addition of "jots and tittles" to the Law of God in my opinion. I'd stress that my intention is not to provoke anger or distrust, but on the other hand, the job of a prophet is to provoke righteous thought. To that end I refer you to Psalm 82v6 which is addressed to Israel (as is all Scripture). It reads from God's lips as it were "Have I not said that all of you are God's, sons of the Most High". Jesus quoted this verse as being "Your Law" in John 10v34 and v36 when he said "Why do you accuse me of Blasphemy because I said I am the Son of God" which was the answer to their question "Why do you talk as if you're God". Previously in v35 (which breaks the quoted verse in two) that he was an Israelite and was sanctified, thus laying claim to being a god (or God: no difference in meaning) by Law of God Most High. Note also He said "Scripture cannot be broken" in the context of this particular claim, which was in effect that all true sons of Israel are gods which God Most High refers to as "Israel is my son" reference Exodus 4v22. Also Hosea 11v1 in relation to the Nation. And Psalm 2v7 to David on the day of his Coronation at age 60. And to Jesus shortly before that Son of God was crucified. So please allow me to re-state that "Blessed are those who are not offended". In Jesus day, "they picked up stones to stone him, but he slipped away". Unfortunately, but in the plan of God, they got him later. They crucified him for saying the exact words of "their Law" from God Most High from Psalm 82v6. Peter made the point that to break one Law of God is to break every Law of God. David made the point that "the Law of the Lord is perfect" (Psalm 19). So, please brother, be provoked by me by all means, but please be provoked to deal with "the Law" I've quoted herein and not to concern yourself with "jots and tittles" which I've deliberately presented such as to provoke thinking and not anger, brother. Den |
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Post by mike on May 30, 2018 15:20:26 GMT -6
Dent, these things in your life are truly for a purpose, yet likely not the way you are seeing them. You're referring to yourself as I AM is starting to push the wrong buttons. We are giving you opportunity to express your views but your self deification is not welcome Mike, I said before I was 'raptured' (from this forum on 27 May) that I do not distinguish between "i am" or "I am" or "I AM" because these are mere pen and ink on paper. Or pixels on your screen. The spoken word is exactly the same in every case. To suggest differently is what Jesus described as "leaven", which is a point of God's Law that simply "isn't". It represents the addition of "jots and tittles" to the Law of God in my opinion. I'd stress that my intention is not to provoke anger or distrust, but on the other hand, the job of a prophet is to provoke righteous thought. To that end I refer you to Psalm 82v6 which is addressed to Israel (as is all Scripture). It reads from God's lips as it were "Have I not said that all of you are God's, sons of the Most High". Jesus quoted this verse as being "Your Law" in John 10v34 and v36 when he said "Why do you accuse me of Blasphemy because I said I am the Son of God" which was the answer to their question "Why do you talk as if you're God". Previously in v35 (which breaks the quoted verse in two) that he was an Israelite and was sanctified, thus laying claim to being a god (or God: no difference in meaning) by Law of God Most High. Note also He said "Scripture cannot be broken" in the context of this particular claim, which was in effect that all true sons of Israel are gods which God Most High refers to as "Israel is my son" reference Exodus 4v22. Also Hosea 11v1 in relation to the Nation. And Psalm 2v7 to David on the day of his Coronation at age 60. And to Jesus shortly before that Son of God was crucified. So please allow me to re-state that "Blessed are those who are not offended". In Jesus day, "they picked up stones to stone him, but he slipped away". Unfortunately, but in the plan of God, they got him later. They crucified him for saying the exact words of "their Law" from God Most High from Psalm 82v6. Peter made the point that to break one Law of God is to break every Law of God. David made the point that "the Law of the Lord is perfect" (Psalm 19). So, please brother, be provoked by me by all means, but please be provoked to deal with "the Law" I've quoted herein and not to concern yourself with "jots and tittles" which I've deliberately presented such as to provoke thinking and not anger, brother. Den I am not focused on capitalization of "I Am" or how it appears in pixel or ink but your application to yourself. Please decide what this volcanic message is that you have to deliver. Certainly I would expect (if) God gave it to you so you should be prepped to deliver it by now? |
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Post by dent on May 30, 2018 16:09:15 GMT -6
Hi Mike,
Are we not taught to do as Jesus did?
And are we not to believe what Jesus said in John 10v24-36 in quoting Father (Your Law) from Psalm 82v6 "Have I (Father God) not said that all men are gods, sons of the Most High"
He was crucified because he maintained he was "Son of God" and therefore able to speak with the authority of God (the question which was asked).
There's no doubt in my mind that we and He are supposed to be "one and the same" and that's what happens if we've been properly "converted".
He spoke with authority saying in-effect that He derived his authority because he was Son of God. Throughout John we are individually taught to choose to be "Children of God" 1v12. Or more accurately, to accept our birthright. Which he gives to those who actually receive it. sadly not all do, in fact very very few have done in my view.
This is the Light that Jesus revealed, but hasn't ever been embraced by the Church authorities, since Rome adopted Christ as their 'head'. However it's my position that there are 5 different "Christs" presented in our NT, one of which was "Commissioned" by a "most excellent Theophilus" which if translated fully reads "most excellent god-like".
A major point of the new thread I'll be posting tomorrow 31 May, will be that we as a whole nation need to revisit how we derive our doctrine as to how we define who God is.
Also, because Moses said "I AM WHO I AM" sent me, Pharaoh thought he was God, according to Exodus. And I know exactly how that was the High Priests reaction to Jesus, because it's in my direct experience.
All that said, I'm please that you're not phased by the letters, but by meaning. It's all about the meaning of what God said (IMO).
Dent
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Post by boraddict on May 30, 2018 16:35:55 GMT -6
C) My wife who divorced me was born 26 May 1959. I've said I believe she was as described in Hosea Hi Dent, I hope you are able to stay around for a while because I like our conversations. Just settle in and be a friend. I once had a friend who had a God complex and it was never pleasant. The "I'm better than you" thing got old after a while. However, thank you for Hosea 1:2. In verse 1:11 there is a reference to "Jezereel"; who do you think that is? I know who it is but lets see how far your scriptural knowledge goes. 1) Notice there are two groups and they are "the kingdom of the house of Israel" (v. 1:4-6) and the house of Judah (v. 1:7-10). In the end the children of Judah and the children of Israel are brought together under one head (v. 1:11). These two houses are referenced throughout the Book of Isaiah. Notice Judah is first referenced in Isa. 1:1 and Israel is first referenced in Isa. 1:3. 2) Another clue in the analysis is the "daughter" (Hosea 1:6) that is also referenced in Isa. 1:8. 3) Thus, we have the three children, the kingdom of the house of Israel, the house of Judah, and the daughter of Zion. 4) Basically, the first two children get a holy spanking. The first a bad spanking, the second not so much, and lastly they two are brought together as the daughter under one leader; Jezereel. 5) Who do you say this person is? Please do not say it is you because I know the answer and it is not you. 1 The word of the LORD that came unto Hosea, the son of Beeri, in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah, and in the days of Jeroboam the son of Joash, king of Israel. 2 The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD. 3 So he went and took Gomer the daughter of Diblaim; which conceived, and bare him a son. 4 And the LORD said unto him, Call his name Jezreel; for yet a little while, and I will avenge the blood of Jezreel upon the house of Jehu, and will cause to cease the kingdom of the house of Israel. 5 And it shall come to pass at that day, that I will break the bow of Israel in the valley of Jezreel. 6 And she conceived again, and bare a daughter. And God said unto him, Call her name Loruhamah: for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away. 7 But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the LORD their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen. 8 Now when she had weaned Loruhamah, she conceived, and bare a son. 9 Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God. 10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God. 11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel. |
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Post by dent on May 30, 2018 17:27:18 GMT -6
C) My wife who divorced me was born 26 May 1959. I've said I believe she was as described in Hosea Hi Dent, I hope you are able to stay around for a while because I like our conversations. Just settle in and be a friend. I once had a friend who had a God complex and it was never pleasant. The "I'm better than you" thing got old after a while. However, thank you for Hosea 1:2. In verse 1:11 there is a reference to "Jezereel"; who do you think that is? I know who it is but lets see how far your scriptural knowledge goes. 1) Notice there are two groups and they are "the kingdom of the house of Israel" (v. 1:4-6) and the house of Judah (v. 1:7-10). In the end the children of Judah and the children of Israel are brought together under one head (v. 1:11). These two houses are referenced throughout the Book of Isaiah. Notice Judah is first referenced in Isa. 1:1 and Israel is first referenced in Isa. 1:3. 2) Another clue in the analysis is the "daughter" (Hosea 1:6) that is also referenced in Isa. 1:8. 3) Thus, we have the three children, the kingdom of the house of Israel, the house of Judah, and the daughter of Zion. 4) Basically, the first two children get a holy spanking. The first a bad spanking, the second not so much, and lastly they two are brought together as the daughter under one leader; Jezereel. 5) Who do you say this person is? Please do not say it is you because I know the answer and it is not you. 1 The word of the LORD that came unto Hosea, the son of Beeri, in the days of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah, and in the days of Jeroboam the son of Joash, king of Israel. 2 The beginning of the word of the LORD by Hosea. And the LORD said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom, departing from the LORD. 3 So he went and took Gomer the daughter of Diblaim; which conceived, and bare him a son. 4 And the LORD said unto him, Call his name Jezreel; for yet a little while, and I will avenge the blood of Jezreel upon the house of Jehu, and will cause to cease the kingdom of the house of Israel. 5 And it shall come to pass at that day, that I will break the bow of Israel in the valley of Jezreel. 6 And she conceived again, and bare a daughter. And God said unto him, Call her name Loruhamah: for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away. 7 But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the LORD their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen. 8 Now when she had weaned Loruhamah, she conceived, and bare a son. 9 Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God. 10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God. 11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: for great shall be the day of Jezreel. Hi Boraddict, Firstly let me say how pleased and delighted I am that you've approached warmly. I do so thank you. Hosea is a brilliant prophet, one of the best in my personal preferences. He was placed in God's position with an unfaithful wife who couldn't be trusted to do the right thing. He had three kids by her. One Confused. One Unwanted. One Saved. Same pattern as Adam. Same pattern as Noah. Same pattern as Abraham. Who further groups the first two groups together in one son. Thus planting the seed that is about to bear fruit. Same pattern as Israel which divides between Israel, Samaria and Damascus who turn out to be the three "customers" of Elijah in Kings, who were visited by Elijah after defeating AHAB and JEZEBEL. Whose mission was to unite the children to their father. The job of Elijah is to make peace between Muslims, Christians and Jews in the valley of Jezereel. Jezereel is the "realistic" son of Hosea which means "Who sees?" Jezereel is the son of "Who Sees" who sees clearly. I doubt you'll agree my interpretation, but it is what you requested. And it is true to the best of my knowledge and belief. But it's ONLY my interpretation. Incidentally I have three kids. One Confused. One Unwanted (her mind only) . One Saved. One born on my birthday. One born on her mother's birthday and one born on the birthday of the Queen (and Adolf Hitler). Lot's of co-incidents in my life. Lots God bless you. Den |
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Post by yardstick on May 30, 2018 18:09:10 GMT -6
I too am confused by the calendars! However, I think that God would not have made it hard to determine His feast days. I tend to think that in Scripture a feast day is a feast day and a Sabbath is a Sabbath (even though a feast day is a day of rest). disciple4life Thank you for your post! I too do not think we will still be here next Pentecost. Too much is happening, and it's only accelerating. I've been watching such a short time compared to others, but in the past 7 years or so I have seen it accelerate. I believe we are going Home soon. Can't wait to meet you all and worship our Savior in person. Two points: Daniel was clear that the Beast would alter both times and Laws. Until "Judgement was entered in favour of the saints of the Most High". Second: And I realize there's much to detail, but I've said:- A) I was born 26 September 1957 and was 60 on 23 September 2017. Admittedly 3 days adrift. B) I was baptised into Christ on 21 August 1977 which was 40 years prior to 21 August 2017. C) My wife who divorced me was born 26 May 1959. I've said I believe she was as described in Hosea 1v2 "a whore, for the land's full of whores". This information is (or should be) irrelevant as a proof of anointing as a prophet (which you claim to be). Thus, it is insufficient for establishing your credentials.
D) The date 15 May 2018 is 1 Sivan 5778 which is mentioned by past prophets as significant. And I've stated that I was subject to "Abomination of Abominations" 1260 days prior (15 October 2014) and 390 days before on 15 April 2017. Which prophets and where did they mention this date? Since the "abominations" you speak of (presumably from the passage in Revelation(s)) refer to the Temple, I believe you have misapplied scripture. I fully understand that these observations are, to you, nothing. But, to me, they are my life, which provides proof, to me at least that I AM who I say I AM, which I believe I can convince others of given the right questions, and given God's wisdom in expression. They are not nothing. They are the proofs you are offering to establish legitimacy. Therefore, they are subject to scrutiny for purposes of acceptance of your bona fides.I hail from Hove, Sussex, England. I married JANE RUTH SHOVE whose name re-arranges EL IJAH RTN'S HOVE Your (ex-)wife's name has no 'i' in it; therefore, cannot anagram to what you say it does.I've more colourful ways of expressing her name in prophetic terms, She cause the above mentioned, but not detailed, abominations to come upon me. I am certain that her actions were not wholly the reason.
Dent And your subsequent post: Furthermore, you have claimed here, that you are Elijah (the form of whom appears to you to be irrelevant): unsealed.boards.net/post/22586However, in your very same post you also give the proofs of how [the individual you claim as] Elijah will be known. That is: what actions he will perform as proofs to his identity. Allow me to direct your attention to the same passages you quoted, but in greater detail. Notwithstanding, that Malachi 3:1 clearly indicates it is the LORD who does what is quoted below; for purposes of this rebuttal, I will return your claim to you: Malachi 3:3Have you done this yet? If not, you have not established your qualifications.
Please make your answering statement to this question now: "From whom do you claim to be sent as a prophet?"
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Post by dent on May 30, 2018 18:20:29 GMT -6
Another Coincidence is that my birthday coincides with Atonement Day - Yom Kupper. 26 September 1957 for me and 1986 my only begotten son who tried to kill me two Good Friday's ago.
The Queen and Adolf coincide with Judgement Day - 21 April (Passover for Jews. Crucifixion for Christians). I was sentenced in a British Court on 21 April 2017 (390 days prior to 1 Siven 5998 = 15 May 2018). Part of my punishment was a ban from attending any religious meetings. That's a brief to the point summary. Also a daughter's birthday. The one who thinks she's unwanted and unloved by both parents.
50 days after Judgement comes the Ascension of the survivors. Those saved, which brings us to the end of June. But let me go back to 26 May on which my wife and eldest daughter were born. 12 Siven. Just a couple of days ago, when I posted 41 items in that day and got "raptured". And add that to 27 May being the true date of Pentecost, the coming of the Age of Aquarius, the Outpouring.
When I was a small boy the tune "This is the dawning of the day of Aquarius" burnt into my soul, and I knew the age of the fish, Pieces was ended. At least it shall with the birth of the baby mid summer this year. Every age comes to an end so that the next can start. Jesus bought the end of the Bull, didn't he?
This is cryptic: Elijah will see the end of the Cow (of the Holy kind). God will get his wife back.
Dent
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Post by mike on May 30, 2018 18:42:24 GMT -6
Dent,
I will pray for you sir as you as I see clearly that have you have negelcted everything in your life for your persuit of what you feel is right. But our God does teach us in a book called Proverbs (I'll paraphrase) in a multitude of council there is safety. You dear sir are not safe in your worldview.
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Post by mike on Jun 4, 2018 9:23:46 GMT -6
I am unlocking this thread so the original poster and others who were conversing can continue. Apologies for the derailment
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Post by disciple4life on Jun 5, 2018 3:05:09 GMT -6
I am unlocking this thread so the original poster and others who were conversing can continue. Apologies for the derailment Thanks Mike, and other moderators. I am very sobered by the very real and present threat of false prophets/ false teachers, and the alarming increase in apostasy. It is a huge reminder for all of us as watchmen to use discernment. It's great to have civil and robust discourse - and I really have grown so so much from you- from hearing your perspectives, and in this process, seeing holes in my own ideas, and coming to the realization that what I thought was "right" or true for 30 years, was not Biblical.
With that said, I think most all of my fellow watchmen would agree that there is a quantitative difference between people discussing timelines for the harpazo, and who the 2 witnesses are, and whether the Destruction of Damascus happens just before or just after the rapture, and someone who makes multiple, disturbing claims of being raptured, and equating himself to God.
I was also very struck recently with a powerful profound truth in a Social media meme/ image. I'm an Otter, who loves pictures, stories and word pictures, remember. ;-) This was a picture of a Bald Eagle, and the caption was "Left Wing, Right wing, I need both to fly".
Sometimes, the sick agenda of the "left" - abortion, LGBTCONFUSED, anti-Semitism, etc etc, just makes my head explode, but the lesson - for me, is that I shouldn't demonize or UnChristianize those who have a totally different view on the rapture- whether Post trib, or No Trib, or those who think the tribulation has started, or those who are convinced that Prince William/Elvis is the Antichrist.
I can disagree, but I have to keep the perspective that no one has all the pieces, and like @gary so brilliantly stated, - We should be wary of anyone who claims to - [Steve Fletcher types] The parallels and similarities between Pentecost and the Harpazo are striking. Like Scott Clarke says "He believes the rapture/ harpazo will be on a Feast of Trumpets - maybe not this one." I spent some time this week, reading through Matthew 24 - the Olivette discourse, and what really jumped out was that the clear and plain/ straightforward reading of the text is that what Christ says about "The Son of Man comes when you think not./ and no one knows the day or hour" are all explicitly referring to the return of Christ [Day of the Lord] not the harpazo. - The passage explicitly states "after the tribulation", and gives a whole list of horrible judgments poured out
- I just read through Joel last week, and the Day of the Lord is inseparably linked, not only with Judgment/wrath but destruction, "Who can escape".
- I have also been very fascinated with the huge escalation of volcanic activity in the last month. WOW. I think Harpazo will be on Feast of Trumpets, - for so so many reasons. The passage in the Gospels about the 10 bridesmaids is clearly a wedding passage and a rapture passage. Christ's first miracle was a wedding. We are the Gentile bride, and Feast of Trumpets is the next feast which needs to be fulfilled.
- Another very compelling reason - to me, is that it is 3 1/2 years from Feast of Trumpets to Passover, when the Jews sacrifice a lamb in the temple. Hmmmmm. They just did one this year, on the Temple mount. - Just happened to be on 10th of Nisan. This is hugely prophetic.
- There are many here whom I love and respect and learn from, who believe in an imminent harpazo. - This doesn't fit with scripture at all. How could a harpazo on June 10, or July 4th, or some random Thursday NOT be a surprise - to the tens of thousands of watchmen around the world. ? ? ? For us - Children of the day, we will not be surprised like a thief. *** Remember, why did Christ say the 5 bridesmaids were wicked/foolish? ? - They were wicked/ foolish because they did not know the hour. Maybe - to us watchmen, it would look like a massive - earthquake/volcano on a full moon, 7 day warning, or another huge crash on 1st of Elul. Just like the 2 biggest crashes in US History. Hmmm. Until Feast of Trumpets, we watch, pray, and keep pulling weeds, and planting seed. ;-)
Even so, Lord Jesus come.
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Post by davewatchman on Jun 5, 2018 19:41:02 GMT -6
With that said, I think most all of my fellow watchmen would agree that there is a quantitative difference between people discussing timelines for the harpazo, and who the 2 witnesses are, and whether the Destruction of Damascus happens just before or just after the rapture, and someone who makes multiple, disturbing claims of being raptured, and equating himself to God. "There but for the grace of God, goes i. I might turn into that guy before this whole deal is over with. I think his heart was in the right place. I was also very struck recently with a powerful profound truth in a Social media meme/ image. I'm an Otter, who loves pictures, stories and word pictures, remember. ;-) This was a picture of a Bald Eagle, and the caption was "Left Wing, Right wing, I need both to fly". "And how I bore you on eagles' wings, and brought you to Myself." - Exodus 19:4 "The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness," - Revelation 12:14 Like a solid rocket booster on the space shuttle Discovery, wing #1 was used up during the 1260 years of Pay Pal persecution from 538 to 1798. Wing #2 still seems to be burning it's propellant pending the composite beast's 42 months of end time authority. But we are not the woman in the wilderness anymore. (A shameless plug for talking my book) There are many here whom I love and respect and learn from, who believe in an imminent harpazo. - This doesn't fit with scripture at all. How could a harpazo on June 10, or July 4th, or some random Thursday NOT be a surprise - to the tens of thousands of watchmen around the world. And now for the real reason for my note. I wonder what made you say June 10. On the shoutbox at the bottom of the page i saw earlier where a poster mentioned something about a girl getting a message from the Lord that He would come before her next birthday, June 9. June 10 is next Sunday. I googled the daylights out of it, but i can't find the little June 9 girl. I'm watching this video while i'm writing this, where the author is saying that the true Pentecost is on June 21. I can't figure out why. Something about the 70th Pentecost. He sounds like a nice guy, i'm sure his heart's in the right place. But i can't really figure out what he's talking about. I might watch it again latter when i'm not trying to trap a racoon at the same time: I googled June 10 and can only find one video on it, and it sounds questionable: But June 10 is next day on the back of my envelope calculation. I'm not dogmatic about it, i didn't stock up on cat food and batteries like i have on other occasions. But it would be cool if it was. Six segments of 70 days from the Revelation 12 conjunction, to the "darkened" sun. It would mean that the days were shortened to 210 days, three segments of 70 days until a "darkened" sun and a moon that will not give her light. Seven months that would include a five month season so the locusts can still be happy.  Even so, Lord Jesus come. |
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Post by boraddict on Jun 6, 2018 0:53:43 GMT -6
Just an interesting observation:
1) Matt. 24:27 links to Rev. 7:2 via the phrase "the east."
Thus, "the lightening" in Matt. 24:27 is "the angel having the seal of the living God" in Rev. 7:2.
As such, Matt. 24:27 reads: "For as "the angel having the seal of the living God" cometh out of the east and shineth even unto the west so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."
Thus it appears that there are two events, or, one event stated twice. The first event is referenced as "a carcase" in Matt. 24:28, and the second event is referenced as "the eagles."
Thus, Matt. 24:28 reads: "For wheresoever "the angel having the seal of the living God" is, there will the "Son of man be" gathered together.
2) Next is the phrase "four winds" linking Matt. 24:31 to Rev. 7:1.
Since the above two links connect Matt. 24 and Rev. 7 together, then the gathering of the twelve tribes (rapture) in Rev. 7 is at Matt. 24:27-31.
Since "the end" (Matt. 24:14) is at Matt. 24:15-21, then the rapture must occur at Verses 24:3-14 (the carcase) and is restated at Matt. 24:27-31.
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Post by davewatchman on Jun 6, 2018 5:19:31 GMT -6
Just an interesting observation: 1) Matt. 24:27 links to Rev. 7:2 via the phrase "the east." Thus, "the lightening" in Matt. 24:27 is "the angel having the seal of the living God" in Rev. 7:2. As such, Matt. 24:27 reads: "For as "the angel having the seal of the living God" cometh out of the east and shineth even unto the west so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." Thus it appears that there are two events, or, one event stated twice. The first event is referenced as "a carcase" in Matt. 24:28, and the second event is referenced as "the eagles." Thus, Matt. 24:28 reads: "For wheresoever "the angel having the seal of the living God" is, there will the "Son of man be" gathered together. 2) Next is the phrase "four winds" linking Matt. 24:31 to Rev. 7:1. Since the above two links connect Matt. 24 and Rev. 7 together, then the gathering of the twelve tribes (rapture) in Rev. 7 is at Matt. 24:27-31. That IS an interesting observation. But i don't think Rev. 7:1 and Matt. 24:31 are the same things. One is talking about just before the tribulation breaks out, the latter is talking about immediately after the tribulation of those days. And i think "east" is symbolic for the good Guys. Jesus comes like lightning from the east. The Revelation 7 angel ascends from the east. To prepare the way for the kings from the east. The Revelation 16 Kings are the Father and Jesus, not the Asian nations like everyone says. "The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, to prepare the way for the kings from the east. Is like: “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, The drying up of the great river Euphrates to make way for the kings from the east.. Him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. The Father is coming too. The drying up of the great river Euphrates is symbolic for destruction coming from out of the north, the north wind of heaven. It's the same concept as Daniel 8's "four winds of Heaven". Out from one of them came a little horn. To the south and to the east and to the glorious land which is west. Now we're talking about direction. That means he came from the north. Assyria is to the north of Israel. Bad guys come from the "north". The Euphrates river was a large natural encumbrance preventing invading armies from the north coming down into Israel. You should be able to find all the OT verses referring to Divine destruction coming down from the north. Nebuchadnezzar is a fine example of destruction which came down from the north and wiped out Jerusalem. "Then the LORD said, "This means destruction will break out from the north on all ... cry, O city; Melt away, O Philistia, all of you; For smoke comes from the north, - Isaiah 14:31. "Then the LORD said to me, "Out of the north the evil will break forth on all the inhabitants of the land. - Jeremiah 1:14. "For I am bringing disaster from the north, even terrible destruction." ... Set up the banner in Zion: come together, do not delay: for I bring evil from the north wind, - Jeremiah 4:6. "Egypt is like a very fair heifer, but destruction cometh; it cometh out of the north. - Jeremiah 46:20. When this river dries up the way is made for destruction to come down from out of the north. This is Divinely mandated destruction, not a natural or man made event. I'm noticing also that while the disaster does come from the north, it's God that brings it. "For I am bringing disaster from the north, even terrible destruction. There's that "I AM" again, our favorite. Before Abraham was born. Thus, "the lightening" in Matt. 24:27 is "the angel having the seal of the living God" in Rev. 7:2. Or, this all could be just due to the Earth's rotation. When an angel is seen making a trip from Heaven, it's going to look from our perspective as if he is coming from the rising of the sun, which is east. Since "the end" (Matt. 24:14) is at Matt. 24:15-21, then the rapture must occur at Verses 24:3-14 (the carcase) and is restated at Matt. 24:27-31. Are you saying that the rapture has to occur at some point within Verses 3-14? I agree that there are restatements. Around five examples of repetition and enlargement. The ESV looks like it did a good job of placing those headers in the right places. |
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