Defining and recognizing fulfillment

Thank you so much gkp.  So encouraging - and I just happen to have that very hymn line sitting out right now. 

gkp, likewise - doubtful I'll be in that area but who knows what God will do 
I return that invite to NYC since I am quite close to there

1535 X 62 weeks of 434 years = 1969.

1969 X 7 weeks of 49 years = 2018.

Until Messiah the Prince.

There's more to it, i'm sure. Daniel 9 had to have embedded within the text a provision for two separate comings of Messiah. A primary, and a secondary. 7 weeks, and 62 weeks. 62 weeks, and 7 weeks. The Old Time Jews might have accepted their Messiah.

It could also be January 2019, the "darkened" sun confirms.

In the first paragraph of this Israeli Government website, you can read: "and in January 1969 the Company was established.

www.rova-yehudi.org.il/areas-of-activity-2/

I agree that we're probably very close.

Sir Isaac Newton on Daniel 9:

"The former part of the Prophecy related to the first coming of Christ, being dated to his coming as a Prophet; this being dated to his coming to be Prince or King, seems to relate to his second coming. There, the Prophet was consummate, and the most holy anointed: here, he that was anointed comes to be Prince and to reign. For Daniel's Prophecies reach to the end of the world; and there is scarce a Prophecy in the Old Testament concerning Christ, which doth not in something or other relate to his second coming."

"This part of the Prophecy being therefore not yet fulfilled, I shall not attempt a particular interpretation of it, but content myself with observing, that as the seventy and the sixty two weeks were Jewish weeks, ending with sabbatical years; so the seven weeks are the compass of a Jubilee, and begin and end with actions proper for a Jubilee, and of the highest nature for which a Jubilee can be kept: and that since the commandment to return and to build Jerusalem, precedes the Messiah the Prince 49 years; it may perhaps come forth not from the Jews themselves, but from some other kingdom friendly to them, and precede their return from captivity, and give occasion to it."

"Thus have we in this short Prophecy, a prediction of all the main periods relating to the coming of the Messiah; the time of his birth, that of his death, that of the rejection of the Jews, the duration of the Jewish war whereby he caused the city and sanctuary to be destroyed, and the time of his second coming and so the interpretation here given is more full and complete and adequate to the design, than if we should restrain it to his first coming only, as Interpreters usually do".
So even if 1969 is correct, that would count out 7 weeks of 49 years, the "compass of a Jubilee", pointing to the 50th year of 2019. The Revelation 12 sign confirms this with it's conjunction measuring to a "darkened" sun.
What i think could still be happening is that something might occur on April 1st, 49 years after the decree in 1969, that would confirm the coming of the Son of Man, and that would then lead us to the January 2019 50th year. And we give back the land, the planet, to it's rightful owner, the Lord.

But i really can't say for sure right now.

If you can find real proof for April 1, 1969, be sure to post it.

I can recognize what you're saying. I understand the thought behind it. Sour grapes taste sweet in the mouth, but bitter in the stomach. People got their hopes up, and then we were disappointed. What is going on? It's happened before, but i doubt that it will continue to happen for very much longer. There's too many sign posts from history that are irreplaceable in time. These events are never going to happen again. 1535, 1948, 1969, 1994 + 21 impacts take us to 2015 where the third moon of that tetrad marks out 1260 days with the Revelation 12 sign confirming the last 420 days of that time until a "darkened' sun and a moon that will not give her light.

My line was drawn in 2013, and will culminate in 2019. It was drawn by the Hand of God at the foundation of the universe when He set the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. If nothing happens by then, i am out. And i can't see anything beyond that goal post. There's nothing else there. So i'll refocus on apologetics. Since i'm a 5 point hyper Calvinist, i can do that by doing something else like building a pole barn structure to store my junk trucks. Nobody is going to snatch any of the Father's Sheep from His Son's righteous right Hand.

My honest thoughts on the Revelation 12 sign is that it's the real deal. Although i never thought that 9/23 would be the rapture. I've got date stamped posts on another forum to prove that very early on i said that it was the conjunction between Jupiter and Virgo. That's what the Revelation 12 sign was pointing to. It's marking out the last third of a 1260 day span of time. But it's only one end of the tape measure. We need more than one witness to settle a matter. That conjunction marks out a 420 day percentage, a third of a 1260 day interval, which can be measured from the third moon of the tetrad. Which i suspect is the moon spoken of by the prophet Joel. I need to show why i think marking out a "third" of this time period is the key and what it could be indicating.

What's my big deal with this 420 day deal? It means we're in the days of the Moabites again. We already could be inside of a 1260 day segment. If this is true, things could start suddenly, and conclude very quickly. The events would pass very fast during the worst time of emergency the planet has ever seen, or will ever see again. I will be on red alert again during the Passover/Good Friday/ Easter weekend. If nothing happens there, i will keep watching through to the second Passover and then on into Pentecost. But first i need to explain my understanding of the Hebrew Couplet, of all things, before i can have a chance to explain my understanding of where the Revelation 12 sign is showing where we are now. Because the vision concerns the time of wrath, and the time of wrath appears to be split into thirds.

The Hebrew Couplet

Psalm 24:7

"Lift up your heads, O gates!
And be lifted up, O ancient doors,
that the King of glory may come in.

This should be the classic example of the Hebrew couplet. The "gates" are the same thing as the "ancient doors". Easy right? Like poetry.

Isaiah 34:8

"For the LORD has a day of vengeance,
a year of recompense for the cause of Zion.

In this case a "day" of vengeance, appears to the the equivalent of a "year" of recompense.

Daniel 8:19

"I am going to tell you what will happen later in the time of wrath,
because the vision concerns the appointed time of the end.

And here is the reason for the couplet detour. Gabriel is telling Daniel that the "time of wrath" is the same thing as the "appointed time of the end". The appointed time of the end IS the time of wrath. I know, Paul said that we are not appointed to wrath. "For God has not appointed us to suffer wrath. But God has various kinds of wrath. I know that the wrath Paul was talking about was the final and ultimate wrath at the great white throne judgement because the verse continues: "but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. Now i need to show how God's wrath can usually have a signature specification, it's often split into sections of three, split into "thirds".

The Wrath of Abandonment

God even has a type of invisible wrath when God gave them over to a reprobate mind, the wrath of abandonment. The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, Three times we read that God gave them over, God gave them over, God gave them over, to a depraved mind.

God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
Because of this,

God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.

The Times of the Moabites

Throughout the Bible, God spoke of His wrath in thirds. King David defeated the Moabites and made them all lay down on the ground and counted off and killed every two individuals, but spared the third person. Revelation 8's narrative mentions 12 times where destruction comes to a "third'.

A third of the earth was burned up,
A third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.
A third of the sea turned into blood,
A third of the living creatures in the sea died,
A third of the ships were destroyed.
A third of the rivers and on the springs of water
A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.
A third of the sun was struck,
A third of the moon, and
A third of the stars, so that
A third of them turned dark.
A third of the day was without light, and also
A third of the night.

Sometimes a third is destroyed and two thirds are spared, In other cases all three thirds are destroyed. Revelation talks about the great city being split into three parts, split into thirds. Not a third to spare? All three thirds are destroyed. Total destruction, like in the cases of Sodom and Gomorrah.

A third of your people will die of the plague or perish by famine inside you;
A third will fall by the sword outside your walls; and
A third I will scatter to the winds and pursue with drawn sword.

“Then my anger will cease and my wrath against them will subside, and I will be avenged. And when I have spent my wrath on them, they will know that I the Lord have spoken in my zeal.

His wrath is spent, when all three thirds are dealt with.

These Visitations of a "third", would seem to have God's signature on them. When the trumpet number one burns up a third of the earth, the people will know that the Lord has spoken in His zeal. I'm trying to show how it could happen latter in the time of wrath, if God's wrath continues to be split into sections of three, for the vision concerns the appointed time of the end.

God gave them over. God gave them over. God gave them over.

<-------------1260------------->

<--420--><--420--><--420-->

The Revelation 12 sign's conjunction, on 11/13/2017, marked out the last third of a 1260 day span when measured to the "darkened" sun on 1/6/2019. 420 days. But what if we are even being spared a third of a third, a third within a third?. So that if those days had not been shortened, no flesh would be saved alive.

<--------------420-------------->

<--140--><--140--><--140-->

<--140--><--------280-------->

The first 140 day span, within the 420 day segment, counts from the Jupiter/Venus conjunction, until April fools day. That's the Passover weekend, Easter falls on April 1st.

Then the last two 140 day spans, 280 days, take us right up to the "darkened " sun. Is it just a coincidence that the 280 days is the average time of a woman's pregnancy.

With them God's wrath is completed

The Hebrew version of Matthew 24, the duTillet, doesn't read: "the beginning of birth pangs" or the "beginning of sorrows". It reads: an "earthquake in everyplace", and "these are the beginning of the plagues". The beginning of the plagues. And then in addressing the seven vials, Revelation describes them as: "seven angels with the seven last plagues--last, because with them God's wrath is completed.

If there are seven LAST plagues, it would seem to indicate or to imply that there are seven FIRST plagues. The first four trumpets, the beginning of the plagues, harm the earth and the trees and the sea. Therefore if the seven LAST plagues complete God's wrath, can it be said that the first four trumpets begin God's wrath?. Do not harm the earth, nor the sea, nor the trees, until we shall have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads. Then the beginning of the "birth pangs" and only 280 days latter until the "sackcloth" sun when the fig tree sheds it's winter fruit when shaken by a mighty January Wind. I don't think the pre trib people will be disappointed.



The 11/13/2017 conjunction of Jupiter and Venus, right on the constellation border line:





The January 6, 2019, "darkened" sun:




From the conjunction until the "darkened" sun:





From the conjunction, until April 1, 2018:





From April 1, 2018, until the "darkened" sun:





And while i was clicking around, i found out that: 98% of the Bible is now tweetable with the new 280 character limit. And 60% of Bible verses are less than 140 characters long.

https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/7ccq49/98_of_the_bible_is_now_tweetable_with_the_new_280/




And: "After 280 days, the activity of a radioactive sample is 6000 dps. The activity reduces to 3000 dps after another 140 days. Therefore, the half life of the sample is 140 days. 280 days is it's two half lives.


My eye is getting caught by these numbers everywhere.


If he comes in the second watch,
or in the third watch, and finds them awake,
blessed are those servants!

That the King of Glory may come in.

I can't find any primary sources, but this April 1st date is mentioned in this islamic article: www.discoveringislam.org/end_israel_4.htm


"From destruction of the southern kingdom (and the exodus from Jerusalem) in 586 BC to Israel's capture of Jerusalem in 1967 AD, there are 364 Sabbath years. The Sabbath year of 365 was in 1969 (Israeli Knesset voted to re-build & restore the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem on April 1, 1969) and thereby a full solar cycle was completed. It is also the same number for the Sabbath year before the date of the exodus from Egypt."

This is an interesting page full of mathematics based on different dates involving Israel. There is an interesting proposition to count sabbath years (every 7th year is a sabbath year), and the number 365 jumped out at me in the above text. Either way, they seem to agree with the April 1, 1969 date. 

The Complete Idiot's Guide to Jerusalem also lists this date, but I don't see any footnotes or anything citing their source.
books.google.com/books?id=b3ASOM9JKc4C&pg=PA177&lpg=PA177&dq=knesset+jewish+quarter+April+1+1969&source=bl&ots=Av7teN4VGP&sig=jdtgbmT2r92uieSNJ8lc9F6fTSY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjplOvB0_7ZAhVHmVkKHbd0D3IQ6AEIYzAH#v=onepage&q=knesset%20jewish%20quarter%20April%201%201969&f=false