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Post by watchmanjim on May 1, 2017 20:39:53 GMT -6
How much do you know about the Kurds? They are a very interesting people, and among the most even-keeled and open-minded muslim-dominated ethnicities. I say muslim-dominated because a majority of Kurds are muslims, but some are Christians or other religions. For hundreds of years, the muslim-majority Kurds have tolerated and protected religious and ethnic minorities in their midst from attacks and persecution by other muslim groups. If there ever were such a thing as a moderate, or liberal muslim, you would be talking about the Kurds. They give their women much more freedom than other muslim groups. They tolerate people of other religions and ethnicities far better than other groups. They are also fierce Natural Law fighters, putting their blood on the line to defend their freedom, time and again. Even many of their women are renowned warriors. I suspect these people will become more and more important to events in the Middle East as we go along. Who are the Kurds? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds |
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Post by Gary on May 2, 2017 12:25:17 GMT -6
Considering their location in ancient Assyria. Perhaps Isaiah 19:25 can speak to this:
The LORD Almighty will bless them, saying, "Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria my handiwork, and Israel my inheritance."
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Post by watchmanjim on May 2, 2017 17:39:56 GMT -6
Very good, Gary, and you may be entirely right, with nothing more to add. One thing to keep in mind, though, is that there is also an ethnicity of people today specifically calling themselves Assyrians, which are not Kurds.
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Post by watchmanjim on May 7, 2017 20:17:42 GMT -6
But here is what I am really getting at. www.haaretz.com/study-finds-close-genetic-connection-between-jews-kurds-1.75273This is an older study that was done, but it is very interesting in its conclusions. First, it uses only Y-DNA information. This is incredibly important because it is Patrilineal genealogies that seem to matter most to God in the Bible. By contrast, Jewish people today tend to rely on matrilineal descent to determine someone's "Jewishness." Y-DNA only deals with that which is passed down from father to son. Therefore you can determine a direct male ancestry by it (to the extent it is accurate). All lengthy genealogies in the Bible follow the Patriarchal line and not the matriarchal line. Therefore, I conclude that when God determines which family, clan, tribe, or ethnicity a person belongs to, He uses patrilinear descent rather than matrilinear, or any other method such as "preponderance of total descent." Second, The exact origins of the Kurds is not well established in history, especially before about 200BC. You can see the Wikipedia account I posted in a previous post to see that. Third, the Kurds do indeed seem to be centered around the area of ancient Assyria, now and throughout their known history--- Fourth, the Bible indicates the Assyrians are not very closely related to Israelites, especially in a patrilineal sense. . . . (Gen. 10:6-12) (Descended from Ham, not Shem). Fifth, we have this passage from the Biblical record: 2Ki 18:11 And the king of Assyria did carry away Israel unto Assyria, and put them in Halah and in Habor by the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes: 2Ki 18:12 Because they obeyed not the voice of the LORD their God, but transgressed his covenant, and all that Moses the servant of the LORD commanded, and would not hear them, nor do them. This Wikipedia article for Tel Halaf reveals some incredible info about this place and its archaeological digs conducted by a German Dilomat-turned-archaeologist, Max Oppenheim: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tell_HalafAnd what I find even more incredible is that the Professor who conducted the genetic testing showing that Kurds are incredibly closely related to Jews is also named Oppenheim--(Ariella Oppenheim), what a coincidence! (See the story at the top of this post). And even more incredible, the article was posted in 2001, after the study was completed (the timing of the study process is not revealed in the article), and this is very close to 100 years after Max Oppenheim discovered Tel Halaf, which is almost certainly one of the Assyrian-occupied cities the northern Israelites were resettled in by the conquering Assyrians. Then we have this Biblical account: 1Ch 5:26 And the God of Israel stirred up the spirit of Pul king of Assyria, and the spirit of Tilgathpilneser king of Assyria, and he carried them away, even the Reubenites, and the Gadites, and the half tribe of Manasseh, and brought them unto Halah, and Habor, and Hara, and to the river Gozan, unto this day. Most people who comment on this seem to indicate that the River Gozan is the same as the Khabur River, and that this name is related to the afore-mentioned Habor. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khabur_(Euphrates)So what I am proposing is the possibility that the Kurds could be Israelites. Some of the lost tribes. Quite possibly they never got all that lost at all, they perhaps stayed in the same place the whole time, and just lost their continuing identity. One place I read suggests that the fluidity of consonants among the various languages involved could indicate that in older times "Kurd" was pronounced more like "Gurd." And from there, I don't have too much trouble hypothesizing a link to the tribe of Gad, possibly as one of the more prominent of the captured tribes. The Kurds, even as a predominantly Moslem people group in the past 1,000+ years, have actively harbored and protected Jews, Christians, Yazidis, Zoarastrians, and other minority ethnic and reigious groups from the more aggressive Moslem entities in the area. Now look at this article in the Jerusalem Post last year: www.jpost.com/Middle-East/This-is-our-1948-Kurds-kindle-a-close-relationship-with-Jews-and-Israel-453715With all this in mind, are you seeing the connections I am seeing, or am I just imagining it? |
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Post by watchmanjim on May 7, 2017 20:56:32 GMT -6
And here is one of the full published genetic studies, but I guess this isn't the one that includes Kurds. www.pnas.org/content/97/12/6769.shortThis other news article talks about the study involving the Kurds, and also shows the similarity between Jews, Kurds, Palestinians, and Armenians! www.berfin-kurd.net/bond.htmOne thing I have often suspected when looking for people groups that might be lost-tribe Israelites (in anticipation of an Ezekiel 37 2-sticks reunion) is to look for other people groups that were either wanderers, persecuted, or deprived of a homeland, as possible candidates. Armenians and Kurds (and arguably Palestinians) fit one or more of those descriptions each, and so do certain other groups such as the Roma (Gypsy) people. I would love to see how Roma genetics compare to Jewish. The Roma have wandered the earth much like many Jews have done for many years, and they were also actively persecuted during Hitler's Holocaust. The Armenian holocaust of 100 years ago resulted in a dispersion of many Armenians, including to America, where one descendant of Armenian refugees was my history professor in college. |
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Post by watchmanjim on May 14, 2017 20:44:00 GMT -6
Any thoughts on this?
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Post by watchmanjim on Sept 17, 2017 7:23:29 GMT -6
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Post by thetimeoftheend on Sept 17, 2017 17:26:09 GMT -6
I've not had the time to dig into the genetic pieces, but I've certainly developed an affinity for the Kurds over the last several years. But if they are Jews, it would explain why they, their women included, are such fine warriors.
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Post by watchmanjim on Sept 17, 2017 22:01:07 GMT -6
Yes. Except they would be Israelites, not Jews--they would almost certainly be descendents from other tribes, whereas Jews are descended from Judah (or people from other tribes that stuck with Judah after the split).
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Post by thetimeoftheend on Sept 17, 2017 22:29:44 GMT -6
Yes. Except they would be Israelites, not Jews--they would almost certainly be descendents from other tribes, whereas Jews are descended from Judah (or people from other tribes that stuck with Judah after the split). I stand corrected sir, good catch. |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 19, 2017 0:39:05 GMT -6
I've been thinking a lot about the Antichrist arising from a newly formed Kurd nation, maybe Israelite by blood but Muslim by religion. If the surrounding Islamic countries all come together in a 10 nation confederacy and put pressure on Israel, I could see that such a ruler from Kurdistan could be uniquely positioned to bridge the gap. The Kurds already view Israel with a form of comradary because of their histories of ethnic persecutions.
It sure would explain a lot of references to the AC—the Assyrian, king of Babylon, the abominable branch, etc.
It's interesting to me how over and over in the Old Testament prophecies, God destroys Egypt and Assyria/Babylon (I believe these are the king of the south and king of the north). It seems like the Israelites flee to Egypt in some passages and are sold into slavery to Assyria/Babylon in others. But in the end, God specifically talks about how He will heal these two nations along with Israel. There will even be a highway going between all three. It's all very curious. I can't work out how it all fits together but it seems like there is something here.
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 19, 2017 8:27:36 GMT -6
Oh yeah, and Egypt wants to be involved in the Israel/Palestinian peace process.
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 21, 2017 21:49:30 GMT -6
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Post by andrew on Sept 22, 2017 11:28:35 GMT -6
So...basically, greater Israel will come up for a vote...Monday...two days after the first of two great signs foretold from God the father, by Jesus, to John the beloved apostle, on down to us in the Bible...just days after the prime minister of where...that's right, Israel, used the Bible to defend Israel's right to the territory God promised them, while he was speaking to the United Nations. United against what? Mostly...Israel. Obviously a mere coincidence! How can you people live with yourselves spreading these conspiracy theories?! |
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Post by yardstick on Sept 25, 2017 0:48:00 GMT -6
But here is what I am really getting at. www.haaretz.com/study-finds-close-genetic-connection-between-jews-kurds-1.75273This is an older study that was done, but it is very interesting in its conclusions. First, it uses only Y-DNA information. This is incredibly important because it is Patrilineal genealogies that seem to matter most to God in the Bible. By contrast, Jewish people today tend to rely on matrilineal descent to determine someone's "Jewishness." Y-DNA only deals with that which is passed down from father to son. Therefore you can determine a direct male ancestry by it (to the extent it is accurate). All lengthy genealogies in the Bible follow the Patriarchal line and not the matriarchal line. Therefore, I conclude that when God determines which family, clan, tribe, or ethnicity a person belongs to, He uses patrilinear descent rather than matrilinear, or any other method such as "preponderance of total descent." Second, The exact origins of the Kurds is not well established in history, especially before about 200BC. You can see the Wikipedia account I posted in a previous post to see that. Third, the Kurds do indeed seem to be centered around the area of ancient Assyria, now and throughout their known history--- Fourth, the Bible indicates the Assyrians are not very closely related to Israelites, especially in a patrilineal sense. . . . (Gen. 10:6-12) (Descended from Ham, not Shem). Fifth, we have this passage from the Biblical record: 2Ki 18:11 And the king of Assyria did carry away Israel unto Assyria, and put them in Halah and in Habor by the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes: 2Ki 18:12 Because they obeyed not the voice of the LORD their God, but transgressed his covenant, and all that Moses the servant of the LORD commanded, and would not hear them, nor do them. This Wikipedia article for Tel Halaf reveals some incredible info about this place and its archaeological digs conducted by a German Dilomat-turned-archaeologist, Max Oppenheim: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tell_HalafAnd what I find even more incredible is that the Professor who conducted the genetic testing showing that Kurds are incredibly closely related to Jews is also named Oppenheim--(Ariella Oppenheim), what a coincidence! (See the story at the top of this post). And even more incredible, the article was posted in 2001, after the study was completed (the timing of the study process is not revealed in the article), and this is very close to 100 years after Max Oppenheim discovered Tel Halaf, which is almost certainly one of the Assyrian-occupied cities the northern Israelites were resettled in by the conquering Assyrians. Then we have this Biblical account: 1Ch 5:26 And the God of Israel stirred up the spirit of Pul king of Assyria, and the spirit of Tilgathpilneser king of Assyria, and he carried them away, even the Reubenites, and the Gadites, and the half tribe of Manasseh, and brought them unto Halah, and Habor, and Hara, and to the river Gozan, unto this day. Most people who comment on this seem to indicate that the River Gozan is the same as the Khabur River, and that this name is related to the afore-mentioned Habor. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khabur_(Euphrates)So what I am proposing is the possibility that the Kurds could be Israelites. Some of the lost tribes. Quite possibly they never got all that lost at all, they perhaps stayed in the same place the whole time, and just lost their continuing identity. One place I read suggests that the fluidity of consonants among the various languages involved could indicate that in older times "Kurd" was pronounced more like "Gurd." And from there, I don't have too much trouble hypothesizing a link to the tribe of Gad, possibly as one of the more prominent of the captured tribes. The Kurds, even as a predominantly Moslem people group in the past 1,000+ years, have actively harbored and protected Jews, Christians, Yazidis, Zoarastrians, and other minority ethnic and reigious groups from the more aggressive Moslem entities in the area. Now look at this article in the Jerusalem Post last year: www.jpost.com/Middle-East/This-is-our-1948-Kurds-kindle-a-close-relationship-with-Jews-and-Israel-453715With all this in mind, are you seeing the connections I am seeing, or am I just imagining it? It would be one heck of a plot twist to have the 'lost 10 tribes' be Kurds and return to Israel. It would also put a serious kink in the theory that the 'lost 10 tribes' are spread across europe (british-israelism, et al) - namely, it would be they who are the ones who are the synagogue of satan... |
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