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Post by bruce on Feb 22, 2018 8:17:20 GMT -6
I've been speculating about a new date of my own recently. I think Scottie's claim that Pentecost is really a conception and not a birth was a great insight. If that's the case, then one might think that we should add 9 months to Pentecost to see when the birth of the church might occur. In 2017 there were a few dates for Pentecost, but they were all within a few days. I will go with the standard Christian festival which was June 4, 2017. If you add a strict 9 months you get to March 4. However, they say an average healthy pregnancy is really 280 days. That would take us to March 11. Finally, however, if we go with the maximum healthy pregnancy, that is 294 days (42 weeks). That lands on March 25, 2018 which on the Christian calendar is a rare combination of the Annunciation (the observed day when the angel told Mary she would have Jesus) and Palm Sunday, the day most scholars believe is when Daniel's 69th week ended circa 32/33 AD. Interestingly also, Sunday night March 25 into Monday March 26 on the Jewish calendar in 2018 is Nissan 10 which is the day that Joshua lead the Israelites across the Jordan River into the promised land. When we looked at how long Jupiter stayed in Virgo during the Great Sign, it was on the longer end of a normal human pregnancy, so I think going with the long day count of 294 is probably most appropriate.
There are tons of interesting convergences this year, and I think the likelihood of a Springtime rapture is high. If not, then I can't imagine us not going up before 2018 is over. At any rate, I am offering up March 25, 2018: Annunciation, Palm Sunday, crossing the Jordan into the promised land, long normal pregnancy time frame from Pentecost 2017 as a possible rapture day.
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Post by klb on Feb 22, 2018 10:22:42 GMT -6
Very interesting Bruce! In light of the passing of Billy Graham, does anyone know the exact number of days between the death of Moses and Joshua leading the Israelites across the Jordan? I know they mourned him for 30 days but not sure how long it was between that and going into the promised land.
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Post by Natalie on Feb 22, 2018 10:33:02 GMT -6
Joshua 4:19 The people came up out of the Jordan on the tenth day of the first month, and they encamped at Gilgal on the east border of Jericho.
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Post by bruce on Feb 22, 2018 10:42:52 GMT -6
If I can add one more observation: The Great Sign was on September 23, 2017. If you add six months (365/2 = 182.5 days, round up to 183) you land exactly on March 25, 2018. John the Baptist was a forerunner to Jesus, and he was born 6 months before Jesus. Maybe the Great sign on September 23, like John the Baptist before Jesus, is running ahead of the rapture and/or Tribulation by 6 months. Just a thought.
I really do believe that our God is a God of patterns. I have no doubt that when the rapture does occur, the timing will be significant, and it will be perfect. Maybe it will be March 25, or maybe some other day, but I expect that on the other side we will look back at the patterns and marvel at how brilliantly God timed it all.
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Post by Natalie on Feb 22, 2018 11:03:20 GMT -6
klb - More specifically -- Moses died on the 7th of Adar and they crossed the Jordan on the 10th of Nisan - 33 days. Deut 34:8 they mourned 30 days. Joshua chapter 1 - the Lord tells Joshua to take the people across the Jordan. 1:10-11 Joshua tells the officers to tell the people to be ready in three days to pass over the Jordan to the promised land. The 10th of Nisan is when Passover lambs are chosen.
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Post by bruce on Feb 22, 2018 11:44:28 GMT -6
klb - More specifically -- Moses died on the 7th of Adar and they crossed the Jordan on the 10th of Nisan - 33 days. Deut 34:8 they mourned 30 days. Joshua chapter 1 - the Lord tells Joshua to take the people across the Jordan. 1:10-11 Joshua tells the officers to tell the people to be ready in three days to pass over the Jordan to the promised land. The 10th of Nisan is when Passover lambs are chosen. Adar 7 is today on the Jewish calendar. With all the calendar uncertainty, I consider being within 1 day to be basically a match. Billy Graham passed away yesterday, but today is officially when Jews observe the death of Moses. www.chabad.org/calendar/view/day.asp?tdate=2/22/2018 |
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Post by stormyknight on Feb 22, 2018 12:06:11 GMT -6
but I expect that on the other side we will look back at the patterns and marvel at how brilliantly God timed it all. , Yes, I believe we will! Psalm 5:11 "But let all those that put their trust in thee rejoice: let them ever shout for joy, because thou defendest them: let them also that love thy name be joyful in thee." |
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Post by bruce on Feb 22, 2018 12:15:13 GMT -6
I just found another interesting tidbit. March 25 is exactly 50 days prior to May 14 which on the solar/Gregorian calendar is the date of Israel's 70th Anniversary.
I was looking at Song of Solomon 2 again, pasted below:
8 The voice of my beloved! behold, he cometh leaping upon the mountains, skipping upon the hills. 9 My beloved is like a roe or a young hart: behold, he standeth behind our wall, he looketh forth at the windows, shewinge himself through the lattice. 10 My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away. 11 For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone; 12 The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land; 13 The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away.
If this passage does hint at the rapture, it would seem to suggest a Spring, if not early Spring rapture. In North America we usually consider Springtime to start at the Vernal Equinox which is on March 20th this year so any time after that could be considered Spring. In other Northern Hemisphere countries they consider Spring to start on March 1. Notice also verse 13 that the fig tree puts forth her green figs. If we were to get raptured this springtime, whether March 25 or some other day, that would put us within just days of the 70 year fig tree generation which would seem to match this passage perfectly putting our departure with the bridegroom very close to the full ripening of the fig.
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Post by rt on Feb 22, 2018 12:44:54 GMT -6
As far as date "Guessing" goes, I think most people would agree that the timing of the rapture cannot be "predicted". However what I have witnessed is that even though people are very careful to let everyone know they are merely speculating, the truth is that many latch on to dates and their hope becomes entangled in that speculation, inevitably disappointment follows. So yes speculation is allowable, but is it profitable? Therein lies the question.
I think the answer can be both yes and no. It can be profitable if it leads us to study God's word, and leads us to discover things about prophecy we didn't know before, like the connection to the prescribed feasts and holy days of Israel, and to the constellations among other things. But the answer can also be no, if it causes discouragement among believers and hurts our testimony among non believers. I think we need to honestly weigh the consequences and proceed with caution when it comes to date speculating.
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Post by stormyknight on Feb 22, 2018 15:08:30 GMT -6
bruce, March 26th is also 33 days after Billy Graham's death, if that fits into anything.
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Post by davewatchman on Feb 22, 2018 17:51:16 GMT -6
However, they say an average healthy pregnancy is really 280 days. "It was a night of watching for the LORD to bring them out from the land of Egypt; and so on this night all Israel is to keep the vigil to the LORD for generations to come. I see it debated whether or not the Church should be included in Paul's description of “the Israel of God”. Are we the Israel of God? I use the Firefox browser. Hitting CTRL+F brings up the search box at the bottom. I type "watch" in the box and click the down arrow while viewing Matthew 26 on Bible Hub and watch as the word "watch" is highlighted three times. I just keep hitting it: " watch with me, " watch with me one hour and " watch and pray that you may not enter into temptation. "So, leaving them again, He went away and prayed for the third time, saying the same words again. Three times at Gethsemane in that appointed time of Passover He asked them to watch.    |
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Post by neural on Mar 9, 2018 20:01:42 GMT -6
Hello everyone.  the topic of date setting caught my attention, because it's been on my mind since around July of last year. I *do* believe that we will possibly know just before everything happens, but one thing that bugs me about the date setting is all the numbers that point towards specific times. For example: March 20th. There are videos and diagrams showing how so many other events are 777 days, or 444 days, or 70 years, or 153 days, and so on from March 20th, as well as many other events. It all looks right, but... I kinda had the same conclusion about September 2017. The big question on my mind about all of this is: Why do the numbers work so well, even when the event we think they point to doesn't wind up happening? (side note: I fully understand that Revelation 12:1-2 was fulfilled in September last year, my reference above is in regards to the thinking that the rapture was going to happen as well) |
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Post by davewatchman on Mar 10, 2018 6:31:02 GMT -6
Hello everyone. the topic of date setting caught my attention, because it's been on my mind since around July of last year. I *do* believe that we will possibly know just before everything happens, but one thing that bugs me about the date setting is all the numbers that point towards specific times. For example: March 20th. There are videos and diagrams showing how so many other events are 777 days, or 444 days, or 70 years, or 153 days, and so on from March 20th, as well as many other events. It all looks right, but... I kinda had the same conclusion about September 2017. The big question on my mind about all of this is: Why do the numbers work so well, even when the event we think they point to doesn't wind up happening? (side note: I fully understand that Revelation 12:1-2 was fulfilled in September last year, my reference above is in regards to the thinking that the rapture was going to happen as well) Hello Neural. I agree that we will possibly know, just before something happens. If some of the numbers that we stumbled upon are the correct ones but then nothing happens, then maybe we were just wrong about the event? Where we have been since the tetrads of 2014 and 2015, it may be possible to have the timing right, but to be wrong about the event. My honest thoughts on the Revelation 12 sign is that it's the real deal. But i never thought that 9/23 would be the rapture. I've got date stamped posts on another forum to prove that very early on i said that it was the conjunction between Jupiter and Virgo. That's what the Revelation 12 sign was pointing to. But it's only one end of the tape measure. We need more than one witness to settle a matter. That conjunction marks out a 420 day span, a third of a 1260 day interval, which can be measured from the third moon of the tetrad. Which i suspect is the moon spoken of by the prophet Joel. I will be on red alert again during the Passover/Good Friday/ Easter weekend. Throughout the Bible, God spoke His wrath in thirds. King David defeated the Moabites and made them all lay down on the ground and counted off and killed every two individuals, but spared the third person. Revelation 8's narrative mentions 13 times where destruction comes to a "third'. The Old Testament only ever spoke about three watches in the night. By the time Matthew 14 was written the Jews had adopted the Roman system of dividing the night into four "watches": But when Jesus said: I would tend to think that Jesus was talking about the OT system of three "watches" and not the Roman deal of four. Because when you search it out the first watch in Lamentations just talks about praying for the children starving at every street corner. And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! Are they starving for a famine of the Word? Then Judges 7 talks about the fire still being concealed during the second watch, we had just set that watch. The people are divided into three companies. The empty jars have torches put into them. The fire will be concealed until just like the day that Lot left out from Sodom. The jars are then smashed, signifying the sudden destruction that will occur on that day. As these jars are smashed beyond any hope of repair, so will the nations be shattered beyond all hope of repair. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn. But it's not until the third watch of Exodus 14 and 1Samuel 11 that during "the last watch of the night that the Lord looked down from the pillar of fire, and they were terrified and cried out to the Lord. Just after the Passover in Egypt? And the men were separated into three divisions in Samuel during the last watch of the night and the camp was slaughtered until the heat of the day. And when you overlay the smaller Roman watches on top of the OT three watch system, it points to the idea that He would come to them at some time AFTER the third watch has began. This confirms a delay. The Master is delayed. The word "until" in this verse also seems to create and confirms of a delay: And my favorite, that there would be no more delay:
No More DelaySoon the trumpet will be blowing There is no more time for sowing The fruit is falling from the vine Awake, awake it’s harvest time The night is far spend, the day is at hand Work while you can, do God’s command Take the News of salvation to every land Listen to what the watchmen say Now is the time to watch and pray Day and night and night and day No more delay, no more delay The night is far spend, the day is at hand Work while you can, do God’s command Take the News of salvation to every land It is time for the multitudes to come in For laborers to go out lost souls to win For young and old to forsake their sin For the vats to be filled up to the brim The night is far spend, the day is at hand Work while you can, do God’s command Take the News of salvation to every land Romans 13:12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light. soarwiththeeagle.net/poems/?p=4182Follow the Lamb. Wherever He goes. Peaceful Sabbath. |
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Post by neural on Mar 10, 2018 13:29:23 GMT -6
Ok, that makes sense.
To clarify, while there was a lot of rapture talk about the 23rd, the dates and such that pointed that direction appeared to me to be more about the 21st (the beginning of the feast of trumpets).
Last September wasn't easy for me. The thrill of seeing the sign in person had me quite "amped up" even in August, but then on top of that were some of the suggestions by people regarding the rapture, and ...well, it was difficult to not think there was a chance.
We are getting close, that seems to be sure.
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Post by davewatchman on Mar 10, 2018 14:04:49 GMT -6
Ok, that makes sense. To clarify, while there was a lot of rapture talk about the 23rd, the dates and such that pointed that direction appeared to me to be more about the 21st (the beginning of the feast of trumpets). Last September wasn't easy for me. The thrill of seeing the sign in person had me quite "amped up" even in August, but then on top of that were some of the suggestions by people regarding the rapture, and ...well, it was difficult to not think there was a chance. We are getting close, that seems to be sure. I don't think it made that much sense. But i look around. I scan the forums. I look at the videos. I look for the Renee Moses videos. I'll consider anything up to a flock of light reflecting seagulls. But i don't see any one getting "amped up" right now about anything. There's one girl doing Passover videos. She's talking about two Passovers during passion week. So i email her about it but she's dogmatic about her eschatology. She's not open to discussion. She said to pray on it, meditate on it and it will come. I know that you're right. Most of these forums broke attendance records on 9/22 and 9/23. But the Son of Man will come at an hour that you do not expect. Passover was the only time Old Israel was commanded to watch. With their cloak tucked in and their lions girded. Dressed and with their belt fastened and ready to go. Ready for action. Like Luke 12, “Stay dressed for action and keep your lamps burning, and be like men who are waiting for their master to come home from the wedding feast, so that they may open the door to him at once when he comes and knocks. |
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