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Post by mike on Feb 27, 2018 13:06:03 GMT -6
I'm flexible when it comes to who the 144,000 are, who the 24 elders are, and who the great multitude are. The particulars of each group are fascinating to think about and discuss. I believe that the Bible teaches that all 3 groups are in heaven when the temple in heaven opens. That's my firm position. None of those 3 groups will be on the earth to experience any of the effects of the cloudy day judgments. Just to clarify I believe that the 24 elders = the "ancients" who were raised when Christ rose from the dead and He led captivity captive by emptying out Abrahams bosom. 144,000 = symbolic of the dead in Christ who are raised first at the time of the rapture. Great multitude = those who are alive at the time of the rapture. Again I believe All 3 groups are in heaven when the rapture occurs. But I am flexible as to who they may be. And i'm sure there are layers to the meaning as well. The 144,000 could also be literal as another layer of interpretation. I am open to it. I just believe that they are all in heaven when the cloudy day comes. That's my dogmatic position. Amen. the 24 elders represent all of those raised not 24 specific people, right? Same with the 144,000? and one last question the 'great multitude' are just those who were alive they also include those who passed away in Christ, correct? |
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Post by douwant2go2heaven on Feb 28, 2018 10:51:28 GMT -6
the 24 elders represent all of those raised not 24 specific people, right? Same with the 144,000? and one last question the 'great multitude' are just those who were alive they also include those who passed away in Christ, correct? 1. Yes. I believe the 24 elders are modeled after the Priestly course of the 24 orders that David set up. Thus they represent a group of people, which I believe are those people who Yeshua led back to heaven when He rose from the dead. The 24 elders partake in the opening of the temple in heaven on the cloudy day. In Revelation 5:8 the 24 Elders have golden bowls full of incense which are the prayers of saints. That scene happens before the temple in heaven is opened. In Revelation 8:3 we see the Angel who has a golden censer, come and stand at the Golden altar. He was given much incense to offer. So the question is who gave him the incense? The answer has to be the 24 elders. They were the ones who gave the Angel at the Golden altar incense to offer. Hence why when we see the rapture happen in Revelation 7. The 24 elders don't have their golden bowls full of incense anymore. Remember Revelation 8:1-5 is the scene that takes place right at the moment the temple in heaven is opened. After we read Revelation 8:1-5 we should read Revelation 7:9-17 because that is what takes place when the temple in heaven is opened. Also Revelation 7:1-8 is happening in conjunction with Revelation 8:1-5. It is modeled on what takes place in Leviticus 16. So Revelation 7:1-8 takes place, then Revelation 8:1-5, then Revelation 7:9-17. 2. Yes. I believe that the 144,000 also represent a group of people. The seal of God that they receive is the Holy Spirit. No harm comes to the earth until the full number has been sealed which is represented by 144,000. Once they are all sealed the temple ritual continues with the Angel who is given much incense to offer on the Golden Altar in Revelation 8:1-5 which produces the cloud in heaven and opens the temple. I am also open to the 144,000 representing a literal 144,000 jewish male virgins as well. There are multiple layers to what God does. So that could also be a layer. But in either case the 144,000 are connected to the rapture when the temple in heaven is opened. 3. Yes, the great multitude represents the raptured body of Christ. If the 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 order is being played out in Revelation 7 and 14, then the "144,000" would represent the dead in Christ rising first and the "great multitude" would represent those who are alive and remain at the time of His coming in the clouds.That is just one layer of interpretation IMO. Also it could be as you said. The "great multitude" represents the entire body of Christ, both those who died and who were alive. Thus the "144,000" would have to be another specific group of people, which would probably be a literal 144,000 jewish male virgins who were raptured to heaven. Like I said, I am flexible when it comes to the interpretation of who these groups of people are. The only thing I'm dogmatic about is that the 144,000 and the Great Multitude all appear in heaven when the temple in heaven is opened on the cloudy day. And that day is coming SOON, SOON, SOON! Hallelujah and Amen! |
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Post by douwant2go2heaven on Mar 1, 2018 13:43:14 GMT -6
New video is up that goes over the 2300 days in Daniel 8.
2300 days = 6 years 4 months and 20 days based on the 360 day Hebrew Calender.
When the Temple in Jerusalem is rebuilt and the offerings begin the 2,300 day countdown will begin. The count ends when the sanctuary is cleansed, which happens when Yeshua returns to the earth at the battle of Armageddon.
The video goes over the 7 months and 10 days that are missing from the 2,300 days. When 7 months and 10 days is added to the 2,300 days a full 7 years comes together.
The Bible talks about what happens during the 7 months and 10 days that are missing. Which contains:
1. The cleansing of the land of Israel for 7 months
2. The putting down of 3 of the 10 kings by the Antichrist
3. The rebuilding of the temple; which when completed and the offerings begin will start the 2300 day countdown.
I pray the video will be edifying for the saints and glorifying to King Jesus. Amen.
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Post by mike on Mar 3, 2018 9:39:35 GMT -6
Just listened to this... Thank you brother James!
Lots to consider and study. I know your not dogmatic about everything here and I've not heard the 2300 days (previously) explained the way you have. Most that I've heard refer the 2300 to history past. It does make sense that it fits here soon in near future.
One thing that occurs to me that never did before is the Satan 2 missile. I have thought about WW3 as a piece of the end as many have also. What I've never thought about until you said Jesus will reap with his sickle...a nuke would vaporize people everywhere.
All of us who go missing at the rapture could most easily be explained as morning due to nukes. The alien theory is still plausible but I now consider the nuke one as much more likely.
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Post by douwant2go2heaven on Mar 5, 2018 13:20:57 GMT -6
New Teaching is up! Praise the LORD! God has imbedded another timeline of end time events within Psalm 50-58. Psalm 50 is the rapture chapter, Psalm 51-57 is the tribulation chapters which speak about the Antichrist and False Prophet reign of terror, and Psalm 58 is the final judgment chapter at the end of the 1,000 year reign of Christ. May God be glorified and the saints edified! In Jesus name I pray, Amen!
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Post by douwant2go2heaven on Mar 10, 2018 18:44:48 GMT -6
Shabbat Shalom! Praise the LORD for pouring into me another teaching to share with those who hunger and thirst after righteousness for they shall be filled! Exodus 15 and 2 Kings chapter 2 show a shadow of the rapture and the tribulation period that follows! I pray that God blesses you in Jesus name! Amen!
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Post by douwant2go2heaven on Mar 24, 2018 20:04:43 GMT -6
Blessings to all! New Teaching is up based on Leviticus 8
The consecration of Aaron and his sons in Leviticus 8 is a foreshadow of what happens in heaven when the rapture happens! The church is Consecrated for eternal priesthood at the marriage supper of the lamb! In Leviticus 8 these are the shadows:
The LORD = The Father
Moses = Yeshua. Deuteronomy 18:15-19.
Aaron and his sons = the church/the saints. 1 Peter 2:5, 9
The garments = wedding garments of the bride clean and white. Revelation 19:6-9
The anointing oil = the Holy Spirit. Matthew 25:1-13, 1 JOHN 2:20, 27
Bull for sin offering = 7 seals
2 rams = 7 trumpets and 7 bowls carried by the 7 angels who stand before God.
The ONE basket of 3 different types of unleavened bread made with wheat flour
Exodus 29:2 describes them more fully
-unleavened bread = believing Jews before the 1st coming of Christ
-unleavened cakes mixed with oil = the body of Christ being made into 1 new man since the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ up until the rapture.
-unleavened wafers anointed with oil = tribulation saints who overcome the beast by resisting the mark and not bowing down to the image of the beast. They overcome by the blood of the lamb and by the word of their testimony.
The 7 days that Aaron and his sons were kept in the tabernacle for their ordination as priests is a shadow of the marriage supper of the lamb in heaven where the church will be ordained for eternal priestly service during the 7 years of tribulation. God knows that we have little power, but yet because we keep His word and do not deny His name He will keep us from the hour of trial that is coming on all the earth. The hour of trial is the 7 year tribulation that the church will be kept from, in which the church will be ordained in heaven for priestly service forever at the marriage supper of the lamb/bema seat judgment of Christ!
Leviticus 8 speaks about this. For example:
The church of Philadelphia is made a pillar in the temple of God = Aaron and his sons being in the tabernacle for 7 days and not allowed to go out.
The temple in heaven opens and the cloud fills the temple which prevents anyone from being able to enter the temple until the 7 angels finish their jobs in Revelation 15:5-8 = Aaron and his sons being in the tabernacle for 7 days and not allowed to exit or else they would die in Leviticus 8:33-35
The church of Philadelphia has a new name of God written on them = the golden plate that is put on the turban of Aaron during his consecration ceremony.
Aaron and his sons washed with water = Joshua being washed by the word of the Lord in Zechariah 3 when Satan tried to accuse him.
The washing of Aaron and his sons is the first thing that happens in the ordination ceremony. It parallels the church being washed by the word like John 13:8, Ephesians 5:26, John 3:5, Psalm 51:2 tells us.
The whole ordination ceremony in Leviticus 8 is based upon being cleansed first! Unless the Lord JESUS washes us with His blood, we have no part with Him! Except we are born of WATER and of Spirit we can not see the kingdom of God!
It’s all His work! King Jesus does it all! In Leviticus 8, Moses is a type of Christ. Moses is acting as Christ and performing all the rituals on behalf of Aaron and his sons. The same thing Christ does for us! Christ initiates as we follow His commands!
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Post by douwant2go2heaven on Mar 24, 2018 20:06:16 GMT -6
I preached for shabbat service at my church today based on the Torah portion this week. Teaching starts @18:00 mark. God bless you forever!
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Post by douwant2go2heaven on Apr 7, 2018 10:10:44 GMT -6
Praise the LORD! New teaching is up! God revealed this to me today while I was meditating on Him at the Garden tomb here in Jerusalem at the close of passover. I just had to share it because it was so good. Luke 2:41-50 gives a shadow of the end times. It's amazing how rich the word of God is! Absolutely phenomenal!
Praise the LORD forever! Amen!
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Post by douwant2go2heaven on Apr 22, 2018 17:54:55 GMT -6
Praise God for the opportunity to preach at the church of Yeshua Ha Mashiach today! Got to share a timely prophetic word about the signs of the times, the lateness of the hour we are in, and what type of person ought we to be in lieu of the soon coming of the LORD in the clouds for His bride!
May the LORD bless us forever in Jesus name, Amen!
He's coming soon! Hallelujah!
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Post by venge on Apr 23, 2018 4:32:54 GMT -6
The book of Revelation describes how everything changes on the day that the temple in heaven is opened. John sees the temple in heaven opening from multiple perspectives. And every time he sees it opened more is revealed to him about what happens on that day. John sees the temple open from these 5 points of view: 1. Revelation 4:1-5 = Johns view of the temple opening while on earth. Picture of the rapture. ![]() ![]() 2. Revelation 8:1-5 = Johns view of the temple opening while in heaven. This is Johns view of how the temple in heaven is opened, with the performance of the ritual by the Angel at the Golden Altar that mirrors the earthly shadow done once a year by the high priest in the holy of holies in Leviticus 16. 3. Revelation 11:19 = Johns view of the temple opening with the words "temple in heaven opened" explicitly contained in the vision. 4. Revelation 15:5-8 = Johns view of temple opening and the cloud filling the temple which corresponds to Leviticus 16. Also the 7 angels who stand before God are said to go out of the temple. The 7 angels who stand before God have the 7 trumpets (plagues) and are given the 7 bowls of wrath by 1 of the 4 living creatures upon exiting temple when it is opened. 5. Revelation 16:18-21 = Johns view of the total devastation that comes upon the world when the temple in heaven is opened. There are 5 key elements that occur at the opening of the temple in heaven that manifest on the earth. They are: - Lightning
- Thunder
- Noises
- Hail
- Earthquake
When John is taken to heaven in Revelation 4:1-5 through the open door, he is removed from the earth and taken immediately into the Fathers house. Upon arrival he sees A, B, and C proceeding from the throne. But he doesn't record D and E happening because those judgments occur on the earth. John was "raptured" from the earth and spared the judgments of Hailstones and the world wide earthquake by being sheltered in the Father's house on the day the Temple in heaven is opened. It's not until later in the ongoing Revelation that he sees and records the totality of what happens on the day that the temple in heaven is opened. John is thus seeing the same event from different perspectives and records the same event with the same key elements that appear when the event happens in accordance to his perspective. The LORD has blessed me to do an ongoing teaching series about this event on Youtube. I have illustrations that go over this event so that visual aids can better paint the picture of this monumental event. There are 12 parts up now. I just finished the 12th part today. Here is the link if the LORD leads you to further investigate these things. Amen. Part 1: Newest teaching just done today is Part 12 here: God bless everyone. King Jesus is coming soon! Hallelujah! Just a question: You say Rev 4:1-5 is the picture of the rapture. How can you assert it into the affirmative without anything to back that up? It is only opinion. You could state it is the opinion of some, the opinion of those who hold a pre Trib doctrine....etc. But others that read threads and not the word, will assume this is correct without evidence. And the idea that it is the church has been debated before we were all born and still debated. So we cannot put it as affirmative. Just one position held though there be other positions. |
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Post by venge on Apr 23, 2018 5:06:12 GMT -6
I have never studied the 7 thunders. This looks interesting! I love trying to visualize the throne room. Praise the LORD! One of my prayers for a long time was for the LORD to show me what the 7 thunders were. He has slowly been revealing it now that the end is at hand. And all along the answers were right in the Bible. But only at the appointed time does the revelation and understanding come. This is what the last trump is all about. The last trump is the voice of God that speaks in Revelation 4:1. Which is seen in the last thunder mentioned in Psalm 29. All 7 thunders speak at the same time though. When the cloudy day comes on the day the temple in heaven is opened. It all happens suddenly! In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye! Hence why Jesus comes like a thief in the night! Those who are ready will go to the marriage supper of the lamb, those who aren't will be left behind and/or killed in the judgment of the cloudy day. 1/4 of the worlds population is slated for destruction on the cloudy day. So there's no guarantee that if you are left behind that you will even survive the cloudy day itself. And if that person happens to get swept up in the judgment of the cloudy day they will go to hell because there will be no time for repentance, hence why the 4th horse of death has hades connected to it. This is the beginning of the judgment of God upon a world that has rejected Him. Thus there will be many dead bodies in every place, they shall cast them forth with silence! May we continue to watch and pray for the coming of our King is soon! Hallelujah and Amen! How do we know Psalm 29 is the last thunder??You say it is but how can we know it is. Forgive me but I need scripture to follow that assertion. |
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Post by douwant2go2heaven on Apr 23, 2018 11:17:01 GMT -6
The book of Revelation describes how everything changes on the day that the temple in heaven is opened. John sees the temple in heaven opening from multiple perspectives. And every time he sees it opened more is revealed to him about what happens on that day. John sees the temple open from these 5 points of view: 1. Revelation 4:1-5 = Johns view of the temple opening while on earth. Picture of the rapture. ![]() ![]() 2. Revelation 8:1-5 = Johns view of the temple opening while in heaven. This is Johns view of how the temple in heaven is opened, with the performance of the ritual by the Angel at the Golden Altar that mirrors the earthly shadow done once a year by the high priest in the holy of holies in Leviticus 16. 3. Revelation 11:19 = Johns view of the temple opening with the words "temple in heaven opened" explicitly contained in the vision. 4. Revelation 15:5-8 = Johns view of temple opening and the cloud filling the temple which corresponds to Leviticus 16. Also the 7 angels who stand before God are said to go out of the temple. The 7 angels who stand before God have the 7 trumpets (plagues) and are given the 7 bowls of wrath by 1 of the 4 living creatures upon exiting temple when it is opened. 5. Revelation 16:18-21 = Johns view of the total devastation that comes upon the world when the temple in heaven is opened. There are 5 key elements that occur at the opening of the temple in heaven that manifest on the earth. They are: - Lightning
- Thunder
- Noises
- Hail
- Earthquake
When John is taken to heaven in Revelation 4:1-5 through the open door, he is removed from the earth and taken immediately into the Fathers house. Upon arrival he sees A, B, and C proceeding from the throne. But he doesn't record D and E happening because those judgments occur on the earth. John was "raptured" from the earth and spared the judgments of Hailstones and the world wide earthquake by being sheltered in the Father's house on the day the Temple in heaven is opened. It's not until later in the ongoing Revelation that he sees and records the totality of what happens on the day that the temple in heaven is opened. John is thus seeing the same event from different perspectives and records the same event with the same key elements that appear when the event happens in accordance to his perspective. The LORD has blessed me to do an ongoing teaching series about this event on Youtube. I have illustrations that go over this event so that visual aids can better paint the picture of this monumental event. There are 12 parts up now. I just finished the 12th part today. Here is the link if the LORD leads you to further investigate these things. Amen. Part 1: Newest teaching just done today is Part 12 here: God bless everyone. King Jesus is coming soon! Hallelujah! Just a question: You say Rev 4:1-5 is the picture of the rapture. How can you assert it into the affirmative without anything to back that up? It is only opinion. You could state it is the opinion of some, the opinion of those who hold a pre Trib doctrine....etc. But others that read threads and not the word, will assume this is correct without evidence. And the idea that it is the church has been debated before we were all born and still debated. So we cannot put it as affirmative. Just one position held though there be other positions. Blessings my friend. The evidence is the word of God. The Holy Spirit is our teacher. And those who come to Him like a little child will be fed by Him! Yes, He will teach us great and mighty things that we don’t know when we open our mouths wide so that He will fill it! It’s all His work my friend! He said through the prophet that He will work a work in our days that people will not believe even if they were told it! It’s the day of perplexity according to the prophet! The day when His strange work begins! One will be taken and the other will be left in that day! Many dead bodies in every place and howling in all the highways! God is coming my friend! To render judgment upon a world that Has rejected Him! Those who are ready will be welcomed to the marriage to see the crowning of the King, ordained as eternal priests, and married to our eternal King forever at His marriage supper. Those who aren’t ready will be left behind with the door shut. They will seek a word from the prophets and priests but will not find it! Yes,They will search from sea to sea and from the north to the east for the word of God but will not find it! For God will send a famine in that day! A famine of hearing the words of the Lord! For the night will be upon the land in that day and no one will be able to work! At that time the only way into the kingdom is to literally give your life by resisting the mark of the beast. Amen. |
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Post by douwant2go2heaven on Apr 23, 2018 11:23:38 GMT -6
Praise the LORD! One of my prayers for a long time was for the LORD to show me what the 7 thunders were. He has slowly been revealing it now that the end is at hand. And all along the answers were right in the Bible. But only at the appointed time does the revelation and understanding come. This is what the last trump is all about. The last trump is the voice of God that speaks in Revelation 4:1. Which is seen in the last thunder mentioned in Psalm 29. All 7 thunders speak at the same time though. When the cloudy day comes on the day the temple in heaven is opened. It all happens suddenly! In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye! Hence why Jesus comes like a thief in the night! Those who are ready will go to the marriage supper of the lamb, those who aren't will be left behind and/or killed in the judgment of the cloudy day. 1/4 of the worlds population is slated for destruction on the cloudy day. So there's no guarantee that if you are left behind that you will even survive the cloudy day itself. And if that person happens to get swept up in the judgment of the cloudy day they will go to hell because there will be no time for repentance, hence why the 4th horse of death has hades connected to it. This is the beginning of the judgment of God upon a world that has rejected Him. Thus there will be many dead bodies in every place, they shall cast them forth with silence! May we continue to watch and pray for the coming of our King is soon! Hallelujah and Amen! How do we know Psalm 29 is the last thunder??You say it is but how can we know it is. Forgive me but I need scripture to follow that assertion. God tells us in His word that His voice is like thunder. The 7 thunders that speak in Revelation 10 is when the temple in heaven opens. Hence why every time you see the temple opening in heaven there are “thunders” that come from His throne! The day of the Lord begins (which is when the temple in heaven opens) with the Lord thundering from Mount Zion and uttering His voice from Jerusalem (Yeshua coming on the clouds) which causes the heavens and the earth to shake (hail stones and coals of fire rain down on the earth, 5/6 of Gog and Magog destroyed as well as Babylon the Great). It’s all right there in His word my friend. The Holy Spirit teaches us and guides us into all truth! It’s His work! It’s His word! It’s His plan! Hallelujah! |
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Post by venge on Apr 23, 2018 12:33:00 GMT -6
Just a question: You say Rev 4:1-5 is the picture of the rapture. How can you assert it into the affirmative without anything to back that up? It is only opinion. You could state it is the opinion of some, the opinion of those who hold a pre Trib doctrine....etc. But others that read threads and not the word, will assume this is correct without evidence. And the idea that it is the church has been debated before we were all born and still debated. So we cannot put it as affirmative. Just one position held though there be other positions. Blessings my friend. The evidence is the word of God. The Holy Spirit is our teacher. And those who come to Him like a little child will be fed by Him! Yes, He will teach us great and mighty things that we don’t know when we open our mouths wide so that He will fill it! It’s all His work my friend! He said through the prophet that He will work a work in our days that people will not believe even if they were told it! It’s the day of perplexity according to the prophet! The day when His strange work begins! One will be taken and the other will be left in that day! Many dead bodies in every place and howling in all the highways! God is coming my friend! To render judgment upon a world that Has rejected Him! Those who are ready will be welcomed to the marriage to see the crowning of the King, ordained as eternal priests, and married to our eternal King forever at His marriage supper. Those who aren’t ready will be left behind with the door shut. They will seek a word from the prophets and priests but will not find it! Yes,They will search from sea to sea and from the north to the east for the word of God but will not find it! For God will send a famine in that day! A famine of hearing the words of the Lord! For the night will be upon the land in that day and no one will be able to work! At that time the only way into the kingdom is to literally give your life by resisting the mark of the beast. Amen. Sir, You never answered the question |
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