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Post by venge on Apr 23, 2018 12:35:38 GMT -6
How do we know Psalm 29 is the last thunder??You say it is but how can we know it is. Forgive me but I need scripture to follow that assertion. God tells us in His word that His voice is like thunder. The 7 thunders that speak in Revelation 10 is when the temple in heaven opens. Hence why every time you see the temple opening in heaven there are “thunders” that come from His throne! The day of the Lord begins (which is when the temple in heaven opens) with the Lord thundering from Mount Zion and uttering His voice from Jerusalem (Yeshua coming on the clouds) which causes the heavens and the earth to shake (hail stones and coals of fire rain down on the earth, 5/6 of Gog and Magog destroyed as well as Babylon the Great). It’s all right there in His word my friend. The Holy Spirit teaches us and guides us into all truth! It’s His work! It’s His word! It’s His plan! Hallelujah! I agree when the temple opens thunders are heard. But that does not mean psalm 29 is the 7 thunders of Revelation. If anything, they are not because it was told John do not write what they said. Why would it be in Psalms and John not allowed to write? You still have not showed evidence. |
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Post by douwant2go2heaven on Apr 23, 2018 13:44:41 GMT -6
Blessings my friend. The evidence is the word of God. The Holy Spirit is our teacher. And those who come to Him like a little child will be fed by Him! Yes, He will teach us great and mighty things that we don’t know when we open our mouths wide so that He will fill it! It’s all His work my friend! He said through the prophet that He will work a work in our days that people will not believe even if they were told it! It’s the day of perplexity according to the prophet! The day when His strange work begins! One will be taken and the other will be left in that day! Many dead bodies in every place and howling in all the highways! God is coming my friend! To render judgment upon a world that Has rejected Him! Those who are ready will be welcomed to the marriage to see the crowning of the King, ordained as eternal priests, and married to our eternal King forever at His marriage supper. Those who aren’t ready will be left behind with the door shut. They will seek a word from the prophets and priests but will not find it! Yes,They will search from sea to sea and from the north to the east for the word of God but will not find it! For God will send a famine in that day! A famine of hearing the words of the Lord! For the night will be upon the land in that day and no one will be able to work! At that time the only way into the kingdom is to literally give your life by resisting the mark of the beast. Amen. Sir, You never answered the question I did my friend. The word of God is the evidence. This whole thread is about what the word of God says when the temple in heaven opens. Are you familiar with what happens when the Temple in heaven opens? |
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Post by douwant2go2heaven on Apr 23, 2018 13:50:43 GMT -6
God tells us in His word that His voice is like thunder. The 7 thunders that speak in Revelation 10 is when the temple in heaven opens. Hence why every time you see the temple opening in heaven there are “thunders” that come from His throne! The day of the Lord begins (which is when the temple in heaven opens) with the Lord thundering from Mount Zion and uttering His voice from Jerusalem (Yeshua coming on the clouds) which causes the heavens and the earth to shake (hail stones and coals of fire rain down on the earth, 5/6 of Gog and Magog destroyed as well as Babylon the Great). It’s all right there in His word my friend. The Holy Spirit teaches us and guides us into all truth! It’s His work! It’s His word! It’s His plan! Hallelujah! I agree when the temple opens thunders are heard. But that does not mean psalm 29 is the 7 thunders of Revelation. If anything, they are not because it was told John do not write what they said. Why would it be in Psalms and John not allowed to write? You still have not showed evidence. Because It is the glory of God to conceal things, but the glory of kings is to search things out. Those who diligently seek Him will be filled with knowledge and understanding. For it’s all in His word. Nothing new done under the sun my friend. God hides it all in His word. The Jews stumbled because of this. They had the TaNakH but yet failed to understand what was written concerning the coming of Messiah the first time. Likewise shall it be in our days. Everything is right there in the word but it takes the Holy Spirit to teach us when we have a teachable spirit. It’s all His work my brother! That’s it! That’s all! Amen. |
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Post by venge on Apr 23, 2018 18:15:19 GMT -6
I’m sorry. I know you have good intentions but saying the word of God is the answer and it’s all inside is fine, but I’m asking for scriptural proof. You are not giving any. Just Saying that it’s there and hoping people agree with you does not make it right.
I can say Anything I want about the Bible and then say it’s in the Bible just search for yourself. That does not make it right. Since you made statements and I brought a questions regarding the specific statements, you should be able to back them up without just saying it’s in the Bible. I already asked you about Psalm 29 which you offered no evidence. I asked how you made a statement of opinion and treated it as a fact without any backing and you did not answer it.
I am trying to understand your thoughts and the message but I won’t be lead blind without biblical support. I follow the lamb, not the wolf.
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Post by mike on Apr 23, 2018 18:25:24 GMT -6
Venge, have you listened to his videos from the first one on?
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Post by douwant2go2heaven on Apr 24, 2018 6:39:21 GMT -6
I’m sorry. I know you have good intentions but saying the word of God is the answer and it’s all inside is fine, but I’m asking for scriptural proof. You are not giving any. Just Saying that it’s there and hoping people agree with you does not make it right. I can say Anything I want about the Bible and then say it’s in the Bible just search for yourself. That does not make it right. Since you made statements and I brought a questions regarding the specific statements, you should be able to back them up without just saying it’s in the Bible. I already asked you about Psalm 29 which you offered no evidence. I asked how you made a statement of opinion and treated it as a fact without any backing and you did not answer it. I am trying to understand your thoughts and the message but I won’t be lead blind without biblical support. I follow the lamb, not the wolf. This whole thread is the evidence based solely on scripture. I even made videos that goes line by line, precept upon precept, here a little and there a little through the scriptures to show what God says happens when the Temple in heaven opens; The Lord even used me to detail how the temple in heaven is opened on the cloudy day. Watch the videos if you truly want to know. If you have questions after that I’ll be more than happy to allow the Holy Spirit to use us both to come to a right understand of the truth. Amen. |
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Post by venge on Apr 24, 2018 8:25:39 GMT -6
Venge, have you listened to his videos from the first one on? No. I did not. I read a statement he made. I asked him questions which he did not answer. No video was pointed out. His response lacked anything I can research myself so that I can see where he is coming from. If someone is lost and they have questions, show them scripturally. I am trying to see thru his minds eye but having difficulty |
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Post by mike on Apr 24, 2018 8:32:41 GMT -6
Venge, have you listened to his videos from the first one on? No. I did not. I read a statement he made. I asked him questions which he did not answer. No video was pointed out. His response lacked anything I can research myself so that I can see where he is coming from. If someone is lost and they have questions, show them scripturally. I am trying to see thru his minds eye but having difficulty I understand, but please also understand that the bulk and details are in his videos. I asked early in the string for him to summarize one video. He has continued that for most (if not all) of those which came after. Not watching/listening to the videos could present problems for those trying to understand so I encourage whoever is interested to do just that. |
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Post by mike on Apr 24, 2018 8:37:45 GMT -6
A follow up on this also. None of us has a full, complete or perfect understanding of scripture. Please try to approach others with that in mind as each or any one of us may have had a certain thing revealed which may not mean anything until someone else provides another piece of a puzzle.
Dialogue and asking questions is great and honorable when done in love. Insinuating someone is not following the lamb can be insulting or worse and shouldn't be something we toss out so quickly.
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Post by venge on Apr 24, 2018 10:28:52 GMT -6
A follow up on this also. None of us has a full, complete or perfect understanding of scripture. Please try to approach others with that in mind as each or any one of us may have had a certain thing revealed which may not mean anything until someone else provides another piece of a puzzle. Dialogue and asking questions is great and honorable when done in love. Insinuating someone is not following the lamb can be insulting or worse and shouldn't be something we toss out so quickly. You misunderstood me Mike. I said I follow the lamb, not a wolf. That was not referencing him. I was speaking for myself. It is to say I am careful when approaching biblical things. I follow Gods word, without scripture, I won’t follow. It was not an attack on him, I was defending myself to why I asked for scripture. Brothern do not attack others. We may admonish each other but we are not to fight between each other. |
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Post by douwant2go2heaven on May 8, 2018 12:52:07 GMT -6
Praise the Lord! So much is happening that it’s hard to keep up! I’ve had so much I’ve wanted to share but I just haven’t gotten around to it yet! But with today’s confirmation of president Trump pulling out of the Iran deal, I had to chime in.
The reason is because this is exactly what the Bible said would happen! Iran is the catalyst for the destruction of Babylon the Great that coincides with the rapture of the church!
Just as ancient Babylon was taken by the Medes and Persians, modern day Babylon is led to her destruction by a trap that has to do with Iran. Isaiah 13, 14, 21, 47 and Jeremiah 50-51 speak all about it in the Old Testament.
And what President Trump did today on May 8, 2018 was solidify what is about to transpire. He has angered the nations to the breaking point and now the day of sudden destruction will come! The nations will come from every side and Babylon will be taken and all her bows will be broken!
The taking of Babylon will happen in conjunction with the Gog and Magog war which will coincide with the rapture of the church! It is a day of perplexity according to the prophet Isaiah! A day of treading down and of crying to the mountains (the 6th seal)!
”For it is a day of trouble, and of treading down, and of perplexity by the Lord GOD of hosts in the valley of vision, breaking down the walls, and of crying to the mountains.” Isaiah 22:5
It’s the cloudy day my friends! It’s all about to happen! This is the end! Not much time left! Hopefully I can do a video here soon about some things that God put on my heart! Amen, keep the faith, and God bless! Our King is coming soon! Hallelujah!
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Post by douwant2go2heaven on May 9, 2018 15:42:31 GMT -6
I know my brother and sisters here on Unsealed are well versed in these topics, but God told me to send out a text message to people in my sphere of influence and this was the result today. So I thought it would be a good idea to also post it here. Amen.
"Therefore, Israel will be abandoned until the time when she who is in labor has given birth; then the rest of the ruler's brothers will return to the people of Israel." Micah 5:3
God isn't dealing with Israel until the rapture happens at the day of the Lord! The rapture is the birth of the male child in Revelation 12. Micah says Israel is abandoned until the women gives birth to the male child!
Only after the male child is born will the rest of Israel (all 12 tribes) go back to the land of Israel during the 7 year tribulation. For the tribulation is called “the time of Jacobs trouble” according to the prophet Jeremiah!
Jesus said that the gates of Hell will not prevail against His church! Therefore the church must be taken out of the world in order for the following to be true:
“And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.” Matthew 16:18
But during the tribulation the beast is granted permission to make war with the saints and overcome them!
“It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.” Revelation 13:7
That must mean that God is either:
1. a liar and the gates of Hell will overcome the church by the beast
2. or that the church is gone before the time the beast takes over! Because Jesus said that the gates of Hell will not overcome the church! The saints that are overcome when the beast takes over during the tribulation are those who were left behind and came to faith in the Lord Jesus during the tribulation by resisting the mark of the beast. It’s the only true explanation.
That is why Micah the prophet in Micah 5:3 talks about a birth taking place which will:
A. Cause God to deal with His chosen people again.
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B. initiate the return of the whole house of Israel to the holy land! Meaning all 12 tribes!
The same vision that Micah prophecies about is happening in Revelation 12. The woman gives birth to the man child.
The man child is the church. And Satan tries to devour the man child but he can’t! Why? Because the gates of Hell will not overcome the church!
When The man child is born the man child is caught up to God and His throne! It’s the rapture of the church! The rapture of the body of Christ! Christ is the head and we are His body! We are the man child! United as one! The same rod of iron that the man child is promised to rule with in Revelation 12:5 is the same rod of iron the church of Thyatira is promised to rule with in Revelation 3:26-27!
When the church is raptured at the time the day of the Lord begins, the temple in heaven is opened and we enter into our chambers and are spared from the wrath that comes on the earth during the last 7 years of this age:
“Come, my people, enter your chambers, and shut your doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until the fury has passed by.” Isaiah 26:20
The church of Philadelphia is promised an open door to enter through in order to be kept from time of trouble:
“See, I have set before you an open door...” Revelation 3:8
“Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth.” Revelation 3:10
I’m both the OT and NT we see the same invitation being extended by God in order to be sheltered from a time of great trial that is coming on the earth! Because God doesn’t change, He also did this when the 7th plague of hail fell upon Egypt by giving everyone (Both Israel and the Egyptians) an opportunity to be sheltered from the destroying hailstones and fire!
“18Therefore, at this time tomorrow I will send the worst hailstorm that has ever fallen on Egypt, from the day it was founded till now. 19Give an order now to bring your livestock and everything you have in the field to a place of shelter, because the hail will fall on every person and animal that has not been brought in and is still out in the field, and they will die.’ ”
20Those officials of Pharaoh who feared the word of the Lord hurried to bring their slaves and their livestock inside. 21But those who ignored the word of the Lord left their slaves and livestock in the field.” Exodus 9:18-21
A repeat of history is coming my friends! When the day of the Lord comes suddenly like a thief in the night, hailstones and coals of fire will go before the LORD when He descends on the clouds of heaven to call up His bride (the man child) to meet Him in the air above the clouds!
“From the brightness before Him passed His thick clouds, Hailstones and coals of fire.” Psalm 18:12
Why is all this important? Because a birth is coming! Hallelujah! Just like Micah 5:3 tells us! And Revelation 12:1-2 has already begun!
“1And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth.” Revelation 12:1-2
The great sign in heaven appeared on September 23, 2017. It was a once in human history planetary alignment in the heavens! God told us emphatically in Genesis 1:14 that He uses the sun, moon, and stars for SIGNS!
God said the heavenly bodies were created for 5 specific reasons:
1. To divide day from night
2. SIGNS
3. Moadim. Which mean appointed times!
4. Days
5. Years
So the 2nd most important reason that God made the sun, moon, and stars were to be for signs! God said this in regards to the last days:
“And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves,” Luke 21:25
The signs in the heavens that God has given to this generation are too numerous to count! But out of all the heavenly signs we’ve witnessed thus far God only singled out one of them as being a great sign that would come! And that great sign happened on September 23,2017! That was the sign of the conception of the male child! Now the birth of the male child is about to happen!
Now I’m not setting any dates because God is sovereign and He without a shadow of a doubt tells us no man knows the day or the hour when the day of the LORD will begin! The day of the LORD comes suddenly and in an instant! But He did tell us that we are to be aware of the times and season of His return so that the day of the LORD doesn’t come upon us like a thief in the night!
In 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 our LORD tells us about the rapture. When He physically descends from heaven with the clouds under Him and hail stones and coals of fire going before Him as Psalm 18 describes. That is the day and hour no one knows. When Yeshua comes with a shout, The shout is the Father telling the Son to go and get His bride for the wedding!
The voice of the archangel is Michael the archangel who cries like a lion in Revelation 10 and the 7 thunders utter their voices! It’s when Michael stands up to war with Satan and his angels and great trouble comes on the earth as Daniel 12:1-4 and Revelation 12:7-9 tells us! Michael is also the angel in Revelation 14:15 who comes out of the temple when it is opened and tells the one sitting on the cloud (Yeshua) to thrust in His sickle and reap the earth! It’s the rapture of the church! When the male child is caught up to God and His throne! That’s the harvest of the wheat! The separation of the wheat from the tares! The 5 wise virgins separated from the 5 foolish virgins! When 2 people are in the bed and 1 is taken and the other 1 is left behind!
Daniel 12:1-4 tells us that when Michael stands up the resurrection also occurs! Just like 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 describe! When Yeshua comes with the voice of the archangel the resurrection occurs, but a time of trouble also comes on the earth! The worst time in human history!
The trumpet of God that also accompanies Yeshua when He descends from heaven on the clouds is the last trump! It’s His voice that is like a trumpet! The same voice that is like a trumpet that told John to come up to heaven through the open door in Revelation 4:1:
“After this I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven! And the first voice, which I had heard speaking to me like a trumpet, said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.”
As the voice of the archangel, Michael, cries out in Revelation 10 that there is “no more delay” so too when this all happens, the last trump, which is the voice of Yeshua, will sound in conjunction to call the dead in Christ to rise first and we who are alive and remain will be right behind them in the clouds to meet the LORD in the air!
May we always be ready! For at such an hour as we think not the Son of Man will come! Hallelujah!
FYI:
In human terms a pregnancy is anywhere from 37 weeks to 42 weeks. With 40 weeks being the average.
Statistics say that 4% of women deliver at 280 days (40 weeks). While 70% of women deliver within 10 days of the estimated due date.
From September 23, 2017 we have the following dates:
37 weeks = June 9, 2018 Shabbat
40 weeks = June 30, 2018 Shabbat
42 weeks = July 14, 2018 Shabbat
Not date setting just watching and praying! Hallelujah!
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Post by venge on May 9, 2018 16:26:23 GMT -6
I know my brother and sisters here on Unsealed are well versed in these topics, but God told me to send out a text message to people in my sphere of influence and this was the result today. So I thought it would be a good idea to also post it here. Amen. "Therefore, Israel will be abandoned until the time when she who is in labor has given birth; then the rest of the ruler's brothers will return to the people of Israel." Micah 5:3 God isn't dealing with Israel until the rapture happens at the day of the Lord! The rapture is the birth of the male child in Revelation 12. Micah says Israel is abandoned until the women gives birth to the male child! Only after the male child is born will the rest of Israel (all 12 tribes) go back to the land of Israel during the 7 year tribulation. For the tribulation is called “the time of Jacobs trouble” according to the prophet Jeremiah! Jesus said that the gates of Hell will not prevail against His church! Therefore the church must be taken out of the world in order for the following to be true:
“And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.” Matthew 16:18 But during the tribulation the beast is granted permission to make war with the saints and overcome them!
“It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.” Revelation 13:7 That must mean that God is either: 1. a liar and the gates of Hell will overcome the church by the beast 2. or that the church is gone before the time the beast takes over! Because Jesus said that the gates of Hell will not overcome the church! The saints that are overcome when the beast takes over during the tribulation are those who were left behind and came to faith in the Lord Jesus during the tribulation by resisting the mark of the beast. It’s the only true explanation. That is why Micah the prophet in Micah 5:3 talks about a birth taking place which will: A. Cause God to deal with His chosen people again. And B. initiate the return of the whole house of Israel to the holy land! Meaning all 12 tribes! The same vision that Micah prophecies about is happening in Revelation 12. The woman gives birth to the man child. The man child is the church. And Satan tries to devour the man child but he can’t! Why? Because the gates of Hell will not overcome the church! When The man child is born the man child is caught up to God and His throne! It’s the rapture of the church! The rapture of the body of Christ! Christ is the head and we are His body! We are the man child! United as one! The same rod of iron that the man child is promised to rule with in Revelation 12:5 is the same rod of iron the church of Thyatira is promised to rule with in Revelation 3:26-27! When the church is raptured at the time the day of the Lord begins, the temple in heaven is opened and we enter into our chambers and are spared from the wrath that comes on the earth during the last 7 years of this age:
“Come, my people, enter your chambers, and shut your doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until the fury has passed by.” Isaiah 26:20 The church of Philadelphia is promised an open door to enter through in order to be kept from time of trouble:
“See, I have set before you an open door...” Revelation 3:8
“Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth.” Revelation 3:10 I’m both the OT and NT we see the same invitation being extended by God in order to be sheltered from a time of great trial that is coming on the earth! Because God doesn’t change, He also did this when the 7th plague of hail fell upon Egypt by giving everyone (Both Israel and the Egyptians) an opportunity to be sheltered from the destroying hailstones and fire! “18Therefore, at this time tomorrow I will send the worst hailstorm that has ever fallen on Egypt, from the day it was founded till now. 19Give an order now to bring your livestock and everything you have in the field to a place of shelter, because the hail will fall on every person and animal that has not been brought in and is still out in the field, and they will die.’ ”
20Those officials of Pharaoh who feared the word of the Lord hurried to bring their slaves and their livestock inside. 21But those who ignored the word of the Lord left their slaves and livestock in the field.” Exodus 9:18-21 A repeat of history is coming my friends! When the day of the Lord comes suddenly like a thief in the night, hailstones and coals of fire will go before the LORD when He descends on the clouds of heaven to call up His bride (the man child) to meet Him in the air above the clouds!
“From the brightness before Him passed His thick clouds, Hailstones and coals of fire.” Psalm 18:12 Why is all this important? Because a birth is coming! Hallelujah! Just like Micah 5:3 tells us! And Revelation 12:1-2 has already begun! “1And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth.” Revelation 12:1-2 The great sign in heaven appeared on September 23, 2017. It was a once in human history planetary alignment in the heavens! God told us emphatically in Genesis 1:14 that He uses the sun, moon, and stars for SIGNS! God said the heavenly bodies were created for 5 specific reasons: 1. To divide day from night 2. SIGNS 3. Moadim. Which mean appointed times! 4. Days 5. Years So the 2nd most important reason that God made the sun, moon, and stars were to be for signs! God said this in regards to the last days:
“And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves,” Luke 21:25 The signs in the heavens that God has given to this generation are too numerous to count! But out of all the heavenly signs we’ve witnessed thus far God only singled out one of them as being a great sign that would come! And that great sign happened on September 23,2017! That was the sign of the conception of the male child! Now the birth of the male child is about to happen! Now I’m not setting any dates because God is sovereign and He without a shadow of a doubt tells us no man knows the day or the hour when the day of the LORD will begin! The day of the LORD comes suddenly and in an instant! But He did tell us that we are to be aware of the times and season of His return so that the day of the LORD doesn’t come upon us like a thief in the night! In 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 our LORD tells us about the rapture. When He physically descends from heaven with the clouds under Him and hail stones and coals of fire going before Him as Psalm 18 describes. That is the day and hour no one knows. When Yeshua comes with a shout, The shout is the Father telling the Son to go and get His bride for the wedding! The voice of the archangel is Michael the archangel who cries like a lion in Revelation 10 and the 7 thunders utter their voices! It’s when Michael stands up to war with Satan and his angels and great trouble comes on the earth as Daniel 12:1-4 and Revelation 12:7-9 tells us! Michael is also the angel in Revelation 14:15 who comes out of the temple when it is opened and tells the one sitting on the cloud (Yeshua) to thrust in His sickle and reap the earth! It’s the rapture of the church! When the male child is caught up to God and His throne! That’s the harvest of the wheat! The separation of the wheat from the tares! The 5 wise virgins separated from the 5 foolish virgins! When 2 people are in the bed and 1 is taken and the other 1 is left behind! Daniel 12:1-4 tells us that when Michael stands up the resurrection also occurs! Just like 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 describe! When Yeshua comes with the voice of the archangel the resurrection occurs, but a time of trouble also comes on the earth! The worst time in human history! The trumpet of God that also accompanies Yeshua when He descends from heaven on the clouds is the last trump! It’s His voice that is like a trumpet! The same voice that is like a trumpet that told John to come up to heaven through the open door in Revelation 4:1: “After this I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven! And the first voice, which I had heard speaking to me like a trumpet, said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.”As the voice of the archangel, Michael, cries out in Revelation 10 that there is “no more delay” so too when this all happens, the last trump, which is the voice of Yeshua, will sound in conjunction to call the dead in Christ to rise first and we who are alive and remain will be right behind them in the clouds to meet the LORD in the air! May we always be ready! For at such an hour as we think not the Son of Man will come! Hallelujah! FYI: In human terms a pregnancy is anywhere from 37 weeks to 42 weeks. With 40 weeks being the average. Statistics say that 4% of women deliver at 280 days (40 weeks). While 70% of women deliver within 10 days of the estimated due date. From September 23, 2017 we have the following dates: 37 weeks = June 9, 2018 Shabbat 40 weeks = June 30, 2018 Shabbat 42 weeks = July 14, 2018 Shabbat Not date setting just watching and praying! Hallelujah! Brother, Micah 5:3 imo sir is not speaking of a male child [Jesus]. Verse 2 speaks of Christ. Verse 3 says they won’t accept him therefore he will give them up! When he died at Calvary he gave them up TILL she [Israel] gives forth birth but as you search scripture, the birth brings forth wind. The birth was Israel in 1948 when people flocked to re create it. It was a miraculous birth. Because in verse 5, the man of sin enters. Maybe I missed the explanation? A lot of material I need to digest 😬 |
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Post by douwant2go2heaven on May 9, 2018 17:16:47 GMT -6
Let me break down the context to get some clarity. Here is Micah 5:1-4:
1 Now muster your troops, O daughter of troops; siege is laid against us; with a rod they strike the judge of Israel on the cheek.
2 But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are too little to be among the clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me
one who is to be ruler in Israel, whose coming forth is from of old, from ancient days.
3 Therefore he shall give them up until the time when she who is in labor has given birth; then the rest of his brothers shall return
to the people of Israel.
4And he shall stand and shepherd his flock in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God.
And they shall dwell secure, for now he shall be great to the ends of the earth.
Micah 5:1-2 speaks of Yeshua Ha Mashiach. He was hit with a rod when He was crucified for our sins. His origins from everlasting are given and the place of His human birth was given, which was Bethlehem.
Micah 5:3 goes on to tell us that because Israel rejected their Messiah, He (Yeshua) shall give them (Israel) up.
History tells us that Jerusalem and Judah was destroyed by the Romans in 70AD. There were over a million Jews killed in the destruction and the rest scattered to the 4 corners of the world. But for how long will the giving up of Yeshua's people (Israel) last for? Micah continues by telling us:
"until the time when she who is in labor has given birth"
This is in direct reference to the Great sign in heaven with the woman in labor that gives birth to the male child.
The rebirth of the nation of Israel in 1948 happened before Zion travailed! It happened before she was in labor! It happened before she gave birth! It happened before her pain came (the tribulation)! It happened in 1 day! It happened in one moment! Look at how the prophet Isaiah describes it in Isaiah 66:7-8:
“Before she was in labor
she gave birth;
before her pain came upon her
she delivered a son.
8Who has heard such a thing?
Who has seen such things?
Shall a land be born in one day?
Shall a nation be brought forth in one moment?
So the rebirth of the nation of Israel is something totally different than what Micah 5:3 is talking about. Yeshua likened the rebirth of the nation of Israel to the fig tree. Hence why He told us to learn the parable of the fig tree! Isaiah 66:7-8 tells us about the blossoming of the fig tree that takes place before she goes in labor! It's been 70 years now that the fig tree has been blossoming, the labor of Zion is at hand!
Picking up the prophecy in Isaiah 66:8-9, we now see that this part goes hand in hand with what Micah 5:3 is speaking about. Here we see Isaiah talking about Zion being in labor and bringing forth her children! Zion can only be in labor if she is back in the land of Israel! Zion came back to the land of Israel before she went into labor as we just saw and have witnessed with History confirming that fact.
For as soon as Zion was in labor
she brought forth her children.
9Shall I bring to the point of birth and not cause to bring forth?”
says the LORD;
“shall I, who cause to bring forth, shut the womb?”
says your God.
The children that Zion will bring forth when she is due is:
1. The man child of Revelation 12
2. The whole house of Israel that will be regathered during the time of Jacob's trouble, which happens after the rapture of the man child to God and His throne.
Right now the whole house of Israel is not in the land of Israel! All 12 tribes are not united back in the land of Israel yet! It's only a blossoming right now. Mostly Judah at the moment! But when the birth of the man child comes the tribulation will begin and the whole house of Israel will be united as one!
This is directly connected with the fall of Babylon as well!
4“In those days and in that time, declares the LORD, the people of Israel and the people of Judah shall come together, weeping as they come, and they shall seek the LORD their God. 5They shall ask the way to Zion, with faces turned toward it, saying, ‘Come, let us join ourselves to the LORD in an everlasting covenant that will never be forgotten.’ Jeremiah 50:4-5
The fall of Babylon is of course connected with the cloudy day and the day of the LORD. Jeremiah 50-51 has many OT prophecies about what is to come upon modern day Babylon the Great. The one above is just one such prophecy! Both Israel and Judah go back to Zion when Babylon is destroyed and they join the everlasting covenant which will never be forgotten! That everlasting covenant is the new birth in Yeshua Ha Mashiach! Amen.
Then in Micah 5:4 we see the 2nd coming of Yeshua! The whole plan of God contained in the first 4 verses of Micah 5! God is good! Hallelujah!
I pray that helped. In Jesus name, Amen.
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Post by douwant2go2heaven on May 10, 2018 18:11:15 GMT -6
Exodus 32 is a shadow of the Day of the LORD and the rapture of the church! The context of Exodus 32 is that Moses had gone up to Mount Sinai in order to receive the 10 commandments written on tablets of stone by the finger of God. Exodus 24:18 tells us that Moses went up into the midst of the cloud on Mount Sinai and was there for 40 days and 40 nights.
Moses is a type of Yeshua. Moses freed his people from bondage in Egypt and the Israelites are now journeying to the promised land. Likewise Yeshua freed us from Egypt (the world) by His death, burial, and resurrection. All those who have been set free by the Son are also journeying to the promised land in this wilderness called the world.
Yeshua ascended back up to Mount Zion in heaven in order to prepare a place for all those who love Him! He promised to come back and take us with Him so that we may be where He is at! (John 14:2-3)
Here in Exodus 32 Moses went up to Mount Sinai to receive the instructions for the kingdom. When He had received everything that was written by God on the tablets, God would send him back down in order to teach the people.
Now we get to Exodus 32:1 which says:
“When the people saw that Moses delayed to come down from the mountain, the people gathered themselves together to Aaron and said to him, “Up, make us gods who shall go before us. As for this Moses, the man who brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we do not know what has become of him.”
The shadow being played out in Exodus 32:1 is what has been going on in our days! Many people believe that Yeshua is delayed in His coming and they don’t know what has become of Him! The bridegroom has been delayed in His coming for almost 2,000 years! But didn’t the Bible tell us this would happen?
“Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, and saying, where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” 2 Peter 3:3-4
Even some of the people of God, like Aaron and the children of Israel, have said in their hearts that Yeshua is delayed in His coming!
“45But if that servant says to himself, ‘My master is delayed in coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and get drunk, 46the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces and put him with the unfaithful.” Luke 12:45-46
Like the Israelites long ago, many “believers” today have gone a whoring after other gods and made golden calves because the bridegroom is delayed!
The backslider thinks like this:
Yeshua (Moses) has been on the Mount for so long! We don’t know what’s become of Him! Let me eat and drink! He’s not coming anytime soon!
Truly There Nothing is new under the sun! Thus we see the parallel!
In Exodus 32:7 the Father tells Moses to go down from Mount Sinai and judge the people because they had corrupted themselves! Likewise the Father will one day tell the Son to go down from Mount Zion in heaven and judge the people that have corrupted themselves which will begin the Day of the LORD!
But before Moses goes down to begin the judgement He intercedes for the children of Israel! He pleads with the Father not to destroy all the people for their sin! And the Father agrees not to wipe all Israel out (Exodus 32:14). Likewise Yeshua is our great High Priest who intercedes on behalf of the saints! Even though the cloudy day judgment will bring great destruction to the planet and destroy many people for their idolatry, God will still extend mercy and give grace for those who survived the cloudy day judgment and give all those left behind one last chance to turn to Him by passing the final test of resisting the mark of the beast!
When Moses comes down from the Mountain and smashes the tablets of stone it is a shadow of what happens when the temple in heaven is opened and the cloudy day comes upon the world!
“And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm.” Revelation 11:19
When the temple in heaven is opened judgment comes upon the world! The ark of His covenant is the heavenly reality of the earthly copy! The ark of His covenant is seen by those caught up to heaven and we cry glory to God for He is righteous in judgment (see Revelation 19:1-9)!
But for the earth great destruction comes upon the world because they broke the everlasting covenant! The great hailstorm and great earthquake that comes on the day the temple in heaven is opened is seen in more detail with this following passage of scripture:
1Behold, the LORD will empty the earth and make it desolate, and he will twist its surface and scatter its inhabitants. 2And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the slave, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the creditor, so with the debtor. 3The earth shall be utterly empty and utterly plundered; for the LORD has spoken this word. 4The earth mourns and withers; the world languishes and withers; the highest people of the earth languish. 5The earth lies defiled under its inhabitants; for they have transgressed the laws, violated the statutes,broken the everlasting covenant 6Therefore a curse devours the earth, and its inhabitants suffer for their guilt; therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men are left. 7The wine mourns, the vine languishes, all the merry-hearted sigh. 8The mirth of the tambourines is stilled, the noise of the jubilant has ceased, the mirth of the lyre is stilled. 9No more do they drink wine with singing; strong drink is bitter to those who drink it. 10The wasted city is broken down; every house is shut up so that none can enter. 11There is an outcry in the streets for lack of wine; all joy has grown dark; the gladness of the earth is banished. 12Desolation is left in the city; the gates are battered into ruins.
Throughout the earth the story is the same--only a remnant is left, like the stray olives left on the tree or the few grapes left on the vine after harvest.” Isaiah 24:1-13
Isaiah 24:5 above shows us that the destruction comes because the everlasting covenant was broken! That is why Revelation 11:19 tell us that the ark of Gods covenant is seen in His temple on the day the temple in heaven is opened! The everlasting covenant is contained in the ark of His covenant in heaven! The destruction that comes upon the world is laid out in vivid detail in Isaiah 24!
Isaiah 24:6 says that a curse devours the earth, burns the inhabitants, and only a few people left! The curse that comes to devour the earth is the opening of the 7 sealed scroll that Yeshua opens when He stands up to take the scroll in Revelation 5:6-7
“6And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. 7And he went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who was seated on the throne.”
When the lamb stands up! Everything changes! When the lamb stands up and takes the 7 sealed scroll from the Father the judgements of the end times begin! For remember what Psalm 110:1 tells us:
“The LORD says to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.”
The Son is sitting on the throne until the Father tells Him to go and begin the end time judgments! The moment Yeshua stands up in Revelation 5:6-7 is when the Father has told the Son to go and get your bride as I make your enemies your footstool! Thus we see the curse that devours the earth according to Isaiah 24:6 as being the 7 sealed scroll of Revelation that the lamb takes from the Father and opens up to begin the judgments! We see the 7 sealed scroll released in the Old Testament here:
1Again I lifted my eyes and saw, and behold, a flying scroll! 2And he said to me, “What do you see?” I answered, “I see a flying scroll. Its length is twenty cubits, and its width ten cubits.”3Then he said to me, “This is the curse that goes out over the face of the whole land. For everyone who steals shall be cleaned out according to what is on one side, and everyone who swears falsely shall be cleaned out according to what is on the other side. 4I will send it out, declares the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter the house of the thief, and the house of him who swears falsely by my name. And it shall remain in his house and consume it, both timber and stones.” Zechariah 5:1-4
The flying scroll of Zechariah 5:1-4 is the is the OT picture of the judgments of the 7 sealed scroll of the book of Revelation; which contain the penalties for breaking the everlasting covenant of God! The 7 seals, the 7 thunders, the 7 trumpets, and the 7 bowls of wrath!
That is why we see Moses smashing the tablets in Exodus 32:19! The children of Israel broke the covenant and judgment had to come upon the people! Moses burned the idol, ground it to powder, and made the children of Israel to drink!
The book of Revelation has the same judgement! When the first 3 trumpets sound Fire comes upon the world (hailstones from the clouds that go before Yeshua to cover His brightness lest everyone melt at the sight of Him as Psalm 18 describes), and wormwood comes to the planet that turns the water bitter and many people die because the water is made bitter! It’s the same judgment of the golden calf only on a worldwide level!
But not everybody was judged in the sin of the Golden Calf! There was a tribe spared! And that was the tribe of Levi! They stood with Moses on the day of judgement! Why? Because the tribe of Levi was the tribe of priests! It is a picture of the rapture of the body of Christ when the temple in heaven opens and the judgments begin on the cloudy day!
The church is a kingdom of priests and we stand with Yeshua!
“And you have caused them to become a Kingdom of priests for our God. And they will reign on the earth." Revelation 5:10
Just like the tribe of Levi was a tribe of priests who stood with Moses! It’s a direct correlation! The body of Christ is taken through the open door when the temple in heaven is opened and we are spared from the earth shattering judgments that come upon the planet when Yeshua descends from heaven!
But there will be a remnant left on the earth for the final 7 years. That is why we see the type played out at the end Exodus 32! Moses went back up to the Mount after the judgement of the golden calf to intercede for the people! This pictures Yeshua going back to heaven with His bride after the cloudy day judgement for the last 7 years of this age as He intercedes for the whole house of Israel to return to Him!
We then see that the book of life is mentioned in Exodus 32:32-33. This is a shadow of the final chance God gives the people who are left behind during the Tribulation to be inscribed in the book of life if they turn to Yeshua by accepting Him and refusing the mark of the beast!
Also we see in verse 34 that God promised that there is coming a day when He will visit all those who sinned against Him. This represents the 2nd coming when the kingdom will be set up and Yeshua will visit all sin and deal with it!
Finally we see in Exodus 32:35 that this is a picture of the 7 year tribulation. God will plague the people who are left behind with more judgements! The cloudy day was just the beginning! Isaiah describes the world as being turned upside down on the cloudy day in Isaiah 24, but that was only the beginning of the destruction! Many more plagues will come during the 7 year tribulation which Exodus 32:35 shadows for us!
A couple of notes:
1. When Yeshua comes on the cloudy day He is coming to inspect His vineyard for fruit! Those who are part of His body will be taken with Him back to the Fathers house because we have the only good fruit that God will accept; which is the Holy Spirit that is given to all born again believers! He alone is the One who produces the good fruit! But for those who don’t have any fruit they will either be judged in the cloudy day judgment (1/4th of mankind will die according to the 4th seal) or survive the cloudy day and be left behind alive with 1 last chance to turn to Him.
“6And he told this parable: “A man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came seeking fruit on it and found none. 7And he said to the vinedresser, ‘Look, for three years now I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and I find none. Cut it down. Why should it use up the ground?’ 8And he answered him, ‘Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and put on manure. 9Then if it should bear fruit next year, well and good; but if not, you can cut it down.’” Luke 13:6-9
The parable above is played out in Exodus 32. When Moses broke the tablets that represents 1 year, when he told the people to consecrate themselves today and tomorrow represents the 2 and 3rd year. Then on the 4th year it represents when Moses went back to God at the end of Exodus 32 to plead one last time.
In the end times when Yeshua comes to inspect the fig tree on the cloudy day he will find none! Why? Because the fig tree is blossoming (70 years now) and we are to know that summer is near according to the parable in Matthew 24 that He told us to learn. The nation of Israel has whole heartedly rejected Him and thus will have no fruit on inspection day!
The 1st, The 2nd, and the 3rd year represent the first half of the tribulation where Yeshua will still look for fruit but the majority of those left behind will be under the strong delusion that the antichrist will have over everybody!
The intercession between the Son with the Father represents the midway point of the tribulation when the Mark of the beast occurs and the abomination of desolation happens. That is the final opportunity for those left behind to accept Yeshua. If not they will be cut down as the parable tells us. The last year in the parable represents the last half of the tribulation. The last half of the tribulation is the worst time in human history and those days are cut short less all flesh perish, hence why there is only 1 year given for the fig tree to produce fruit in the parable after the midpoint of intercession! And we know from other scriptures that it will be at the midpoint of the tribulation that many of the house of Israel will finally realize the deception of the antichrist when he declares himself as God and demand worship by bowing down to his image and taking his mark! Those in Judea at that time will flee to the wilderness and be protected from the last half of the tribulation. Amen
Lastly, I know I covered a lot of info. But I have a YouTube page that goes into greater detail about the temple in heaven opening if you want more info. Here goes a link to the first video in the series and you can find the rest on my YouTube page if the Lord so leads you to inquire more diligently:
God bless you and Amen!
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