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Post by kjs on Feb 14, 2018 12:29:35 GMT -6
First allow me to setup my personal opinion.......
At some point in the future there will be an event that will occur that is known as the Rapture.
This "Great Snatch" (rapture) will involve all "believers" who have died since the time of Jesus Christ raising from the dead up until the happening of this event. It will also involve all "believers" who happen to be alive at the time of this event. All believers will meet Jesus Christ in the sky (clouds) and thus will be the Lord forever more.
This Rapture event will happen BEFORE the time of Jacob's trouble (also known as the tribulation).
Therefore my position is known as Pre-tribulation or Pre-Trib position.
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The entire purpose of this website is NOT to set a specific date or time-frame for when the Rapture will occur. It is simply to allow a place for some speculation of when the Rapture could occur.
Many people were upset -- when Sept. 23, 2017 did not produce the Rapture.
Suddenly, people were selecting other dates -- a week later, a month later, 60 days later, 90 days later .... and none of these additional dates produced the rapture either.
There is soon to be a new date approaching -- that have people clamoring --- this is it this is when the rapture will occur.
That date is of course May 14, 2018 -- which is the 70 anniversary of when Israel became a sovereign nation again.
Hey, do not get me wrong ... I am all in favor of that being the Rapture day.....
BUT, I see NOTHING that say it will definitely occur of this date.....
You wish to do some speculation of when the rapture will occur .... GO right ahead ........
Just make sure you are clear in your remarks .... that you are making a guess.....
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Post by Joecool on Feb 14, 2018 13:02:12 GMT -6
First allow me to setup my personal opinion....... At some point in the future there will be an event that will occur that is known as the Rapture. This "Great Snatch" (rapture) will involve all "believers" who have died since the time of Jesus Christ raising from the dead up until the happening of this event. It will also involve all "believers" who happen to be alive at the time of this event. All believers will meet Jesus Christ in the sky (clouds) and thus will be the Lord forever more. This Rapture event will happen BEFORE the time of Jacob's trouble (also known as the tribulation). Therefore my position is known as Pre-tribulation or Pre-Trib position. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The entire purpose of this website is NOT to set a specific date or time-frame for when the Rapture will occur. It is simply to allow a place for some speculation of when the Rapture could occur. Many people were upset -- when Sept. 23, 2017 did not produce the Rapture. Suddenly, people were selecting other dates -- a week later, a month later, 60 days later, 90 days later .... and none of these additional dates produced the rapture either. There is soon to be a new date approaching -- that have people clamoring --- this is it this is when the rapture will occur. That date is of course May 14, 2018 -- which is the 70 anniversary of when Israel became a sovereign nation again. Hey, do not get me wrong ... I am all in favor of that being the Rapture day..... BUT, I see NOTHING that say it will definitely occur of this date..... You wish to do some speculation of when the rapture will occur .... GO right ahead ........ Just make sure you are clear in your remarks .... that you are making a guess..... My guess is May 15, the day after everyone expects it. Although I wish/hope it will happen sooner. I will admit I have had my hopes dashed on more than one passing date. I have learned it is NOT about the date it IS about The Lord Jesus Christ. I think the important part is not to get wrapped up in specific dates (from what I gather our calender is off anyways), but to realize the season of the rapture is near and draw ever closer to Jesus. |
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Post by Gary on Feb 15, 2018 14:01:25 GMT -6
Hey KJS, I definitely agree with you on this. I've brought people's attention to 5/14 and also Pentecost a week later, but only speculatively—and not necessarily because the rapture will happen that week, but just because it IS a significant period in history with Israel's 70th anniversary.
I think you're spot on though: it is important to watch and ok to speculate, but we all have to be careful that we not PREDICT.
Blessings,
Gary
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Post by stormyknight on Feb 15, 2018 14:56:15 GMT -6
I've kinda wondered myself Joecool about the calender being off, so I leave that for those that know better than me. I do belive that the seven days of the week have always been the same. I don't think the Father would let satan screw that up, ever. I like that those who take the time to calculate days and find significance in the numbers. It is impressive to me and it gives me hope, even when a high watch day comes and goes. It's ok. I know the day is coming. When I posted about the 'obscure Tuesday in February' it was all tongue in cheek, but hey, why not, right? I still got two left this year, haha. Here's hoping! Maranatha, brothers and sisters!!! |
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Post by kjs on Feb 15, 2018 15:29:29 GMT -6
I've kinda wondered myself Joecool about the calender being off, so I leave that for those that know better than me. I do belive that the seven days of the week have always been the same. I don't think the Father would let satan screw that up, ever. I kinda wonder if the "seven days" we currently set as a week -- are in fact the "seven days" of creation week... Meaning Sunday is day 1, Monday is day 2..... For example there are at least two instances recorded in the OT that suggest "time" was either reversed or even actually stopped. I speak of course of the shadow on the Sun dial going back 10 degrees (approximately 40 minutes) and what is known as Joshua's Long Day (where the Sun Stayed in place for around a half a day) I am not God, so I have NO CLUE how it was done but each event suggests a particular day was LONGER than the standard 24 hour day we experience today. If a particular day was LONGER -- does that not suggest another day would need to be shorter -- IF the proper count of days were to be done? Then again that speculation could be all HOGWASH -- since God had the days recorded as "The twilight and the dawn were day one." Could simply mean all "days" must contain a twilight and a dawn -- and as long as they do it represents one day..... |
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Post by sog on Feb 15, 2018 15:36:08 GMT -6
That's going to be a long week for the Folks up in the Great White North. There are some towns up there that see sunlight 24/7 for 50+ days !  |
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Post by stormyknight on Feb 16, 2018 9:46:45 GMT -6
Now, I know ya'll are going to think I'm bonkers here, but bear with me. I'm a Star Wars fan, or rather sci-fi fan, and there is a quote from the third movie of the first trilogy, "Return of the Jedi", that I always pondered when it comes to us humans. "Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view." Obi wan Kenobi, speaking to Luke about the death of his father. Now, we as Christians in the church all have different points of view because of the way we were brought up. And while we all "cling to the truth", there is only ONE truth, our point of view OF that truth depends on our upbringing, and that is where we all begin to have differing OPINIONS on the details that aren't spelled out to us.
OK, so this is TOTALLY speculation, but, I've wondered myself if there wasn't a pause after "In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth". There may be something to the 'day for a thousand years' when it comes to creation, who knows, I don't. Anyway, there are some pretty old 'things' on this Earth. Fossils, geologic formations, even possibly evidence of some intelligently built structures that are older than 6000 years. I'm thinking there could be the possibility that the Earth became "without form and void" because the Father shook it like an Etch-a-Sketch(not literally) so He could start His plan. I'm mean, He knew we were going to need coal and oil and uranium and things like that, so those things needed buried deep in the Earth for us to find. But, they needed to be buried by a logical reason for us to learn how to find them. Do you see what I mean? Like, do your kids play the computer game Minecraft? The ores in that game are just planted in the ground willy-nilly, no logical reason as to where they are. I'm thinking, the Father baked this cake called the Earth for four billion years for a reason, and 6000 years ago the timer went 'ding!'. And then He set about smoothing out the waters here on Earth and finishing creation and making us, whether it was six literal days or another six thousand at that point, I will wait for Him to tell us plainly. Part of my reasoning why there is a break here is that there STILL has been no connection between us humans and any fossilized hominids and that tells me we were PUT HERE! We were created, just like the Word says.
Anyway, just a wild speculation. If you've read this far, thank you for your endurance/patience. Don't worry about me. I'm not completely cemented to this thought, it's just an idea. Back when the Father lead me to His Son, I have been open to new ideas ever since. He will set the record straight. Very soon.
*Yes, sorry for the derailment. please move this to an appropriate thread if you like. I type 'stream of thought' so that is why it may seem to wander away from the thread. It was the 'day for a thousand years' and 'week of creation' on the above posts that started my stream of thought... I paint like this too. haha
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Post by mike on Feb 16, 2018 11:10:20 GMT -6
stormyknight I dont think you are completely bonkers (ok maybe a little  ) but you arent wrong...I would suggest that the "etch-a-sketch" was a part of the grand design, rather than what our humanistic, God denying science has entrenched in our minds. Rather than a pause in the time scale consider cataclysm as the better culprit. Now some of this can be much better understood in this thread in the Apologetics section posted by Stephan a while back. A read through the Earth/Mars wars (or is it Mars/Earth  ) provides some more realistic ways to explain how and why these may have happened rather suddenly rather than over vast periods of time which cant be theorized or proven. EDIT - Not sure how that got in the date setting madness thread? KJS if you want to move this and Stormy's elsewhere plz do so.
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Post by Natalie on Feb 16, 2018 11:32:40 GMT -6
I'm sorry to add to the derailment...but...I am studying energy with two of my kids right now. We just got done studying about coal and oil. Something I learned -- Had there not been a world wide flood to bury all the plant and animals quickly, we would not have reservoirs of oil under the ground to use (that's why they are called fossil fuels).
ETA: and I learned that oil can be created much more quickly than we assume. In a lab, they have actually created oil from plant material.
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Post by witness1 on Feb 16, 2018 13:45:31 GMT -6
That’s fascinating Natalie. And kind of crazy when you really think about it...
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Post by mike on Feb 16, 2018 13:55:29 GMT -6
I'm sorry to add to the derailment...but...I am studying energy with two of my kids right now. We just got done studying about coal and oil. Something I learned -- Had there not been a world wide flood to bury all the plant and animals quickly, we would not have reservoirs of oil under the ground to use (that's why they are called fossil fuels). ETA: and I learned that oil can be created much more quickly than we assume. In a lab, they have actually created oil from plant material. I didnt want to derail more but since you added the edit, that is what the Earth/Mars wars postulates. A cataclysm caused oil to be produced (among other side effects). We've been lied to about it being solely from dinosaurs |
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Post by stormyknight on Feb 16, 2018 14:44:10 GMT -6
I'm sorry to add to the derailment...but...I am studying energy with two of my kids right now. We just got done studying about coal and oil. Something I learned -- Had there not been a world wide flood to bury all the plant and animals quickly, we would not have reservoirs of oil under the ground to use (that's why they are called fossil fuels). ETA: and I learned that oil can be created much more quickly than we assume. In a lab, they have actually created oil from plant material. I didnt want to derail more but since you added the edit, that is what the Earth/Mars wars postulates. A cataclysm caused oil to be produced (among other side effects). We've been lied to about it being solely from dinosaurs right, we have been lied to. and I think a some of it was by omission, either willfully or willingly. And then the masses just go along not catching on that in order to produce that much oil you would have to have a dinosaur population in the order of magnitude thousands of times greater than what the fossil record shows there was. It really comes down to that veil that has been put over the eyes of non-believers, it's not just that they don't believe in the Father and Jesus Christ, but that they wander(occasionally, not always) from the path of reason also. I say this as one who has been there myself. I know my idea that I put forth earlier is/may be far fetched. I don't care. I'm no scholar. I like to dream, maybe because I'm an artist. I look forward to knowing the whole truth of the history of Earth. Where did the name 'Earth' come from? Did you know no one knows? Or at least no culture claims it came up with the name!! I believe it came from the Father. I don't know, I can't point in His Word where He names it other than; "In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth..." Gen. 1:1, but that Hebrew word is eretz which is 'land'. ....hoo boy, here I go again.. sorry |
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Post by sawdy on Feb 16, 2018 23:04:00 GMT -6
That's going to be a long week for the Folks up in the Great White North. There are some towns up there that see sunlight 24/7 for 50+ days ! They also see darkness 24/7 for the same amount of time that the sun doesn't set. I don't think I would mind the long summer sunlight but the darkness (and cold) is too long. My summer sunlight is from about 4:30am-11:30pm. I would like to go north in the summer to see the sun not setting. That would be neat. I would also like to see if the northern lights are really that spectacular farther north. I have seen some pretty good shows at my latitude but apparently they are much better further north. |
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Post by kjs on Feb 20, 2018 9:36:22 GMT -6
stormyknight , mike , @natalie They really were not derailments -- since that all contained questions about "time" or "timing" in them.... so the in a sense are still questioning the "Dates" -- just not rapture dates -- LOL I am not expert, and I am sure I have had the exact same schooling as everyone here .... being taught that the Universe is Billions of years old -- as well as the Earth as having Billions of years as well..... Thing is I have also seen arguments that raise questions on "the years" theory..... Moon moving away from Earth and at current rate of moment -- even a million years would have had moon and earth sharing same space. Loss in Magnetic Field..... Loss in speed of Earth Spin..... River Deltas only prove Thousands of Years / not millions .... There is a list of about twenty some "questions" that while not proving conclusively the age, they raise enough doubts to suggest it is not billions......
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Post by wasp on Feb 20, 2018 22:13:10 GMT -6
Well, I think next May (if we're still here) is going to be another loud round of date-setting. I'm okay with predicting, guessing, up to a point. I guess we all have our standards. But what I tend to ignore are the guesses that have many obscure multiple math factors involved.
An argument in evidence of a sudden catastrophic climate change are the millions of flash-frozen mammoths found in northern Asia and North America. They were found with buttercup flowers and other temperate plants in their digestive tracts. And they had to have been exposed to temperatures of at least 150 below zero to achieve the flash freezing deaths without the accompanying tissue damage.
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) but you arent wrong...I would suggest that the "etch-a-sketch" was a part of the grand design, rather than what our humanistic, God denying science has entrenched in our minds. Rather than a pause in the time scale consider cataclysm as the better culprit. Now some of this can be much better understood in this 
) provides some more realistic ways to explain how and why these may have happened rather suddenly rather than over vast periods of time which cant be theorized or proven.
