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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 17:23:19 GMT -6
witness1 , Good response. The Hebrew counting system was inclusive. So, " In the third month of the going out of the sons of Israel from the land of Egypt, in this day they have come into the wilderness of Sinai," would start with the month they left: month 1 - about 13 days remaining month 2 - 30 days month 3 - 17 more days. This is the third month in the Hebrew mindset. But also, I am having a hard time figuring out what is confusing about the law on how to count the weeks: Lev 23:15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: Lev 23:16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD. Lev 23:17 Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD. 7 sabbaths is pretty easy, the next day is the 50th. The morrow after the 7th sabbath. Also, please note the next verse - they would not be able to follow this instruction if it was a month later. These were the first fruits, which would be over ripe a month later. And not ready a month early. The crop nails down the timing. The words themselves are very clear. The third month drives it home. Here is the thing - I do agree that the Rev 12 sign is connected to Pentecost as I placed in my earlier post - but that does not mean that we need to change the day counts to make it real. Even if we want to say something happens on 12/31/17. That can be built on other testimonies if it holds water. But, it does not seem to be able to stand on a Feast of Weeks count. We also begin to dissolve the symbology of the point of the 50 altogether - Grace. Pentecost. This matches the Jubilee 7 groups of seven years, the next year (morrow of the year) is the Jubilee. Once again - Grace. I like the fact that you took to the scriptures to resolve this question witness1 - that is what we are asking of some of the new ideas that have come up lately - taking to scripture to demonstrate the veracity. SK
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Post by sesquipedalian on Nov 29, 2017 17:49:00 GMT -6
I read Exodus 19:1 as a calendar date. The Exodus itself is on the 15th day of the first month, and the arrival at Sinai is the first day of the third month. So that would be about 13 + 28 = 41 days later.
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Post by dennislwatson on Nov 29, 2017 17:51:35 GMT -6
Full disclosure here - I have been part of many "fringe" groups of believers over the years. We have home schooled and home churched for decades. This tends to put us in touch with many people who have "excluded" themselves due to some sense that they are "better." They usually don't mean this in a negative way. We all make choices based on what we feel is our superior wisdom. Dark chocolate is simply better than milk chocolate and if you disagree that is because you don't know as much as I do. Ok that was pure humor. But the point is, that many of the groups I have been involved in, sooner or later, get around to changing the dates of the feasts based on their special interpretation of some scripture, life event, or cloud / tree combination they saw one night. So I have been down this road many times with other good friends. We even saw it here among the watchers when the Sign didn't bring us home. Yet, the testimony of the feasts is pretty well established in history, weather, and celestial events. These are God's appointed times. Now, the rapture, does not have to follow those appointed times. But then let's just talk about the timing of the rapture - and not attempt to change the appointed times. I say all this to show that I may be skewed a bit in my tolerance for changing the way the feasts are determined. I do, very very much - appreciate your zeal, dlw. I just want to help direct it a bit, I suppose. But perhaps that is not my job to do. Then again - isn't that why you submitted your ideas? Of course that is why I post. I want to make sure that the holes that people see are covered. I have not had many holes. I have just had people say they don't agree and many times their opinion is neener neener. But this! This post suggests a hole and with your permission I would like to address it. Wow SilentNight. This is so frustrating. I AM NOT CHANGING THE DATE OF THE INSTITUTION OF PENTECOST. For instance, you suggest I am "changing the way the feasts are determined" I will categorically deny that. The Feast of Pentecost STARTED exactly the way it was supposed to and has been celebrated (incorrectly by the Church by the way) perhaps correctly by the Jews before Jesus for some time I agree for a long time. The Holy Spirit celebrates the institution of Pentecost every day by indwelling new believers. However, information seems to suggest Israel lost their way in the celebration of the feasts somehow. I celebrated the day of Pentecost on June 4th. I thought it might be the rapture. As the sun was going down in Israel that day, I was standing at the grave of my deceased wife because I thought I want to see a resurrection personally. Since the dead are raised first I thought Wow, what a show is coming!!! OK. After an hour I went home. It wasn't till 7 days after November 12th when I realized there is another day I can go to the cemetery! I can't seem to get people here to study up on Pentecost. The Tramm article DOES SCRIPTURE SUPPORT A PENTECOST RAPTURE or the book by Langford THE PENTECOSTAL RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH. Pentecost is unique because it was a divine appointment that started a period of individual divine appointments and some day it has to end. It is an ONGOING FEAST. You are suggesting that it has to end again, on the day of Pentecost. Great you know your Bible. You know what every other Bible student has concluded, you have seen the conclusions of the moderators, and others. Ending Pentecost on the next day of Pentecost will not be 50 days from a RESURRECTION SIGN. The one in Acts 2 was because the RESURRECTION SIGN they had was Jesus' resurrection. That is an expected termination. God said the day would be unexpected. To me that means it will occur at a time that never before would lead to a conclusion that the rapture would be that day. Like 12/31 and this NOT BECAUSE THE DATE IS THE END OF THE GREGORIAN CALENDAR YEAR. But because we had a RESSURECTION SIGN 50 days before. Here is my conclusion. Pentecost has two functions. 1) Conceive the Church, 2) Harvest the Church. Conception and Harvest have two different counts. If you disagree with this statement please copy the whole statement and tell me, I disagree, and move on please. I do want my zeal to be directed anywhere but towards truth. You state: "testimony of the feasts is pretty well established in history" Oh really. When was the last time the rapture of the church occurred? You don't have a history for this and as such NOTHING IS WELL ESTABLISHED. You want a harvest of Pentecost on the day of Pentecost meaning on the day after the 7th Sabbath after Pentecost. That was when it started. We are not waiting for the start of Pentecost. We await the completion. God has a number for that...50 days after the 7th Sabbath. OK. I just refuted your point. Lovingly, biblically, logically, in my opinion, thoroughly, but I am sure you will still say I am messing with the appointed times. I am not. I am using a thorough analysis of THE HARVESTS to bring Glory to God. There has NEVER been a fulfillment of Pentecost. That's the harvest. All I can suggest to you all is "Don't waste a perfectly good RESURRECTION SIGN" You can quote me on that. Blessings Saints. When the harvests of Pentecost occurs, we will rise and shine. I am getting tired and discouraged like Elijah. I need encouragement and I get it from Scripture and so far, no one has shown me my encouragement in God's Word is misplaced. They are not used to looking at Leviticus like this but give them, and you, some time. Dear Lord, Cause your Spirit to enter hearts and encourage them if this is true. Amen. Folks, I really am done for a while. 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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 18:18:07 GMT -6
I read Exodus 19:1 as a calendar date. The Exodus itself is on the 15th day of the first month, and the arrival at Sinai is the first day of the third month. So that would be about 13 + 28 = 41 days later. The day count starts on first fruits - sesquipedalian, not Exodus. Also, it says the third month of having left Egypt. Not the third month of the year. Hope that helps... |
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Post by witness1 on Nov 29, 2017 18:32:18 GMT -6
Your explanation of the counting system makes a lot of sense. However I'm going to keep looking at this... I don't think this one verse in 19:1 disproves that there could be an entire 3 months and not just one month and 2 partial months. The first month could have 29 days remaining, etc. As to how Dennis is suggesting to count the weeks, it's the "Even unto" that is the issue in the KJV. This makes it sound like the count ends the morrow after the seventh sabbath. But the Hebrew word AD (as far as my very brief study tells me) is that it can imply a continuing count. Other translations help a little. My ESV says "You shall count seven full weeks from the day after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering. You shall count 50 days to the day after the seventh Sabbath." If you'll read some of the things I've been reading, I think it actually is suggesting the opposite of what you're saying... that the crop and the first fruits would not be ready until summer. That only 50 days is not enough time for a crop to fully mature (wouldn't that be a beautiful picture of the church age?!). And I should say that I am really attempting to have this conversation prematurely... I have not had the time to really understand this. I've studied astronomy, eschatology, feasts, etc, over the last few months, but agriculture will be a new topic  I'm a homeschooler too, and the only reason I'm having this conversation at all is because it's a beautiful day and we did a short school day and sent the kids outside. So I don't have all the answers yet, but I feel like, for me, it will at a minimum be a fun study in the scriptures, and I feel like God wants me to search this out. I feel late to the game... I only began looking at the end times around the time of the eclipse and am way behind most of you, but I do have a solid Bible background and agree that the scriptures should be elevated above all else. That other day count to 12/31 that was going around drove me insane, and I feel it's unfortunate that Dennis' perspective may get a bad wrap because of it. www.hope-of-israel.org/PentecostWheat.htmlwww.lunarsabbath.info/id4.htmlI mentioned the wine because "new wine" would only have been ready in the 4th month (according to what I've read so far, that is...). I get the fact that they were implying they were drunk. But why throw that in there at all? Why not omit verse 13 entirely? Who cares what the mockers said? What I read says that it is emphasizing the Joel passage that says the wheat and new wine would be ready together, which would not have occurred in the 3rd month. As far as beginning to dissolve the symbology of the point of the 50, I had the opposite thought. What if 2 counts of 50 implies a double measure of grace? Or the fact that Pentecost has 2 parts to it? This doesn't take the "Pente" out of it, it just says to count 50 after counting the 7 sabbaths. It's almost like the jubilee day "50" begins a new count of 50. How cool is that thought?! |
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Post by dennislwatson on Nov 29, 2017 18:42:38 GMT -6
Your explanation of the counting system makes a lot of sense. However I'm going to keep looking at this... I don't think this one verse in 19:1 disproves that there could be an entire 3 months and not just one month and 2 partial months. The first month could have 29 days remaining, etc. As to how Dennis is suggesting to count the weeks, it's the "Even unto" that is the issue in the KJV. This makes it sound like the count ends the morrow after the seventh sabbath. But the Hebrew word AD (as far as my very brief study tells me) is that it can imply a continuing count. Other translations help a little. My ESV says "You shall count seven full weeks from the day after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering. You shall count 50 days to the day after the seventh Sabbath." If you'll read some of the things I've been reading, I think it actually is suggesting the opposite of what you're saying... that the crop and the first fruits would not be ready until summer. That only 50 days is not enough time for a crop to fully mature (wouldn't that be a beautiful picture of the church age?!). And I should say that I am really attempting to have this conversation prematurely... I have not had the time to really understand this. I've studied astronomy, eschatology, feasts, etc, over the last few months, but agriculture will be a new topic I'm a homeschooler too, and the only reason I'm having this conversation at all is because it's a beautiful day and we did a short school day and sent the kids outside. So I don't have all the answers yet, but I feel like, for me, it will at a minimum be a fun study in the scriptures, and I feel like God wants me to search this out. I feel late to the game... I only began looking at the end times around the time of the eclipse and am way behind most of you, but I do have a solid Bible background and agree that the scriptures should be elevated above all else. That other day count to 12/31 that was going around drove me insane, and I feel it's unfortunate that Dennis' perspective may get a bad wrap because of it. www.hope-of-israel.org/PentecostWheat.htmlwww.lunarsabbath.info/id4.htmlI mentioned the wine because "new wine" would only have been ready in the 4th month (according to what I've read so far, that is...). I get the fact that they were implying they were drunk. But why throw that in there at all? Why not omit verse 13 entirely? Who cares what the mockers said? What I read says that it is emphasizing the Joel passage that says the wheat and new wine would be ready together, which would not have occurred in the 3rd month. As far as beginning to dissolve the symbology of the point of the 50, I had the opposite thought. What if 2 counts of 50 implies a double measure of grace? Or the fact that Pentecost has 2 parts to it? This doesn't take the "Pente" out of it, it just says to count 50 after counting the 7 sabbaths. It's almost like the jubilee day "50" begins a new count of 50. How cool is that thought?! Very cool. Especially if Day 1 of the 2nd Count is Day 50 of the 1st Count..Double Blessing...Connected...99 days! Careful Witness1. You may start agreeing with me. And how about this idea, the strangeness of the language may be because after Jesus got the Revelation 12 Resurrection Sign started, the Word thought as He was giving the words to Moses, "You know I am going to have to create some wobble room in this Pentecost thing!" I mentioned something about the "looseness" of this language in my article. As a matter of fact, witness1, may I add that idea into my "14 REASONS..."? The double blessing idea is just superb. Let me know. I won't credit you if you would rather but I would like to credit "witness1" on unsealed.org. I think you mentioned somewhere that double counts are inclusive. I have to hunt that down. Anyway, I believe we are raptured before the AC can track down this information and imprison you. Blessings |
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Post by witness1 on Nov 29, 2017 19:10:43 GMT -6
dennislwatson , You are welcome to add it but don't need to credit me. If this is true, it's God's glory and not mine. I do think it's quite possible that day 1 of the 2nd count is day 50 of the 1st count. I see it connected like the sets of 7 in Revelation... the 7th thing brings the next 7 things. The 50th day brings the next 50 days. I hope you can see that I do agree with you AS LONG AS I can establish something to go off of that we should interpret Leviticus the way you suggest. I'm working on it. But these precious kiddos of mine keep needing things like food and walks and bedtime stories  We'll have to talk some other time about your 14 reasons... I agree with some but not all And, as perhaps your closest ally here I do ask you to be careful with the way your written words come across. Many people are seeking clarity... be charitable with the process! Tone is hard to read in black and white.
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Post by dennislwatson on Nov 29, 2017 19:20:45 GMT -6
dennislwatson , You are welcome to add it but don't need to credit me. If this is true, it's God's glory and not mine. I do think it's quite possible that day 1 of the 2nd count is day 50 of the 1st count. I see it connected like the sets of 7 in Revelation... the 7th thing brings the next 7 things. The 50th day brings the next 50 days. I hope you can see that I do agree with you AS LONG AS I can establish something to go off of that we should interpret Leviticus the way you suggest. I'm working on it. But these precious kiddos of mine keep needing things like food and walks and bedtime stories We'll have to talk some other time about your 14 reasons... I agree with some but not all I get it. I remember the days. It is kind of important that 2 and 8 are critical...until I revise it and I need to. I have had some feedback from posters and I need to separate my separate coincidental "Glory Points" from the strict Biblical narrative points which are a necessary "I agree with this" before one should even consider the others. I will have 7 last. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 19:25:07 GMT -6
Your explanation of the counting system makes a lot of sense. However I'm going to keep looking at this... I don't think this one verse in 19:1 disproves that there could be an entire 3 months and not just one month and 2 partial months. The first month could have 29 days remaining, etc. As to how Dennis is suggesting to count the weeks, it's the "Even unto" that is the issue in the KJV. This makes it sound like the count ends the morrow after the seventh sabbath. But the Hebrew word AD (as far as my very brief study tells me) is that it can imply a continuing count. Other translations help a little. My ESV says "You shall count seven full weeks from the day after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering. You shall count 50 days to the day after the seventh Sabbath." If you'll read some of the things I've been reading, I think it actually is suggesting the opposite of what you're saying... that the crop and the first fruits would not be ready until summer. That only 50 days is not enough time for a crop to fully mature (wouldn't that be a beautiful picture of the church age?!). And I should say that I am really attempting to have this conversation prematurely... I have not had the time to really understand this. I've studied astronomy, eschatology, feasts, etc, over the last few months, but agriculture will be a new topic I'm a homeschooler too, and the only reason I'm having this conversation at all is because it's a beautiful day and we did a short school day and sent the kids outside. So I don't have all the answers yet, but I feel like, for me, it will at a minimum be a fun study in the scriptures, and I feel like God wants me to search this out. I feel late to the game... I only began looking at the end times around the time of the eclipse and am way behind most of you, but I do have a solid Bible background and agree that the scriptures should be elevated above all else. That other day count to 12/31 that was going around drove me insane, and I feel it's unfortunate that Dennis' perspective may get a bad wrap because of it. www.hope-of-israel.org/PentecostWheat.htmlwww.lunarsabbath.info/id4.htmlI mentioned the wine because "new wine" would only have been ready in the 4th month (according to what I've read so far, that is...). I get the fact that they were implying they were drunk. But why throw that in there at all? Why not omit verse 13 entirely? Who cares what the mockers said? What I read says that it is emphasizing the Joel passage that says the wheat and new wine would be ready together, which would not have occurred in the 3rd month. As far as beginning to dissolve the symbology of the point of the 50, I had the opposite thought. What if 2 counts of 50 implies a double measure of grace? Or the fact that Pentecost has 2 parts to it? This doesn't take the "Pente" out of it, it just says to count 50 after counting the 7 sabbaths. It's almost like the jubilee day "50" begins a new count of 50. How cool is that thought?! It apparently doesn't matter anymore. Because, according to his recent post, dennislwatson has been saying not that the first pentecost was on the wrong date, but that the eventual harvest pentecost experience may be calculated from the 99 days while the normal, initiating pentecost was at the standard 50 days. So I no longer have a reason to disagree with this 99 day count being something that would have been in affect during the previous timeframes. I don't mind if he wants to teach that conclusion. It is not something someone can prove or disprove unless we find a confirming or de-firming word from God. But, we know how many days were in the first month, because we know when Passover and first fruits are. But like I said - at this point. it doesn't matter. As you do your study - keep in mind there is winter wheat and summer wheat. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 19:28:40 GMT -6
As far as beginning to dissolve the symbology of the point of the 50, I had the opposite thought. What if 2 counts of 50 implies a double measure of grace? Or the fact that Pentecost has 2 parts to it? This doesn't take the "Pente" out of it, it just says to count 50 after counting the 7 sabbaths. It's almost like the jubilee day "50" begins a new count of 50. How cool is that thought?! I had thought something similar witness1. I was thinking Jubilee plus pentecost = 49+50, resurrection of grace. But, that, unfortunately is not the argument that was being made - at least that would have had something to grab onto. And even that is very much an unverifiable opinion unless the pattern can be seen or shown as being of God. I like the way you think! |
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Post by sesquipedalian on Nov 29, 2017 20:06:16 GMT -6
I read Exodus 19:1 as a calendar date. The Exodus itself is on the 15th day of the first month, and the arrival at Sinai is the first day of the third month. So that would be about 13 + 28 = 41 days later. The day count starts on first fruits - sesquipedalian, not Exodus. Also, it says the third month of having left Egypt. Not the third month of the year. Hope that helps... I was responding to your "month 1, month 2, month 3" calculation, where it looked like you were counting the number of days since Passover (the Exodus), not First Fruits. Additionally, the third month after they left Egypt is the third month of the year, because of Exodus 12:2. Passover occurs in "the first month". |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 20:17:14 GMT -6
The day count starts on first fruits - sesquipedalian, not Exodus. Also, it says the third month of having left Egypt. Not the third month of the year. Hope that helps... I was responding to your "month 1, month 2, month 3" calculation, where it looked like you were counting the number of days since Passover (the Exodus), not First Fruits. Additionally, the third month after they left Egypt is the third month of the year, because of Exodus 12:2. Passover occurs in "the first month". month 1: 14th + 3 days for firstfruits, leaves 13 days remaining in the month (subtract from 30) month 2: 30 days in the next month month 3: does not say they reached on the 1st of the month, just in the third month. We know, based on the day count that it would be 50 at the time of the giving of the law. I agree that the alignment of the 3rd month of the year and the number of passing month would both be three at the point of the discussion... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 20:18:44 GMT -6
I am pulling out of this conversation until such a time as the spirit of the conversation changes. I am not interested in furthering division and the tone is currently one of division, and the topic is almost irrelevant to my current walk with the Lord.
The Lord will make sure we know when we need to know. Perhaps it will be through dennislwatson!
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Post by witness1 on Nov 29, 2017 20:22:34 GMT -6
dennislwatson , You are welcome to add it but don't need to credit me. If this is true, it's God's glory and not mine. I do think it's quite possible that day 1 of the 2nd count is day 50 of the 1st count. I see it connected like the sets of 7 in Revelation... the 7th thing brings the next 7 things. The 50th day brings the next 50 days. I hope you can see that I do agree with you AS LONG AS I can establish something to go off of that we should interpret Leviticus the way you suggest. I'm working on it. But these precious kiddos of mine keep needing things like food and walks and bedtime stories We'll have to talk some other time about your 14 reasons... I agree with some but not all I get it. I remember the days. It is kind of important that 2 and 8 are critical...until I revise it and I need to. I have had some feedback from posters and I need to separate my separate coincidental "Glory Points" from the strict Biblical narrative points which are a necessary "I agree with this" before one should even consider the others. I will have 7 last. Yes, I think people are misinterpreting what you consider "Glory Points" and think you're submitting them as evidence... which in turn makes you feel snubbed when they discount them. |
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Post by witness1 on Nov 29, 2017 20:31:27 GMT -6
Your explanation of the counting system makes a lot of sense. However I'm going to keep looking at this... I don't think this one verse in 19:1 disproves that there could be an entire 3 months and not just one month and 2 partial months. The first month could have 29 days remaining, etc. As to how Dennis is suggesting to count the weeks, it's the "Even unto" that is the issue in the KJV. This makes it sound like the count ends the morrow after the seventh sabbath. But the Hebrew word AD (as far as my very brief study tells me) is that it can imply a continuing count. Other translations help a little. My ESV says "You shall count seven full weeks from the day after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering. You shall count 50 days to the day after the seventh Sabbath." If you'll read some of the things I've been reading, I think it actually is suggesting the opposite of what you're saying... that the crop and the first fruits would not be ready until summer. That only 50 days is not enough time for a crop to fully mature (wouldn't that be a beautiful picture of the church age?!). And I should say that I am really attempting to have this conversation prematurely... I have not had the time to really understand this. I've studied astronomy, eschatology, feasts, etc, over the last few months, but agriculture will be a new topic I'm a homeschooler too, and the only reason I'm having this conversation at all is because it's a beautiful day and we did a short school day and sent the kids outside. So I don't have all the answers yet, but I feel like, for me, it will at a minimum be a fun study in the scriptures, and I feel like God wants me to search this out. I feel late to the game... I only began looking at the end times around the time of the eclipse and am way behind most of you, but I do have a solid Bible background and agree that the scriptures should be elevated above all else. That other day count to 12/31 that was going around drove me insane, and I feel it's unfortunate that Dennis' perspective may get a bad wrap because of it. www.hope-of-israel.org/PentecostWheat.htmlwww.lunarsabbath.info/id4.htmlI mentioned the wine because "new wine" would only have been ready in the 4th month (according to what I've read so far, that is...). I get the fact that they were implying they were drunk. But why throw that in there at all? Why not omit verse 13 entirely? Who cares what the mockers said? What I read says that it is emphasizing the Joel passage that says the wheat and new wine would be ready together, which would not have occurred in the 3rd month. As far as beginning to dissolve the symbology of the point of the 50, I had the opposite thought. What if 2 counts of 50 implies a double measure of grace? Or the fact that Pentecost has 2 parts to it? This doesn't take the "Pente" out of it, it just says to count 50 after counting the 7 sabbaths. It's almost like the jubilee day "50" begins a new count of 50. How cool is that thought?! It apparently doesn't matter anymore. Because, according to his recent post, dennislwatson has been saying not that the first pentecost was on the wrong date, but that the eventual harvest pentecost experience may be calculated from the 99 days while the normal, initiating pentecost was at the standard 50 days. So I no longer have a reason to disagree with this 99 day count being something that would have been in affect during the previous timeframes. I don't mind if he wants to teach that conclusion. It is not something someone can prove or disprove unless we find a confirming or de-firming word from God. But, we know how many days were in the first month, because we know when Passover and first fruits are. But like I said - at this point. it doesn't matter. As you do your study - keep in mind there is winter wheat and summer wheat. I am afraid I am to blame for this misunderstanding. Dennis never said the Acts count was off... I came across that idea in something I read and said it could perhaps validate his interpretation of Leviticus. I was looking to set a Biblical precedent for his idea somehow. I apologize if my attempt at moderating/furthering the conversation actually caused more disunity through misunderstanding. I see that you want to leave the conversation... I respect your opinion and appreciate your thoughts! I think I may follow suit... we would all be wise to sit with this awhile and pray about it. |
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I'm a homeschooler too, and the only reason I'm having this conversation at all is because it's a beautiful day and we did a short school day and sent the kids outside. So I don't have all the answers yet, but I feel like, for me, it will at a minimum be a fun study in the scriptures, and I feel like God wants me to search this out. I feel late to the game... I only began looking at the end times around the time of the eclipse and am way behind most of you, but I do have a solid Bible background and agree that the scriptures should be elevated above all else. That other day count to 12/31 that was going around drove me insane, and I feel it's unfortunate that Dennis' perspective may get a bad wrap because of it. 